Ifirt Eruptions and Diminishing returns

Did they change the way stun DR works?

My guild did Ifrit HM last night, and it seemed that I could stun the first 3 eruptions and then the next 2 I could not stun. I remember i could usually get all of them reliably when I did it previously. We tried it with the other pally tank, and it was the same for him.

any ideas? I didnt see anything regarding this in the patch notes, although it may be buried somewhere.

they changed the resistance mechanic a bit, was written somehow somewhere in the nodes

Someone else was stunning.

Did you have a Dragoon in your group?

As an aside, you do occasionally have to put up with one resist per run but its rare.

Status affliction resistances will now begin counting after the last corresponding status affliction is received.
From patch notes.

Eruptions have also been nerfed a little as they now do less damage according to patch notes.

It could also be a SCH pet. I was off tanking Ifrit and a SCH in the group said that Selene could silence Ifrit.

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Originally Posted by Wizhard

Status affliction resistances will now begin counting after the last corresponding status affliction is received.
From patch notes.

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...so did everyone miss this?

Resistance timers used to start after the FIRST skill was applied in the series. Before, this meant that you could space them out enough to never get the resistance. If the timer starts after the LAST status affliction, then you're going to have issues.

BEFORE:
3 stuns within 1 min = resistance.
1st stun: timer starts
2nd stun
3rd stun: if still within the 1 minute timer, all corresponding stuns would be resisted until the minute timer is up.

NOW:
3 stuns within one minute STARTs the timer.
1st stun
2nd stun
3rd stun: 1 minute resistance timer starts.



This is how it should have been from the beginning as it makes more sense. You can't rely on a stun bot anymore...you'l actually have to dodge mechanics now (eruptions are so easy to dodge), or choose wisely about what you actually DO stun (you really only need to stun the eruptions past nail phase).

Someone pls correct me if any of the info I posted is inaccurate.

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Originally Posted by LamchopSHK

It could also be a SCH pet. I was off tanking Ifrit and a SCH in the group said that Selene could silence Ifrit.

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I'm still like 99% sure Silences do not affect stun DR.

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Originally Posted by Nichigo

BEFORE:
3 stuns within 1 min = resistance.
1st stun: timer starts
2nd stun
3rd stun: if still within the 1 minute timer, all corresponding stuns would be resisted until the minute timer is up.

NOW:
3 stuns within one minute STARTs the timer.
1st stun
2nd stun
3rd stun: 1 minute resistance timer starts.

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SO basically, if we want to avoid being resistant at all, before patch we can stun 3 times in 1 minute, now we can only stun 2 times?
Wander if this will slow the LB charge for ifrit HM.

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Originally Posted by Arcaloid

SO basically, if we want to avoid being resistant at all, before patch we can stun 3 times in 1 minute, now we can only stun 2 times?
Wander if this will slow the LB charge for ifrit HM.

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It does and it makes it really hard for a random duty finder group to do this fight now.

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Originally Posted by Arcaloid

now we can only stun 2 times?

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We can still stun 3 times in a row but the DR timer starts countdown after that 3rd stun instead first stun.

It does slow down the LB build-up but I would just have the stunner make a macro for when he starts to be resisted to warn people to run out of eruption. I almost wiped last night due to a resist on the critical LB/gather behind him for one of the plumes pattern. Guess everyone will have to know the fight better now lol and that is good. I felt like Ifrit was trivialized too much before when it comes to HM Primals. On another note, I think we only got LB2 by time for the nails lol.

It did slow the LB timer considerably, combined with it now resetting between pulls it's a bit more painful.

Probably should do something to help with the limit break building, not sure if that was intended with the stun dr mechanic.

You all realize we have another skill for a Pld to use that isn't stun right? Try using Shield Swipe on eruptions, you just need to do it 2 times in a row between your 3 stun limit to reset the stun timer.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

Shield Bash is your stun. Maybe you mean Shield Swipe?

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I feel extra bad for that typo because I play Pld frequently.

I can see the changes to LB building hurting groups with no caster LB, but those with caster LB will be basically unaffected. Burn one nail down, LB the others, mop up the last bit of hp. I'm thinking zero-caster groups will have to burn the first, LB the second, burn the third, LB the fourth?

As far as dodging Eruption, it's no big deal. After all, it used to not be stunable at all. . .

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

You all realize we have another skill for a Pld to use that isn't stun right? Try using Shield Bash on eruptions, you just need to do it 2 times in a row between your 3 stun limit to reset the stun timer.

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Shield Bash is your stun. Maybe you mean Shield Swipe?

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

I can see the changes to LB building hurting groups with no caster LB, but those with caster LB will be basically unaffected. Burn one nail down, LB the others, mop up the last bit of hp. I'm thinking zero-caster groups will have to burn the first, LB the second, burn the third, LB the fourth?

As far as dodging Eruption, it's no big deal. After all, it used to not be stunable at all. . .

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Shield Bash is your stun. Maybe you mean Shield Swipe?

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Maybe they mean spirits? not sure from what I remember spirits has a silence component but not sure if you can silence eruption. never tried berfore

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Originally Posted by nixi

It did slow the LB timer considerably, combined with it now resetting between pulls it's a bit more painful.

Probably should do something to help with the limit break building, not sure if that was intended with the stun dr mechanic.

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did ifrit for someone in fc and as blm had to wait a little while with nails up in order to get lb3 to cover them all.

You can hit all the nails with a LB2, it's not that hard but you have very little room for error.

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It did slow the LB timer considerably, combined with it now resetting between pulls it's a bit more painful.

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LB always used to reset when you aggro'd the primal.

Anyway Ifrit still isn't a problem, you just have to do it 1.0 style and leave room in the center/back for people to run from eruptions. Since they do less damage getting hit by only one isn't too dangerous.

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Originally Posted by flamds1

Maybe they mean spirits? not sure from what I remember spirits has a silence component but not sure if you can silence eruption. never tried berfore

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Don't think you can, but I'm fairly certain you can pacify it. It just requires pretty good timing and some lucky blocks.

A neat tactic my group used after the patch was to use auto attack until almost LB 1. Then go all out and you should have LB 3 by nails. and I agree with an earlier post, tell mages stop being lazy and dodge eruption pre-nail. save it for the massive eruptions afterward.