i70 PvP Gear Vs Myth/Allagan Gear

I can't find any math done on this yet. But was wondering if anyone know what's really worth getting and what's not when comparing the two.

As well as the Wolf Mark Math for when you reach 30 if you havent spent any from 1 -30

It's going to take someone smater than me to give you a full number crunch... However, my BRD is iLvl71, when I equip full iLvl55 Morale gear, the difference is huge. I can survive for far longer than normal.

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Originally Posted by Soulscare

It's going to take someone smater than me to give you a full number crunch... However, my BRD is iLvl71, when I equip full iLvl55 Morale gear, the difference is huge. I can survive for far longer than normal.

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Ya am near all i90 so I can't compare myself to you.

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Originally Posted by Soulscare

It's going to take someone smater than me to give you a full number crunch... However, my BRD is iLvl71, when I equip full iLvl55 Morale gear, the difference is huge. I can survive for far longer than normal.

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you noticed you take less damage. what are your observations on your dps?

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiB06

you noticed you take less damage. what are your observations on your dps?

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Actually, when I was running around as my BLM, my DPS increased quite a bit. 800 normal Fire 3 hits to 1k hits average. That's just with the craftable weapon and accessory's.

so I55 is better than 90 lvl gear?

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiB06

you noticed you take less damage. what are your observations on your dps?

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I didn't do any real comparisons, however I hear that the crafted weapon is better. That said, if you're unable to craft it yourself, I'd recommend using your PvE weapon until you have 2.75k Wolf Marks saved for the iLvl70 weapon.

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Originally Posted by Soulscare

I didn't do any real comparisons, however I hear that the crafted weapon is better. That said, if you're unable to craft it yourself, I'd recommend using your PvE weapon until you have 2.75k Wolf Marks saved for the iLvl70 weapon.

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nah i got a capped carpenter so i can craft it myself. i have a few other capped crafting classes so i can do more than just the weapon.

thing is im literally 15 myths away from my zenith lance, so it kinda bums me out that to think that its not really the best weapon for pvp. i really wanted to show it off.

and theres also the fact that i dont really wanna try to get all that pvp gear unless i know its better than zenith + full dl.

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiB06

nah i got a capped carpenter so i can craft it myself. i have a few other capped crafting classes so i can do more than just the weapon.

thing is im literally 15 myths away from my zenith lance, so it kinda bums me out that to think that its not really the best weapon for pvp. i really wanted to show it off.

and theres also the fact that i dont really wanna try to get all that pvp gear unless i know its better than zenith + full dl.

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In that case, I'd hold off spending your myth until we have some real numbers. (Unless you need your Zenith for PvE of course)

I went from mostly i90 gear to the i55 pvp gear. You definitely take less damage, and I don't really notice any change in damage. I still use my +1 Bow for now, but I will be getting the lvl 70 pvp bow next. If you can get the gear without spending too much, you should go for it.

Mix / Match, depending on class. The PvE gear's output is higher damage if it's PvE gear vs PvE gear. The PvP gear gives an advantage over PvE geared players due to increasing both Offense and Defense. Basically the 70 gear is superior but some classes like mine for example, can get away with a few PvE pieces for extra damage.

Thanks everyone, I was asking cause I didn't wanna waste points since I had (Spent them) around 18k so I bought a bunch of the i70 and for some silly reason I bought the i90 bow in advance. Should have gotten more pieces of i70 =p

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Originally Posted by Soulscare

In that case, I'd hold off spending your myth until we have some real numbers. (Unless you need your Zenith for PvE of course)

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why hold off on spending my myths? what else is there to buy? pvp gear is bought with pvp money, not myths.

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Originally Posted by LongNu

Mix / Match, depending on class. The PvE gear's output is higher damage if it's PvE gear vs PvE gear. The PvP gear gives an advantage over PvE geared players due to increasing both Offense and Defense. Basically the 70 gear is superior but some classes like mine for example, can get away with a few PvE pieces for extra damage.

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yeah as a dragoon ive noticed i dont really get targeted much in pvp. sleep? definitely. but ive never really been the first one they target. that is why im more interested in maxing my dps, be it through pvp or pve gear.

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Originally Posted by Comicbookguy

so I55 is better than 90 lvl gear?

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yes. in lv50 battles, your armor essentially all has a defense of 0. Morale is the source of reducing damage taken, and it also buffs damage. Not as much as it boosts defense but that's because of main stat, determination etc still playing a role.

Morale is only present in lv. 50 PvP, so you can do 30 or 40 to build up your points and then do 50 with some gear. In 50 though morale replaces stats so PvP gear is much better no matter the ilevel or blow to your other stats if the gear is less damage or defense. Morale weighs really heavily in 50s.

Also, PvP Forum. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/forums/1019-PvP

yes, crafted gear is best than ilvl 90 pve gear... if youw ant to pvp work on that pvp gear, or you are going to get raped... ilvl 90 pvp gear vs ilvl 90 alaggan is like a armored truck raming someone naked...

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Originally Posted by LongNu

Mix / Match, depending on class. The PvE gear's output is higher damage if it's PvE gear vs PvE gear. The PvP gear gives an advantage over PvE geared players due to increasing both Offense and Defense. Basically the 70 gear is superior but some classes like mine for example, can get away with a few PvE pieces for extra damage.

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still no pve piece of the same slot will give you bigger dps increase than a pvp piece, its said ilvl 55 pvp > ilvl 90 allagan... so no matter what you do all pve gear needs to go at some point...

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Originally Posted by Warthain

still no pve piece of the same slot will give you bigger dps increase than a pvp piece, its said ilvl 55 pvp > ilvl 90 allagan... so no matter what you do all pve gear needs to go at some point...

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At some point yes (I've been steadily replacing my i90 with i70 pvp), but I'm not entirely convinced that i55 is that point. That said, I think when I get home today I'm gonna get someone in my fc to make me a hq i55 wep so I can compare the numbers to what I've been seeing with my zenith, which should address my questions.

I have a question that isn't on topic but still in relation to item level, before it was based on your weapon, what is the average based on now? I always thought it was the sum of all your items divided by the number of items you have.

What about hq crafted weps versus zenith relic? Would the 20-something morale offset the loss in stats?

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiB06

why hold off on spending my myths? what else is there to buy? pvp gear is bought with pvp money, not myths.

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I wasn't saying for PvP, I was saying hold off for PvE reasons.

The key stat in PVP is morale. gear with it will likely always be better than gear without it.