Keep it short, this is just simply unfair to solo queue player.
Level 50 PvP is pretty much all about gear advantage.
So I ended up in level 40 queue and NOW there are group of full +1 relic premade team showing up.
There is no chance a team put together by pure chance that lack of communication and teamwork can beat them.
My solo queue against a premade is at 100% lost ratio.
Those premade team need to GET OUT of solo queue PvP! Yes I mean at level 40.
Please make premade team only able to queue up against with other premade team.
Premade PVP need to have their OWN queue
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12-21-2013, 05:45 PMSushiRicePremade PVP need to have their OWN queue
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12-21-2013, 07:22 PMArmorKing
Odd, I thought the reason there are two 50 pvp queues is because a full group of 4 can ONLY queue with the last option.
Also, is it even possible to premade queue at 40 or 30? In my experience, every time I solo queue'd, I was put up against another team of randoms. Even in a premade of 3, we never faced a full team of 4 premade.
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12-22-2013, 12:57 AMPittThorn
I think you can run a 4 group pre-made on lvl 40-30. I can't remember if it was 3 or 4 lol. but yeah, i agree that there should be a solo pvp queue. it is painfully obvious when you go up against a premade with your randoms XD
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12-22-2013, 03:39 AMEnfarious
they can premade 3 of the 4 slots and queue anywhere. I saw ppl shouting to do this the other night. Leaves 1 /random in their group while facing a group of total randoms, large advantage ...
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12-22-2013, 04:06 AMAlhanelemThe problem here is what if you only have one or two friends to play with? They can't make separate queues for every number of players, that would divide up the players too much and queue times would be way too long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tenku
I wouldn't mind restricting it to 1-2 players only you still dont have control over half your party so I think it's fine. 3 man is too close to being 4 man. -
12-22-2013, 04:09 AMEnfariousI'd tend to agree with this, if 1/2 or more of a party is pre-made they get queued as such. It scales well too, for 8v8 24v24 etc. matches the same general rule can apply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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12-22-2013, 05:36 AMJockAmo
Cowardice at it's finest. It seems the 4v4 que times are even longer now that the majority of the scum figured out how easy it is to prey on the weak.
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12-22-2013, 12:00 PMSapphic
Whilst running pvp matches as 40 WAR I saw more often than not the rest 50s in the party and on the opposite team.
Are 50s running scared of 50 pvp and looking for "easy points" in lvl 40 pvp ques? As most I've been partied with in DF lvl 40 pvp sucked. -
12-22-2013, 12:19 PMZentik
I've thought about this and with any luck they coded the match-making to match groups of 3/2 against eachother first and then fill in with solo players. We don't know exactly how they coded it exactly.
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12-22-2013, 09:23 PMTweedle_deeThis is all kinds of butt hurt, Grow up dude. Maybe you're not as good as you think. I can solo Q just fine, I may not win every game. But least I don't cry when I lose and take it to there forums. It's a game get over it. If 3 Man Pre-mades are kicking your butt make one back.Quote:
Originally Posted by JockAmo
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12-23-2013, 06:12 AMNeofirefly
This is an issue.. teams are trying to gain an advantage against randoms. This is the reason they added the premade category in the first place. ATM people are teaming 3 to try and gain an advantage in lvl 50 pvp. And grouping 4 for the lower lvl pvps.
I am guessing they don't like losing against other 4 man groups that use the same communication they use so they runaway from other premades hoping to fight randoms.
Its to the point I see people shouting to make 3 man premades out of fear of fighting other 4mans and hoping for easy wins against randoms.
Do i want to join your scared 3man? Thanks for the offer but i'll have to pass!! -
12-23-2013, 06:18 AMPSxpert2011
So what is the arena like? Is it an actual area you can explore? Do you just walk in and it's free for all or is it virtually just a duty-finder mechanic?
I had a vision stadium/ coliseum where it's free-for-all, last man standing wins,lol! -
12-23-2013, 09:20 AMAlhanelemYou are only going to encounter randoms in the lv40 runs. You cannot queue for lv50 vs randoms as a 4 man party.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pharacelcus
it's last team standing, and no, it's not an open area. DF only.Quote:
So what is the arena like? Is it an actual area you can explore? Do you just walk in and it's free for all or is it virtually just a duty-finder mechanic?
I had a vision stadium/ coliseum where it's free-for-all, last man standing wins,lol!
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12-26-2013, 08:15 PMJyoeru
Nope. Works as intended.
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12-26-2013, 08:36 PMshadowrell_d-_-b
there are so many rude people on this forum spouting BS at every thread, I agree with the OP and anyone that can't see this is clearly a issue is just trying to ride the gravy train to get easy points on team's that clearly stand no chance against them and shouldn't be matched against them in the first place!
I grinded solo que at lvl50 to get the gear I do have taking wins and losses (no complaint's) and to my experience now at rank 15 pvp every premade group of 3 we faced was significantly harder to deal with (this doesn't mean unbeatable).
still fact remains a premade should be of 2 or 4 ppl in lvl40 or lvl50 pvp (2 at 40 and 4 at 50) with the ability to solo que for any!
stop bashing ppl for posting threads that make sense and should be considered because you want to keep steamrolling under geared players for easy points! -
12-26-2013, 08:42 PMJyoeruSo many assumptions you make. I run solo or with a buddy when I run. I ran in a 3's group and we lost every single fight because we were trying to teach a healer how to PVP... and the fights we lost to were to solo Q runners.Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowrell_d-_-b
IF and only IF there was no requirement for a tank and a healer, this whole idea might work. But as it stands, all it will do is make 5 minute queues turn into 1 hour queues for people like me who want to play with a friend. And, as Ten has pointed out before, there would be a failsafe that would put those people back into your queue anyway to negate the long waits.
The. Idea. Just. Does. Not. Work. And. Doesn't. Need. To. Be. Implemented. Because. You. Can. Run. With. Friends. If. You. Want. To.
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12-26-2013, 08:59 PMJyoeru
I would also like to point out that the complaint of 3m premade injustice is quite a farce on the grounds that it's 3 "coordinated" people vs. 4 "uncoordinated" people. Let's say this is the case. Let's say they make it so only people who solo Q end up in a solo Q pvp match. What then do you propose we do about the PVP trolls (like me) who are better than the average people and can take out 3 inexperienced people with little effort? Those people will be in your Q by the gazillions. The point is, PVP is nearly impossible to balance, and this solution isn't much of a solution due to the queue time punishment premades face, or the injustice solo Q'ers face when dealing with premades--which they will still face because the queue times will have to be balanced.
People in this thread complaining about the current state of PVP are living in some type of inconsolable utopian dream for which there are no provisions to making their reality come true. Further, PVP in this game is a week old. Devs need time to analyze data to determine the best direction to take PVP. It is highly arrogant for any of us, utilizing only our personal observations, to think we have any solution to a problem. None of us are privy to enough data to see what the issues are, and what the solutions could be. Period.
Just chill out and give it a month or two. If you don't like PVP as it is, either form a premade, or take a break from it, and kill cute moogles. -
12-26-2013, 09:09 PMshadowrell_d-_-bthis. was. not. needed. and. just. shows. that. you. are. one. of. the. aforementioned. people. in. this. forum. ( if your doing this for effect you should stop, you look childish not funny or cute)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jyoeru
now to my "assumption's" I seem to have made according to you, I clearly stated that premade GROUPS OF 3 (try this next time you want to stress writing) I faced were "significantly harder to deal with (this doesn't mean unbeatable)." guess you missed that!
I will give you credit as I should have stated that these pre-made's of three have all been fully geared for pvp as opposed to me being the only geared pvp player at times in my random's. (let me be more specific for you as to not make assumptions -_-) nearly 25% of the time I was the only geared pvp player in my random group.
im sorry your experience was bad but mine has my at a 100% win ratio with a 3 premade gear ready group against random's of no gear lvl. we steamrolled them all! and I as a healer have no idea what you would be teaching another healer in PVP? how to Run? how to spot heal? jump maybe? oh I know how to remove de buffs from party members!
-_- No sthap please
so are you just responding to my post to try to look cool? cause you are going need a lot more than that smile emote face my friend. -
12-26-2013, 09:16 PMJyoeruWell, then it sounds like you are a part of the problem you want a solution to. You're telling me that you steamroll in the premades you want dismantled. Okay, fine. Stop running them.Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowrell_d-_-b
Again, PVP is a week old. I doubt it's in its current form for any other reason than to give us PVP and to data mine.
Fine. You. Caught. Me. I. Was. Bored. And. Wanted. To. Be. Cool. I'll. Stahp.
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12-26-2013, 09:41 PMshadowrell_d-_-ball your saying here is that you agree solo que players are at a disadvantage but premade should still que with them due to a longer wait? you can easly just say what you said at the end of this very same post, if you dn't want to wait longer as a premade then que solo which would have significantly faster que, instead you prefer the solo under geared players have to deal with the geared pre-mades and tell them form a pre-made to have a better chance LMAO.....so no solution is your solution?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jyoeru
I myself am not complaining I just agree with the OP as I have seen this issue, and inconsolable utopian dream -_- , its like giving your opinion on a FORUM for opinions is such a stretch for you! the OP stated what they think will help pvp while you stand here giving reason why no action should be taken at all? pvp is broken and does need some work but why would I agree with someone who thinks there is no solution of someone who does?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jyoeru
this is your solution? LOL okQuote:
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how about we just agree to disagree, and you not reply to my post's further it would seem we are too "unbalanced" to come to a "solution" anyway. -
12-26-2013, 09:50 PMJyoeruMore like you think OP's solution is viable. It's not. Because statistics. LOL ROFL AMSKASDASDf and all that discrediting crap you like to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowrell_d-_-b
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12-26-2013, 10:31 PMMegidoIf you have so many friends, why cant you find a third one? Also how do you even have friends if you type like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jyoeru
You actually think this needs to stay like this because sometimes a guy has 2 friends online instead of 1 or 3. Thats what you're arguing right now. The discomfort of that guy having to choose between pvp partners sometime is nothing compared to the solo queuers getting farmed and pvp scrubs getting rewarded.
You do a whole lot of typing in response to a post you havent read. TWO or FOUR man premades would be much better. Afraid of having to wait a little longer against people with less communication? Go solo queue yourself.
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12-26-2013, 10:51 PMJyoeruYou have 3 class types. If premade of 2 enters, they have to wait for exactly one corresponding type to play. Can we get some data that shows how fluid that will be? I don't have it, so I really can't argue that it will be longer queue times. But, I took enough probability and statistics to know that logically, it will be taxing as all get out for anyone wanting to play with a buddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megido
"So, let them find 2 more buddies and make it a 4 man!"
Well, that sounds great on paper. But here's the deal: People complaining about premades as they stand are good enough to destroy any scrub they encounter just about. Several of the people complaining in here admit that they actively "abuse" the three-man system. So, here's what happens: most of these people who are using premades now will end up not doing any premades (or relatively few) because (a) the wait times will most likely be a lot longer, and (b) they won't get to troll newbies. So, what do they do? The same thing they do in any other MMO PVP type game out there: they roll the FOTM class, queue up in the solo queue, and destroy anyone on the other side they can determine is new or incapable.
Statistically speaking, you are likely to end up with at least 2 of these guys in any given group. Bad news for 2/4 players on a team. And, depending on what the FOTM class is and what the other team's comp is, perhaps bad news for them. In other words, you've solved nothing. Those trolls still end up in your queue no matter how you slice it. PVP will remain imbalanced by people who "twink" their toons and steamroll other players. This debate is as old as the internet.
And further more, let's say that they do allow for 2m premades, who have to wait for another 2m premade. Then this team goes up against a 4m premade. Well, that equates to two pugs and 1 team essentially, because both 2m teams are disconnected from vent and premade coordination vs. that 4m premade team. Simply put, all you're doing is moving the premade scandal into the premade queue, and the 2m groups will be on here complaining about that brand of injustice.
If you REALLY want to offer up an idea for "fixing" PVP, then let's look at it like this: This current setup is like arena. We need to have a 10m+ map for solo PVP. That will highly reduce the issues we are facing over the steamrolling 3m premades, because statistically speaking, most people are not going to put together a 10m group to steamroll a 10m solo group. They aren't patient enough to even get a Chimera or Titan group together. So, that will fix it. I guess.
But attempting to modify the current format in any way resolves nothing. Mark my words. If they do it, I will see you back here again a week later complaining about something else like "please make it so someone with 100 wins is forced into PVP with other players with 100 wins waaaaahhhhhhh waaaaahhhhhhh," and "please make it so people with higher iLevel gear are forced into a queue with other players of higher iLevel gear wahhhhhhhhh wahhhhhh."
Been doing this long enough to know your type. You can't even sit down and think about the logistics of what you're asking for, and half of you are abusing the very system you demand be fixed. Makes no sense at all. But, whatever. SE will do as they please, and judging by their lack of entering into discussion on these types of forum posts, they aren't too concerned about this issue, nor y'all's suggestions at all. So, it is what it is.
Now, let's talk about puppies. That'd be more productive.
PS: I *can* form a 4man or 3man group. Not sure where you decided I couldn't except to try and make a cute remark about my hyperbole, like some kind of personal jab. Your jab failed. My feelings aren't hurt. I did that because illogical people frustrate me. Obviously it solves nothing, but sometimes the internet needs a good dose of sarcasm. Get over it!
PSPS: I did read the OP, obviously. I argued against forcing premades of any type into a premade queue. You didn't read my posts, obviously, because I say that I mostly solo queue, and if I do team up, it's with a guy from my FC who also likes to PVP. We certainly aren't doing it to steamroll inadequate players.