Current BIS for Bard

What is the current BIS for bard now that we have new items introduced?

What new items ?

Allagan Bow
Allagan Visor
Bard's Shirt
Bard's Gloves
Hero's Belt
Allagan Pants
Allagan Boots
Allagan Necklace
Hero's Earrings
Inferno Bangle
Hero's Ring
Vortex Ring

HQ Deviled Eggs

482 Acc 555 Crit 244 Det 412 Skill Speed

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Best set I've found so far while tweaking pieces at http://www.ariyala.com/ffxiv/gear.html , but requires two T5 drops, two T4 drops, and the EM Ifrit loot.

Switch your bard head gear to allagan visor and tremor earrings to hero's

(Fresh lvl50 bard here) I have a few questions to the seasoned bards here. First what would be the better bow between the Artemis Zenith or Elfin bow? Secondly i just hit 50 what would be the biggest upgrade for bard from AF armor?

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Originally Posted by Ranzan

(Fresh lvl50 bard here) I have a few questions to the seasoned bards here. First what would be the better bow between the Artemis Zenith or Elfin bow? Secondly i just hit 50 what would be the biggest upgrade for bard from AF armor?

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Forget Zenith, you can actually settle with Artemis Bow, or better yet, Titan Bow, then crawl your way upto Allagan Bow or Elfin Bow.

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Originally Posted by Lecreuset

Switch your bard head gear to allagan visor and tremor earrings to hero's

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Great catch!

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Originally Posted by Ranzan

(Fresh lvl50 bard here) I have a few questions to the seasoned bards here. First what would be the better bow between the Artemis Zenith or Elfin bow? Secondly i just hit 50 what would be the biggest upgrade for bard from AF armor?

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Regular Artemis Bow is enough to get you through the endgame raid just fine.

Max your Grand Company rank and get the lv 55 bow from there. Grind out your Darklight gear immediately, and don't forget to get your weekly piece of Crystal Tower gear! If you grind your tomes for Darklight in Haukke Manor and Copperbell Mines hard modes, you can get some lv 60 pieces to fill in until you have the darklight. After you have full darklight (any darklight piece is replaceable with the Crystal Tower loot) and your GC bow, start doing your relic quest. After that, you're ready to start raiding.

For myth purchases, the BIS piece you can get from myth are listed above, any of those are fine purchases.

Why would you take the Vortex Ring when you can penta-meld an HQ Gryphonskin? On mine, I put VIT IV, 2x Savage Aim III, 2x Savage Might III. That gives my ring

DEX 9
Accuracy 12
Skill Speed 9
VIT 8
Crit 12
Det 8

I would have thought the loss of 4 DEX is more than offset by gaining a point of Crit and 8 points of Determination. Plus, the 12 Accuracy on this allows me to take better choices in other slots, like Bard's Chapeau over Allagan Visor of Aiming. Now, I'm gaining another 6 points of Crit without sacrificing any accuracy (I'm actually still up 6 points of Accuracy). I haven't played around too much with the other slots, but HQ Gryphonskin still seems to be a BiS to me.

4 Dex 7 SkSp > 7 Crit 8 Det, and BIS list has no wasted accuracy. Vit is 100% negligible considering the amount of HP you have in full 90 + allagan weapon.

Isn't Skill Speed an almost wasted stat, though, because we have animation delay on almost everything? It'd be one thing if animations were sped up based on your skill speed, but I didn't think that was the case. You can only get so fast in this game.

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Originally Posted by CatholicFan

I would have thought the loss of 4 DEX is more than offset by gaining a point of Crit and 8 points of Determination. Plus, the 12 Accuracy on this allows me to take better choices in other slots, like Bard's Chapeau over Allagan Visor of Aiming. Now, I'm gaining another 6 points of Crit without sacrificing any accuracy (I'm actually still up 6 points of Accuracy). I haven't played around too much with the other slots, but HQ Gryphonskin still seems to be a BiS to me.

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Stats weight wise, Suppose DEX = 1, DET would be about ~0.22 which means 1 DEX is about 4-5 DET. 4 DEX is about 16-20 DET.

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Originally Posted by Prinster

Stats weight wise, Suppose DEX = 1, DET would be about ~0.22 which means 1 DEX is about 4-5 DET. 4 DEX is about 16-20 DET.

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This right here is the reason why. You would need a far larger gain in Crit and dtr to offset the 4 dex of Vortex. This goes into factoring the projected reset of blood letter also where the 1 crit difference is not even noticeable to the possibility of reset frequency. You need roughly +10-15 for it to be favorable in projected equations, even then you're looking at better gains with static increase over projected increase in the long run unless you're counting upwards of a +30 crit gain in one slot, or over all, without loss of dex in any other slot or dropping under accuracy cap.

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Originally Posted by Sachiko-Chan

my BiS
elfin bow
allagan visor of aiming
bard's shirt
bard's ringbands
heroe's belt of aiming
bard's tights
allagan sollerets of aiming
ultima choker of aiming
inferno bangle of aiming
Tremor Earrings of Aiming
gryphonskin ring HQ (with 1x vitality IV, 2x Savage aim III,2x savage might III
gryphonskin ring HQ (with 1x vitality IV, 2x Savage aim III,2x savage might III
+ acc buffood 27 (lava toad legs HQ)



487 dex
468 acc
573 crit
295 det
359 skillspeed
405 vit

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Your accuracy is too low. Turn 5 accuracy cap is 482, which you don't want to drop under.

i know it, we have a bard with 468 and its enough acc.. 98 or 99% is rly enough u can change the bard legs with allagan legs, but u lose 9 crit u will have 475 acc, with other buffood, (black truffle risotto)

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Originally Posted by BrandoH

Allagan Bow
Allagan Visor
Bard's Shirt
Bard's Gloves
Hero's Belt
Allagan Pants
Allagan Boots
Allagan Necklace
Hero's Earrings
Inferno Bangle
Hero's Ring
Vortex Ring

HQ Deviled Eggs

482 Acc 555 Crit 244 Det 412 Skill Speed

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Best set I've found so far while tweaking pieces at http://www.ariyala.com/ffxiv/gear.html , but requires two T5 drops, two T4 drops, and the EM Ifrit loot.

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With Lecreuset's suggestions this is the best set I've come up with as well. Perfect T5 accuracy cap and a great amount of crit. Definitely one of the harder sets to attain given the T5/Ifrit loot, but again, almost certainly the best set we can put together.

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Originally Posted by BrandoH

but requires two T5 drops, two T4 drops, and the EM Ifrit loot.

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Just a quick comparison, the quoted set gives:

224 DEX
121 ACC
185 CRIT
42 DET
87 S.Spd

Mine:

222 DEX
123 ACC
182CRIT
67 DET
50 S.Spd

I am sacrificing 2 points of DEX for 25 points of DET. I prioritize CRIT followed by DET, while largely ignore Skill Speed. I have 3 points of CRIT lower but 3 points doesn't matter, I have 2 points of ACC. Of course this set, like the original set, would need food that boosts accuracy since it is a little shy of the +131 acc required from gears.

If anyone is interested, mine is easier to obtain since I need less Allagan drops (3 less drops)

Allagan Bow
Bard's Chapeau
Bard's Shirt
Bard's Ringbands
Hero's Belt of Aiming
Bard's Tights
Allagan Sollerets of Aiming (T4)

Ultima's Choker of Aiming
Tremor's Earrings of Aiming
Inferno's Bangle of Aiming
Hero's Ring of Aiming
Allagan Ring of Aiming (T5)

As I've been thinking about this today, I realized there's a problem with this setup. It's basically built around 482 accuracy, a number which is only relevant in Coil Turn 5. So, to use Turn 5 drops when achieving that number is faulty thinking, at best. The only point of having this setup is to farm Turn 5, but if a player already has everything a person needs out of Turn 5, the only point of this set is to help your FC mates achieve their BiS setups (which, in turn, will be redundant after a while).

We can probably safely assume that whatever Coil content comes out next will have different accuracy requirements, and so what makes much more sense for this thread is to suggest a BiS setup for clearing Turn 5. IF you're going to build a BiS setup for whatever comes next, 482 likely won't be enough.

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Originally Posted by CatholicFan

We can probably safely assume that whatever Coil content comes out next will have different accuracy requirements, and so what makes much more sense for this thread is to suggest a BiS setup for clearing Turn 5. IF you're going to build a BiS setup for whatever comes next, 482 likely won't be enough.

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Currently, BC T5 is the most difficult battle even compared to EX primals and there is no movement in stat cap. Even if T6 and more comes in 2.2 and beyond, I believe the accuracy cap will not change too much. There will be probably i95/i100 gears dropping from T6 onwards so gears giving more accuracy should come. There are also accuracy food to use though, that would make food crafting slightly more relevant and it's "cheaper" to use food now since you don't lose the effect after dying.

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Originally Posted by Parks

With Lecreuset's suggestions this is the best set I've come up with as well. Perfect T5 accuracy cap and a great amount of crit. Definitely one of the harder sets to attain given the T5/Ifrit loot, but again, almost certainly the best set we can put together.

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No reason to run Coil once you have all that. Heh

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

No reason to run Coil once you have all that. Heh

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The achievement. :3 But the goal is to be the max possible stats before 2.2

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Originally Posted by BrandoH

The achievement. :3 But the goal is to be the max possible stats before 2.2

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I'm slowly but surely inching towards perfection. Unfortunately my server is slow when it comes to progression so Ifrit wrists probably won't happen for a bit. On the bright side, I'm sitting at 575 critical hit rate with food and maintaining the needed accuracy for T5 which I'm still going to need since my FC is slow to clear it. I still wonder how high I will have to take my stats just to be able to make 2 star foods a worthwhile investment.

I've read somewhere that there are reports where a Bard with 472 acc doesn't miss anything in T5.

You miss RARELY with 472 in T5. To hit the 99.99% cap, you need 473 + Devilled Eggs (482).

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Originally Posted by BrandoH

You miss RARELY with 472 in T5. To hit the 99.99% cap, you need 473 + Devilled Eggs (482).

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Deviled Eggs gives,
NQ = +8 ACC
HQ = +10 ACC

Actually, if you check the percentage numbers, HQ give only 9 ACC at 472. Or, 9.44 if you want the specific number, not enough to round up to the full 10. 473, on the other hand, gives 9.46, adding up to 482.46, which rounds down to 482.

I've seen a few different interpretations for stat weights, is there a definitive version of what the dex equivalent is for crit, det, and weapon damage?

Also, people seem very concerned about the acc cap, and most classes I've played in other games require hitting cap to max DPS too - but I've seen a few exceptions as well where the mechanics of a certain class make the rare miss less of a dps loss than turning down an offensive upgrade that dips you slightly below. Have the theorycrafters ruled on this one yet? To me it seems that bards - without combos, all instant casts, fairly quick hits for lighter damage - could be an exception (for SLIGHTLY below cap, mind you) but what do I know? (not much)

Given the RNG in accuracy, hitting the max is absolutely crucial, or your performance will not be up to par on all attempts.

The numbers are really hard to get very specific, but ACC has pretty much no weight after your cap. So assuring that you hit 473, you can ignore it as a stat. Weapon damage is the most important stat, having something like an 8 DEX weight. Crit and Det, for raw damage numbers as a stat, are really close at around 4-5 CRIT/DET : 1 DEX. However, given the trait River of Blood, CRIT takes a priority. Skill Speed is negligible right now, as you can't really shave more than .2s off your GCD. It definitely has an effect on DPS, though.

So you want the Allagan Bow, the sheer stat weight on it is far too high for the 90 bows to compare. The rest of your pieces obv need to be i90 for the raw DEX weight. The itemization isn't awful, so it comes down to stacking as much crit as you can get.

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Originally Posted by BrandoH

Actually, if you check the percentage numbers, HQ give only 9 ACC at 472. Or, 9.44 if you want the specific number, not enough to round up to the full 10. 473, on the other hand, gives 9.46, adding up to 482.46, which rounds down to 482.

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Ahh. Yeah, just tested it myself as I have 472 ACC atm with my current setup, only gives 9 ACC.

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Originally Posted by Thorauku

Ahh. Yeah, just tested it myself as I have 472 ACC atm with my current setup, only gives 9 ACC.

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Yeah, I wish HQ gave 3%. But whatever, the 1 point between 481 and 482 is so miniscule.

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Originally Posted by Thorauku

I've read somewhere that there are reports where a Bard with 472 acc doesn't miss anything in T5.

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This is correct, farming T5 for awhile now you will not miss 1 shot on "Twintania" with as low as 471acc. However you will miss 1-2% on Asclep which requires 480 acc to be 100% no miss. I will continue to drop my Acc on Twin slowly to see how far I can push down my acc stat before missing my first shot on Twin. My numbers are from over well over 30hours on Twin. @work so no ss to show stats/numbers.

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Originally Posted by Muugen

This is correct, farming T5 for awhile now you will not miss 1 shot on "Twintania" with as low as 471acc. However you will miss 1-2% on Asclep which requires 480 acc to be 100% no miss. I will continue to drop my Acc on Twin slowly to see how far I can push down my acc stat before missing my first shot on Twin. My numbers are from over well over 30hours on Twin. @work so no ss to show stats/numbers.

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Doesn't seem to be a make / break scenario if it's only 1-2% as you'll most likely need to kill the snakes with Limit Break 3 from Casters.

I came up with this as a possible BiS:

Elfin Bow
Allagan Visor
Bard's Shirt
Bard's Ringbands
Hero's Belt
Allagan Trousers
Allagan Sollerets
Allagan Choker
Hero's Earrings
Hero's Bracelet
Hero's Ring
Allagan Ring

HQ Deviled Eggs

That puts you (as seeker of the sun) at :
Dex 497 (+221)
Acc 488 (+147)
Crit 570 (+229)
Det 251 (+49)
SS 379 (+38)

Curious to see what people think about it since it's what I'm aiming for >.<

Good site to test builds FFXIV Gear Calculator

Don't know why you'd shoot for Elfin over Allagan bow.

Your weights will be inferior to the 11 mainstat weight of the Allagan bow in just weapon damage and dexterity over 90 bows. Those 20 points of crit and 10 points of det you gain over my bis aren't gonna help your dps in comparison.

So does anyone have the stat difference of:
Full AF+1 Gear with all Hero Accessories
Full Allegan Gear with Allagan Accessories
Be very interested in what the difference comes out as but am too lazy to do the work...LOL!

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/

Quit bein lazy. :P

was it ever explained why bard is the only job with 4 pieces only dropping in turn 5? I know they arent all BIS but just curious as to why

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Originally Posted by Mikedizzy

So does anyone have the stat difference of:
Full AF+1 Gear with all Hero Accessories
Full Allegan Gear with Allagan Accessories
Be very interested in what the difference comes out as but am too lazy to do the work...LOL!

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...=sharing#gid=0 yw

+/- 2.1 changes on Allagan bow, spreadsheet was post 2.1.

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Originally Posted by BrandoH

Given the RNG in accuracy, hitting the max is absolutely crucial, or your performance will not be up to par on all attempts.

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I'm aware absolute best performance would require acc cap, which BiS supplies, but I'm more talking about 'everyday' gearing decisions. On the road to BiS it seems impossible not to fall below the cap, but does anyone think the occasional miss is more of a DPS loss than equipping acc-heavy DL over Allagan? What about say, swapping a +acc +skill speed i90 piece for a +crit +det i90 that dropped you slightly below cap? For some classes in some games not having 100% hit is a massive loss and is never worth it, but is this true for bard (assuming hit rate remains in the 97-99% range)?

Again not an issue for the BiS bard, but very much a thing to consider for the bard still gearing up.