Vote Kick Almost Useless

I'm saying this due to FC members having this issue.

The situation:

-They're in CT and get a tank who will just follow them and AFK waiting for treasure
-They vote kick the tank
-They attempt to replace the tank
-The SAME tank comes back, replacing himself (since kicking someone gives 0 wait timer)
-They're stuck with the AFK tank that they can't report (since it's not against TOS to be AFK according to GMs)


They really need to fix this. At least give a 15 minute penalty if you're booted. This will likely happen with any class that has fast / near instant cues (healer, tank).

Yes this needs to be fixed !

Or at least somehow tag a party so that the tank can't rejoin the one that just kicked him, so you don't end up waiting 15 minutes for him to show up again... o.o

Anything would be better than the current behavior.

I agree was doing WP and the healer was being a jerk to the tank, so we vote kicked him only to get him again lol.

That's ridiculous. You should get a debuff timer of like 1 hour if you are kicked. Leaving a dungeon is already 30 minutes, so if you get kicked it's only logical you were being an ass in some way. As such, a longer penalty should be only logical.

CT needs a two hour cool down on people who leave or get voted out. when enough people drop they can screw up the whole run. dont have 2 hours to play through a run dont queue.

15 or 30 mins is no big deal go eat and the timer is over. they should punish you for messing up 23 other peoples time.

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Originally Posted by Insidious

That's ridiculous. You should get a debuff timer of like 1 hour if you are kicked. Leaving a dungeon is already 30 minutes, so if you get kicked it's only logical you were being an ass in some way. As such, a longer penalty should be only logical.

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Oh yes, I'd love to get hit with an hour of downtime because I wanted to watch the cutscenes and someone was too impatient to wait 5 seconds. Wonderful idea, Insidious. Truly, you are a visionary.

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Originally Posted by Insidious

That's ridiculous. You should get a debuff timer of like 1 hour if you are kicked. Leaving a dungeon is already 30 minutes, so if you get kicked it's only logical you were being an ass in some way. As such, a longer penalty should be only logical.

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Or you are being trolled by a pre-made group of three, or their friend is now available to play with them so out you go. The possibility of such is which is why I suspect there's no timer in place. It's not possible to prevent these situations, but adding a flag so you can't get the same party when re-registering would work with all scenarios..

5 min restriction for duty after kick woul fix the thing.

Ok If someone is trolling you that's different. But enforcing a 15min wait on people just because of a select few is unfair. What if some people kicks me from the party because I'm on MNK and their Friend is as well, We both need the same piece of gear and they ask me what I rolled and if I'm going to win they kick me so I should have to wait 15mins Hell No!

There should be another way around giving someone a 15min penalty because they afk and get kicked and come back and afk again.

It is not even fair to others that do not troll. What if I have to take a piss or drop a deuce the kind you cant hold in ^^ I say brb and they kick me because they don't want to wait. Had this happen to a friend last night he said brb someone was at the door and they didn't even give him 2 mins and they kicked him.

Idk what they can do but giving everyone a penalty for being kicked is not fair to everyone.

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Originally Posted by Insidious

That's ridiculous. You should get a debuff timer of like 1 hour if you are kicked. Leaving a dungeon is already 30 minutes, so if you get kicked it's only logical you were being an ass in some way. As such, a longer penalty should be only logical.

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For real? Because someone gets kicked they should have a one hour penalty. WTH if someone shows up to a AK/WP run without a relic/good enough gear and the other people say nope you got to go. Chance are they wont get a relic member but still.

this is another very good reason.

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Originally Posted by DarkStar

Oh yes, I'd love to get hit with an hour of downtime because I wanted to watch the cutscenes and someone was too impatient to wait 5 seconds. Wonderful idea, Insidious. Truly, you are a visionary.

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LOL 1hour penalty.....

Vote to kick has been great for getting out of groups without having to deal with the 30 minute penalty.

Sometimes when there isn't a tank for a party, I just leave and instantly get right back in when I switch to tank class. It's easy to reenter a party. Thus, vote kick needs to "blacklist" the party for that player when they're booted.

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Originally Posted by DarkStar

Oh yes, I'd love to get hit with an hour of downtime because I wanted to watch the cutscenes and someone was too impatient to wait 5 seconds. Wonderful idea, Insidious. Truly, you are a visionary.

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Then what do you suggest or have to offer that doesn't involve being snide or rude?

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

Or you are being trolled by a pre-made group of three, or their friend is now available to play with them so out you go. The possibility of such is which is why I suspect there's no timer in place. It's not possible to prevent these situations, but adding a flag so you can't get the same party when re-registering would work with all scenarios..

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I like this idea the best. Just a flag that prevents you from re-entering the same members is brilliant.

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Originally Posted by Arkista

Ok If someone is trolling you that's different. But enforcing a 15min wait on people just because of a select few is unfair. What if some people kicks me from the party because I'm on MNK and their Friend is as well, We both need the same piece of gear and they ask me what I rolled and if I'm going to win they kick me so I should have to wait 15mins Hell No!

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Kicking someone for that reason is griefing and reportable. They'll likely be suspended, so there's that.

A Timer would suck, sometimes people get kicked for unjust reasons like "Man this guys gear sucks, lets get a new one"... etc. If they do it via timer, it should be short, like 5 minutes or something. Nothing to high.

They just need to make it so the party doing the kicking doesn't get the same person back.

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Originally Posted by Insidious

That's ridiculous. You should get a debuff timer of like 1 hour if you are kicked. Leaving a dungeon is already 30 minutes, so if you get kicked it's only logical you were being an ass in some way. As such, a longer penalty should be only logical.

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Not true.

Someone came to my front door, and before i could even type AFK/BRB the DPS pulled, and killed everyone, sure enough they complained i should have tanked. (When i needed to hurry to the door before they leave)

Sure enough, they wouldnt have anything to do with it, so they started fighting. We vote kicked them, and sure enough the other DPS started fighting as well, but the healer had to go, and was replaced. The new healer, not knowing the situation, decided to join him in vote kicking me. (being in the middle of the argument, and not having heard what started the fight.)

So, my crime was having to answer the front door, and his was starting fights because they caused a wipe.

Vote kick gets abused enough as it is. There's no reason to extend it past 30mins.

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Originally Posted by Noahlimits

Kicking someone for that reason is griefing and reportable. They'll likely be suspended, so there's that.

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Though it says punishable, its never actually caused anyone to be punished.

Someone from another LS i know abuses it before the last boss (refusing to add members) to get drops.
They never got suspended yet. (Even ppl in his LS report him.)

There should be a 5 minute penalty. Or at least not be able to join the party you were just kicked from for a few minutes.

A vote to kick should be a vote to ban from that group, you don't need to lock someone out of DF just ban them from that particular instance.

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Originally Posted by Noahlimits

Kicking someone for that reason is griefing and reportable. They'll likely be suspended, so there's that.

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So I still get kicked and have to eat the 15min penalty? I don't care if they get suspended. That's not the point there are more than enough reasons not to implement a 15min penalty for getting kicked. If anything they can add a 1min timer so that your "POS tank" doesn't have a chance to get back in.

what if i want to leave and not take penalty?

i dont want to wait till someone leave

Vote kick is good if someone being an asshole I agree!. But what if let's say 4 people are in DF and 3 of them have great gear and the other guy is new, they as a group of 3 think hmmm doing a run with this guy is going to be slow lets vote kick him. If you make it so people are locked out because they are vote kicked!. Then what about that poor guy who did nothing wrong apart from being new?.

Don't forget about the people ALREADY abusing this "Vote to Kick" so their buddies can lot stuff. Having already READ about this happening since the patch was released on the forums, a friend of mine was booted last night so he couldn't 'need' a piece of gear he was wanting that dropped so their tank could 'greed' it...

EDIT: this happened in Crystal Tower

When you vote kick in CT, does the entire alliance vote or just your party?

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

When you vote kick in CT, does the entire alliance vote or just your party?

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As far as I aware of, its your party.

So(how does the vote-kick work again??) if I'm captain of my team aka team-leader, am I to follow democracy to kick some douche-bag by:
1- selecting kick party-member= opening the option to the rest of the party to kick said member?
2- Wait for all party-members to "kick" the selected member to be kicked by: "kick member from party?"?
3- Party member is then kicked and ejected from the dungeon? ...

LOL< WEIRD_OUT SE! YOU BLOW MY MIND!! XD

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I /VOTE for dungeons to be open and not instanced.

I mean, not restricted to just parties but at-least level-capped. That way you can KICK someone and wait for someone new(excluding the one you just kicked).

The problem with instanced dungeons is, they're linked to the "Duty-Finder" and if someone is ejected from a instanced(but doesn't leave), same person can return.

SE has the tendency to resolve problems which creates new ones. MMOs are basically social games(it's everyones game) and sometimes you have to pull punches and deal with them.

Only thing i dont agree with is the wait timer not everyone gets kicked because they are afk some people get kicked because the other 3 or whatevr are part of the same FC and dont want that job or you say something that displeases one of them

getting kicked for no reason then having to wait 15 minutes will upset alot of people i know we all want to think the best but this stuff does happen.

They need to allow Alliance to vote kick.

But of course, classic SE, never think a system through, just implement and forget.

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Originally Posted by Arkista

It is not even fair to others that do not troll. What if I have to take a piss or drop a deuce the kind you cant hold in ^^
For real? Because someone gets kicked they should have a one hour penalty. WTH if someone shows up to a AK/WP run without a relic/good enough gear and the other people say nope you got to go. Chance are they wont get a relic member but still.

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I almost dropped a deuce laughing after reading this.

Again, anything is better than how it's set up now.

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Originally Posted by Noahlimits

Again, anything is better than how it's set up now.

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They can add a 1min cool down and that should stop any tank/healer from getting back in. As for DD I don't really see that happening since we get 30min+ queues. If anything 3mins at the most.