The world needs a little more danger: suggestions ahead.

I miss the notorious monsters from FFXI, because fighting was a marvelous challenge...here in FFXIV it's just a FATE that involves no strategy, but it still is kinda fun to just be whacking something. That said, I think when a fate is failed, and that fate includes a notorious monster, that notorious monster should be set loose in that entire zone, making it hard to traverse. You would still have a mount so it's not like it' game breakingly difficult. Ideas?

I aggre FFXI was way more dangerous when you where alone trying to traverse zone of full deadly mobs

This game is just bash anything and keep running

A bit of danger would be welcome in open world areas. More often than not I don't even pause to notice what's hitting me, I just keep going cause I know it can't kill me.
In XI that was what you did when you wanted to blood port.

Some open world NMs, or even just areas that actually have mobs that pose a genuine threat. Areas with levelcap+10~15 mobs that we can explore, and possibly find some random treasure coffers and what not in them. Really anything to add to that excitement when exploring that is just missing now.

I wish that we could get ambushed when running about. Instead of dodging enemies or just running through them Id like to turn a corner and have 20 of them waiting to ambush me.

You guys are gluttons for punishment!

I'd be happy with a mix between FFXI and Current FFXIV, but I don't actually dislike at all how they have it now.

After playing XI for 8ish years, I welcome the freedom to move around the world without having to worry about monitoring sneak/invis or having to worry about true sight mobs.

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Originally Posted by RyioGradion

You guys are gluttons for punishment!

I'd be happy with a mix between FFXI and Current FFXIV, but I don't actually dislike at all how they have it now.

After playing XI for 8ish years, I welcome the freedom to move around the world without having to worry about monitoring sneak/invis or having to worry about true sight mobs.

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I don't think it should be everywhere, but being able to walk into a beastmen "stronghold" and ignore every beastman present while I go to grab a chest or get to a fate spot seems a little ...
... too casual.

For instance, I'm going to get the chest for a relic, I'm getting an item that is for a i80 weapon, why should this not be a spot where I'm actually at risk. So far the only time I even pay attention is if one of them is still attacking me when I get to the chest, and then it's just a few seconds while I kill it. Poof ... done, too easily.

I agree with practically everything here, and I'm not even level 50 yet. As soon as I got my own chocobo, I could easily uncover all the maps; the only thing that would get me occasionally was heavy (I'm a bit squishy as a WHM). I'm still desperately looking for a real challenge. There have been some situations that were mildly challenging; but, as it is, I was more scared as a lv20 in Valkurm Dunes in FFXI than as a lv20 in Coerthas Central Highlands here.

1st make the Grand Companies alignment fall apart, 2 make certain leveling areas PvP /PVE areas. 3) raise the drops in those areas or gil/reward at the same time make the PvP about GCs. 4) no one can loot ur body when u die but they get wolf marks.

I think making some zones more PVP/PVE friendly with better rewards for both type of player would make it more interesting if people want it NOT so safe. The fate grind is a bad example simply cause that part of the game has pretty much dried up and consider all the fates that run 24/7 that no one does. What then ? If you say then the main boss goes and attacks Uld or Lim, or Grand, it sucked- we had that in Warhammer Online and that design was a fun idea but a miserable loooooooong drawn out PvP instance that most grew weary of and just quit.

Start the pvp/pve zones in the 30s just like the arenas. Any that are out of level range should get <sync>'d. Then they would have to creat a standard of matching the best possible gear of that zone to a higher levels "temporary" gear.

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Originally Posted by Cymoril

1st make the Grand Companies alignment fall apart, 2 make certain leveling areas PvP /PVE areas. 3) raise the drops in those areas or gil/reward at the same time make the PvP about GCs. 4) no one can loot ur body when u die but they get wolf marks.

I think making some zones more PVP/PVE friendly with better rewards for both type of player would make it more interesting if people want it NOT so safe. The fate grind is a bad example simply cause that part of the game has pretty much dried up and consider all the fates that run 24/7 that no one does. What then ? If you say then the main boss goes and attacks Uld or Lim, or Grand, it sucked- we had that in Warhammer Online and that design was a fun idea but a miserable loooooooong drawn out PvP instance that most grew weary of and just quit.

Start the pvp/pve zones in the 30s just like the arenas. Any that are out of level range should get <sync>'d. Then they would have to creat a standard of matching the best possible gear of that zone to a higher levels "temporary" gear.

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FFXIV is not open-world PvP based, not will it ever be (Yoshi made that quite clear early on in development that he was wanting to keep PvP separate from the main (PvE) game. And I disagree when people say there's 'no danger' in the world. Switch to a level 1 class (or hell, strip off your fancy DL gear and relic weapon) and walk through the nearest beastman stronghold or Garlean outpost and see how long you last. ;)

I have to agree with Enkidoh this time. Eorzians killing each other? That just seems wrong and goes against everything we played through in the story. I also remember when gamers used to make their own rules and create their own fun and amusement. Beat Zelda 1 without getting the sword? Nuzlocke challenges in Pokemon? How about try beating all the Primals in this game with a team of 4-8 WHMs only?

I may have been raised on older games when I ask, if you beat the game already, what more do you want? (may edit that out later XD)

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FFXIV is not open-world PvP based, not will it ever be (Yoshi made that quite clear early on in development that he was wanting to keep PvP separate from the main (PvE) game. And I disagree when people say there's 'no danger' in the world. Switch to a level 1 class (or hell, strip off your fancy DL gear and relic weapon) and walk through the nearest beastman stronghold or Garlean outpost and see how long you last. ;)

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I was merely offering a suggestion to the Op That would give him the "excitement" that he feels he needs. Fates died with 2.1 which I am glad I got to 50 before it came out. PvP in set zones could give some excitement and give the devs a bit more time to create more stories for all of you to enjoy and CS for me to ESC thru.

I too would love to see some danger in the world, why not a zone area which isn't far off a dungeon in terms of difficulty (but with respawns!) Kind of old school days like EQ1 with The Hole etc. Currently the outside world is just very bland

Definitely no to open world PvP.

There's a difference to "risk of death" and "risk of bored people camping important quest objectives".

Imagining you're a newbie player, ready to go and fight Ifrit, you've heard that after you fight Ifrit, you can join a GC and get your Chocobo. You go to the location designated by the quest, and find 4 level 50 players too bored to do anything but camp low level players. Or make it level 30 and camping the Titan crystal.

With open world PvP, comes people who troll for fun. It would have been fine if this was a skill based "real PvP" game. But no, this is a level based game where a few levels of difference will render you completely useless. In my opinion level-based character development is simply not for PvP designs. But that's off topic.

I think a good design was how WoW had it back before 2.1.

Solo players are able to pick off single targets carefully, avoid patrolling packs, and get their quest objective. Party players can form a party and clear out camps of mobs. Runners that try to get help when low on health could bring back 2 more packs, forcing even a party of 4 players to run for their lives. You are always in danger of dying, but those dangers are 100% avoidable with careful play. It was 100% viable to level solo up to level cap, you just have to pick your targets wisely and be aware of patrols.

In FFXIV? Nothing's linked if you're solo. You can kill Mob A right behind Mob B and B will just sit there gazing at the sky. The open world in FFXIV is simply to safe.

Random encounters/ ambushes would be nice, it would make this game more like final fantasy.
Combine it with Fates would spark more amusing drama. :P

In a MMO I use to play, there was a system that would spawn random mobs of baddies in dark areas (minecraft reference much?), but when a Unique monster aka champion mob (mini boss) appears, a HORD of baddies would spawn and you would have to fight your butt off just to survive or being ganked to death by em. XD But even in big parties hords would spawn as well it was like waring against a huge swarm from hell, was fun while it lasted, till some troll user and his buddies come out of nowhere and nuke ya. XD

hopefully developers are looking at this. at the moment the current areas have all level 49 max mob level correct? in 1.0 i heard they was level 70.

i think you guys are correct, there should be more danger but, we got teleports so even if we die in those noob areas its no biggie you come back .

what we need in the next expansions, where new areas are added, not to add teleports and crytals except maybe to the main towns. add more higher level and dangerous area, etc.

also consider this, having special fates like Odin atm in general area accessbale by teleport is silly because u end up with 200 people in the fate. but maybe we have such special fates in higher level areas more suited to that kind of fate, where you need to travarse through dangerous areas to get their and be commited , instead of just waiting for ur Odin LS to say, odin is up now lets teleport...

There were four main reasons why FFXI had a sense of urgency from random mobs/zones

1) Most classes couldn't even kill a decent challenge/even match without lvl75/37NIN sub or abusing BLM sleep/sleep bolts, or extremely specific, often RMT-worthy expensive gear, or skills not everyone had (Hexa Strike for example)
2) You lost XP on death, with a possible delevel.
3) Soundtrack was extremely immersive.
4)Many of the scary zones were enclosed, possibly claustrophobic, or contained an extremely gloomy/horror atmospheres (Garlaige Citadel, Promathia's, Xarcabard, Tombs, tunnels, etc).

The first mechanic, while it worked for FFXI, will never be implemented in a modern-day MMO. That type of balancing is left to soloplayer games such as Dark Souls.
The second mechanic, while working splendidly to create an atmosphere of emergency and caution, also caused an extreme negative whiplash on endgame content. People constantly deleveling to lvl74 mid-raid, whiny players refusing anything less than a Raise III causing wipe-recovery to take like 15+ mins, having to XP/merit party hours before every raid to stack up XP, losing all merits upon deleveling, having no gear to equip mid-raid because you are level 74, and your gear is REQ. LVL75, etc. There are so many negatives to this its quite sad :(
In my opinion, FFXIV's soundtrack is nowhere near at the level of FFXI's, but thats just me. Even to this day, I still listen to FFXI's soundtrack and transcribe those instrumentals onto guitar/piano so I can play them.
FFXIV's zones are also almost entirely open field. Coerthas, Northern Thanalan, Outer La Noscea, Mor Dhona (these are basically all of the high level zones) are all open field, and don't carry a scary vibe to them. There's no haunted, abandoned mines crawling with undead, ancient demonic castles crawling with high level demons and floating eyes that will eat your face, or haunted crypts that scare the hell out of you the first time you enter them.

FFXI had one of the best atmospheres and soundtracks of any game I have ever played, seen, or heard of, but some of the things that attributed to that atmosphere also contributed to many of the negatives of the game. The first two bullets cannot be implemented in FFXIV without massive losses of subscriptions, the third won't be changed due to a massive amount of work and budget necessities, and the fourth bullet point will not have any effect if the others are not implemented. Face it, a decrepit, yet moving skeleton with no eyeballs readying Hell Slash is not scary when it hits for 150 damage, and there is no EXP loss on death looming in the back of your mind wherever you go.

Edit: Also, there were no mounts in most of these zones and if you aggro'd, mobs would chase you until you zoned out. some AF coffers required level 50-60's to go into level 70+ zones to seek their coffers, and these coffers sometimes took hours, if not days to find. This created an awesome experience, but it also was incredibly slow; if the modern-day MMO player had to go collect a set of AF from old school FFXI, they would probably unsubscribe, cry on forums, then proceed to give the game a terrible rating on review sites. People that respect the kind of game that FFXI was are a very niche, low populated audience. People want fast and easy content, and instant gratification these days. 95% of FFXIV's playerbase would not go afk in Sanctuary of Zi'tah just to listen to the music, or constantly board the Selbina/Mhaura ships to kill pirates for lowbies. They would speedrun themselves to 50 and get discouraged when they had to do limit breaks, then probably unsubscribe when they couldn't one-shot Matt, or ask for nerfs to him until he was trivialized.

Just my 2 cents.