Hey guys, I'm looking to create a forum where people can share tips and information about how they handle healing (or killing healers) in PvP. While i know a lot of you would like to complain about how its unbalanced or whatever, I prefer to look for solutions to my problems. Therein lies the point of this thread, I'm looking to see if anyone knows any tips or strategies i do not.
Healer PVP: What works and what doesnt
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12-20-2013, 01:35 AMWonderboundHealer PVP: What works and what doesnt
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12-20-2013, 01:36 AMWonderbound
Some things I've learned over the course of PvP so far:
1. RUN, while healing may be your focus, the other teams focus is you so run first, heal later
2. pvp skills, Purify for one, saves lives...did you know purify also works on that pesky provoke? its also great with sleep, bind, and stun... check it out, i know its pretty much one time use but its made the difference between wins and losses for me
3. Line of Sight, attention scholars! Dps is using your fairy's line of sight against you, whenever you run out of line of sight people burn cool downs to kill you off...just sayin
4. embrace hotbar, always have this on your hot/crossbar so you can make sure eos/selene is healing you
5. PvP gear/materia, i havent gotten to work with the materia yet, but the gear helps you from getting crushed instantly, really, invest in some. -
12-20-2013, 01:36 AMWonderbound
6. Killing other whm/sch, A LOT of my wins come when i get the second or two to cast dots on the other healer, the game is all about outlasting them! miasma is great cause it slows them down.
7. swiftcast/bliz2, if your getting harrassed by tank and you have to prioritize your safety, swiftbliz2 is great for binding and getting away
8. Dont be afraid to tell your dps to bind tank for you, if you have brds, smns, or a tank, they can all greatly increase your survival
anyways, this is what i've learned so far in my uhhh 2 days playing, i run random matches mostly no premade group, so its always interesting to see the different styles of play. I've also been looking through the forums and see no helpful advice, just people complaining about how everything is overpowered....ok guys time to nut up or shut up... post your advice here... -
12-20-2013, 02:43 AMNailkita
I have to say against scholars, their miasma 2 has proven to be very effective against me, as I have no time to esuna the disease.
For WHM Sprint is your best friend.
Swift Cast sleep can be good, but even better is a swift cast holy to stun the melee that are trying to smash your face in. and then you can get a repose off.
when there's 10 seconds left on the prep timer I'll divine seal Medica II and then regen the party so that if I can't get at them in the first 30 seconds they at least have some hots on them.
The pillars are pretty useless... they're too small to be effective LoS for melee, they could be used to avoid a blm's sleep or ranged damage but otherwise you're going to be using the walls to get away from the melee.
Benediction carefully, I've had a few times where I burnt it to save someone, only for them to immediately turn on me to a point where I should have just hotted the other person and saved it for myself.
Be careful when using Fluid Aura a few times I've knocked someone back only to actually knock them right in my path. And when using fluid aura on only one person chasing you I'd recommend reposing them right after.
I'd say picking up the ability that prevents interrupts and the damage reduction space are your best first options -
12-20-2013, 02:44 AMNailkita
Oh has anyone made use of surecast? I completely forgot about it. surecast > blizzard 2 may be a great way to get melee off you for a while.
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12-20-2013, 03:06 AMWonderboundi wanna try surecast/bliz2 but i dont have the space to do so, TY so much for your view from the whms perspective! I'm glad someone else is coming up with strategies and is willing to share information on here other than just myself!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nailkita
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12-20-2013, 03:57 AMNailkita
I'm surprised at the complaints from the ranged that they have to kite, every other pvp I've played the healer would have to kite and hide, I do find the 100% interrupt is a bit ludicrous even 75% would be preferable. In general I would like interrupts to be something you have to plan for or at least not off auto attacks since our cast times are short.
What are your thoughts on stats?
I crafted myself a full set of PvP gear but found that it was a bit too much loss in health and stats compared to my WHM gear. I'm thinking spell speed is going to be the stat to stack for whm. Though we have a lot more instant casts than scholar I think being able to get a faster cast before a melee can get to you could make or break a round.
Piety is probably going to be negligible with rounds being so short. -
12-20-2013, 07:01 AMcoffeeking
quite sad that running is our main objective...we need a bit more control in pvp, not much but this right now is sad
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12-20-2013, 07:15 AMJarlax
I wish I had something constructive to say I really do, I didn't expect it to be great, but I hoped it to be fun. I usually play a healing role in these types of games and am fully aware of what a healer is like in PvP. It's just to easy to shut me down, all you have to do is set a pet on me to endlessly autoattack me and I can basically cast regen. Or Surecast 1 spell every 30 seconds "that can be stunned" or swiftcast 1 spell every minuite. other than that run and regen.
It sucks and I pray to whatever MMO god that might be out there that class adjustments don't start bleeding over into the PvE for......one......map. I know it was stated they can adjust things separately, but I am dubious. I would imagine there are limits, we shall see. I have seen PvP ruin a lot of games, I hope it doesn't go and ruin this one on me as well. After 15 years of MMO gaming I hate to say it, but it was the worst PvP experience I think I have ever had. Guess this time around I will stick to PvE in this MMO, and again hope they don't ruin it adjusting PvP. -
12-20-2013, 07:47 AMEredhylIt is hard to be a healer in the PVP game. But I tried using Miasma 2 and suddenly I won 2 games in a row. So I'm guessing I will leave the cure to my pet and lustrate and attack the other healer with it. Also swiftcast+blizzard2 seems a really good potionQuote:
Originally Posted by Nailkita
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12-20-2013, 09:34 AMKalakbar
PvPing as a WHM, as SCH suffers badly from no CC and also having a pet that's incapable of sprinting.
Tips!
1.) Always be aware of where the enemy tank is. Frequently, their only job is to CC you, so make sure you're always aware of where they are.
2.) Sleeping pets is an incredible way to neuter an enemy SCH or SMN.
3.) Surecast needs to be saved for when they are out of stuns/silences.
4.) Keep Medica 2 and Regen ticking as much as you can.
5.) Swiftcast Holy can save you from needing to Swiftcast a Res.
6.) Purify can save you from a full row of SMN dots AS WELL as the stun the enemy PLD just dropped on you. Use it.
7.) LoS as much as humanly possible. -
12-21-2013, 12:32 AMRainsford
Vitality! I went 30vit and wear my i90 armor/weapon with i70 Astral gear with full Vit. With food, my HP is about 5400~. I don't lose enough healing potency for it to matter, but there's tons of times where I'm knocked below 1k~ HP and able to recover when it would have been death without the Vit.
Also, as a healer, being able to eat more burst gives your team more time to kill their healer. -
12-21-2013, 01:41 AMKam8T88I'm in the same boat here. I hate not having control of my character. 100% interrupt rate is just too much. Any other mmo I've played when someone is attacking the healer, the healer still has options. With this game if someone's on you all you can do is run away. If they're CCing you while dpsing there's literally nothing you can do. It's simply no fun at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarlax
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12-21-2013, 02:01 AMSciwolf
Im not a healer but i saw this MNK video where he just had the sprint aura on and just kept on hitting the healer the whole match and they won.
Im not even sure how the healer could have defended against that because even with sprint the MNK would sprint and still had enough TP to interrupt.
In top of that the MNK had some ranged attack that could nullify the healers sprint. And if that wasnt enough he used that MNK intercept (shoulder tackle?) ability whenever the caster got a little too far.
They dont even need to kill you. All they need to do is to merely hit you. -
12-21-2013, 02:34 AMYuriRamonaQuote:
Originally Posted by Jarlax
Yes, at the moment, BRD, MNK, and SMN (and/or their pets) can lock down healers for a majority of the time with the possibility of killing you. SCH has Miasma 2 and Ruin 2 for Heavy/Blind and WHM can Regen to extend their chances, but it's very difficult to cast under this kind of harassment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sciwolf
The key thing here is that these jobs are much deadlier than tanks, who can do little more than harass you (obviously they are deadly if paired with DPS, due to Holmgang bind or Shield Bash stun, so Purify is needed to dodge their blitz). If they decide to use a DPS to chase you instead of a tank (or in addition to a tank), then you should have free reign to catch one of their DPS off-guard or when they are far from their healer: if your team's tank is effectively harassing/pulling away their healer, then you should have two DPS free to focus on one of their DPS.
So to answer your concerns, there is no real counter to BRD, MNK, or SMN chasing you (besides maybe the new PVP abilities). The only response (especially if you're being double-teamed) is to go on the offensive. Obviously, the healer can Swiftcast+Raise, but you just need to be aware of where the spell resolved and camp the DPS when they accept the raise (and come back with usually 500-700 HP). If the healer tries to come back to heal the weakened DPS, they open themselves to attack and may end up losing their DPS in the process anyway.
P.S. If you have Annulment, you can bait their DPS to target you while your team's DPS focus one of them down. Annulment is also a perfect counter to a full-team blitz if the other side tries to do so. (3-4 against you in stun lock)