things wrong with pvp

1.) TOO FAST the most important thing i have noticed is the players movement speed is way too fast. also makes it almost impossible to get any melee positioning dmg increases such as heavy thrust or the disembowel/chaos thrust. i even feel worse for monks trying to keep up the greased lightning, but more or less even trying to get 3 solid hits off in a row

2.) SLEEP is too op and should be replaced with another skill that is more pvp oriented
eliminating a player from the fight for 20 seconds is just too game breaking

3.) give melee some sort of SNARE, even if it involves reducing their dmg dealt or give it a high cd, or raise the stun length so you can atleast get off 2 or 3 attacks to 5 or 7.5 sec.

4.) disconnect attack ANIMATION, (atleast for drg) in mid attack it just cancels itself out with certain abilities if they just turn the other way and get out of distance in the middle of an executed attack

5.) KITING haven't tried it yet but BARD seems like it will be king of pvp with the mechanics of how everything works, constantly being able to pump out dmg with the only thing stopping you is the los. being able to move and still do dmg from ranged will make it op. the king of kiting? also the only class that can raise movement speed.

6.) large ICONS over players heads to show status ailments, also with a timer

7.) dont require tank and healer just put 4 of the same vs even if it is 4 dps vs 4 dps

8.) 90 SEC TIMER at beginning of match is way too long, 30-45 sec is more like it

Such an deep Analysis for 1 played Match!
Without PvP Equip or Traits/Skills.

Nothing more to say.

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Originally Posted by Sonicdoc

Such an deep Analysis for 1 played Match!
Without PvP Equip or Traits/Skills.

Nothing more to say.

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i played like 5 matches, yes i understand the pvp gear with sleep but i still think it is a dumb pvp skill. whm can heal whomever completely full almost even with time reduction

I can agree we need more time to get into it deeper but still THAT SLEEP IS CRAZY!

I have only read every 15th word of your post but let me tell you what is wrong with your whole thread.

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Originally Posted by Miiu

I have only read every 15th word of your post but let me tell you what is wrong with your whole thread.

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how do you know the whole thread is wrong if you only read every 15th word? that literally means the 8.4% of my thread is wrong then.

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Originally Posted by Aysha_Alese

how do you know the whole thread is wrong if you only read every 15th word? that literally means the 8.4% of my thread is wrong then.

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The guy is just being an asshole, in multiple threads, just dont acknowledge him.

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how do you know the whole thread is wrong if you only read every 15th word? that literally means the 8.4% of my thread is wrong then.

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And that is exactly my point.

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Originally Posted by Valkenhayn1

The guy is just being an asshole, in multiple threads, just dont acknowledge him.

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And here I thought my sarcasticly witty answers would kind of be adorable :/

1) Don't feel bad for monks we get a move that instantly grants us 3 stacks of greased lightning and pacifies everyone for 5 seconds

2) Earn 3 AP... put it in the PvP trait that allows you to remove status aliments or have your healer do his job

3) monks have 2 stuns and if they sprint ... well i sprint right after them and use a tp regen move... also monks have an active skill that can give them increased movement speed

4) your connection issue?

5) can't say much for bards... must kill more to build larger sample size

6) sure why not

7) meh

8) 60 seconds and we'll call it a deal

You're a lancer, right?

Weapon Throw
Delivers a ranged attack with a potency of 50.
Additional Effect:20% chance of inflicting Heavy when dealt from behind Duration: 6s
Additional Effect:Removes Sprint effect when dealt from behind

Fetter Ward
Grants immunity to stun, sleep, bind, heavy, and disease.
Duration: 5s


Impulse Rush
Delivers an attack with a potency of 200.
Additional Effect: Reduces weaponskill TP cost by 30% and waives directional requirements in combos Duration: 10s

Since you seem to have a problem with my analogy here is the slightly longer version of my first post in this thread:
You just took a quick bite of a new feature just introduced around 2 hours ago. You will most likely not have anything unlocked no pvp gear etc. Yet you make a post "things wrong with pvp" while you are still inexperienced and didn't get to dig in all the nooks and crannies of the pvp system.

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Originally Posted by Ronzeru

You're a lancer, right?

Weapon Throw
Delivers a ranged attack with a potency of 50.
Additional Effect:20% chance of inflicting Heavy when dealt from behind Duration: 6s
Additional Effect:Removes Sprint effect when dealt from behind

Fetter Ward
Grants immunity to stun, sleep, bind, heavy, and disease.
Duration: 5s


Impulse Rush
Delivers an attack with a potency of 200.
Additional Effect: Reduces weaponskill TP cost by 30% and waives directional requirements in combos Duration: 10s

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Was just about to post this, thank you.

No prob. ^_^

try to coordinate with you group, as for me, we 1st stunlock who ever we want to kill then all melee can gang up caster :P, sleep is the 1st weapon but not that all, we got purify skill so better use it carefully.

btw, can you use status remove potions in pvp? Or other items to break sleep and stun on others if your healer is out?
If so, that stuff just finally got a point to be in game.

bards do not deserve 100% interrupt on attacks.

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Originally Posted by vpc

bards do not deserve 100% interrupt on attacks.

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It's all direct damage, but if you could be a little more mad about bards, that will accomplish a lot.

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btw, can you use status remove potions in pvp? Or other items to break sleep and stun on others if your healer is out?
If so, that stuff just finally got a point to be in game.

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i bought smelling Salts (remove sleep) and i can't use it yet
My first option was "purify", sleep is op atm without resistance

9) Casters are at a total disadvantage, any damage = interrupt :mad:

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Originally Posted by Aysha_Alese

i played like 5 matches, yes i understand the pvp gear with sleep but i still think it is a dumb pvp skill. whm can heal whomever completely full almost even with time reduction

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It's kind of lame that you have to gear around one cc that only 1 class has

i thought black mage had an aoe sleep as well? never played the job but thats what i heard

You know what they need to fix. Players. You can instantly tell who doesn't know how to play their class and who's retarded enough to run into 4 enemies solo.

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Originally Posted by Sonicdoc

Without PvP Equip or Traits/Skills.

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Such a dumb argument. Why can't pvp be fun and balanced from the start? Why should a person have to slog through hours on end of cheap/broken mechanics just to be able to compete without being perma cc'd? Gear progression should enhance what's already there, not provide defense against CCs where there previously was none.

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And here I thought my sarcasticly witty answers would kind of be adorable :/

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I think you're adorable, you wanna go out for dinner some time

Well that didn't take long...

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1. This is PvP, if you can use your PvE rotation, something is wrong (opponent)
2. Likely, you are (were) a WoW player and too used to CC duration is being 8s, but this is Final Fantasy 14, it allows Sleep to works full duration on player. Not to mention, Sleep is currently the only effective CC until S/E put in Paralyze & Silence.
3. Your claim may or may not be legit, but it may have something to do with your CD management (based on your #1 as you want to maintain PvE rotation in PvP)
4. May or may not be legit claim, but it sounds like you are arguing from WoW mindset again.
5. This is your assumption.
6. I agree with this type of player bandaid, because a lot of us has tunnvel vision issue.
7. Disagree. I dont want to have WoW arena system where certain combo has advantages.
8. Not sure why you complain about this when this is on DF.

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9) Casters are at a total disadvantage, any damage = interrupt :mad:

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If that wasn't in place
WHM/SCH = Endless Heals
BLM/SMN = Endless Nukes

Casters are put at a disadvantage because their damage / cc / debuff / healing is incredible!

not expecting to get in my full pve rotation at all, just the difficulty level to even land a heavy thrust or to activate my disembowel is well, way too high in my opinion, half the time i land them i think i just got lucky. they added these things to increase dmg to balance melee with ranged, but yet ranged doesnt have any of these problems to worry about. ranged will claim if they stand there melee will come and slaughter them, well if blm is still doing more dmg than a melee class then who would really win in a stand off? also if a caster turns without moving does it interrupt the cast?

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Originally Posted by Aysha_Alese

not expecting to get in my full pve rotation at all, just the difficulty level to even land a heavy thrust or to activate my disembowel is well, way too high in my opinion, half the time i land them i think i just got lucky. they added these things to increase dmg to balance melee with ranged, but yet ranged doesnt have any of these problems to worry about. ranged will claim if they stand there melee will come and slaughter them, well if blm is still doing more dmg than a melee class then who would really win in a stand off? also if a caster turns without moving does it interrupt the cast?

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Why in the world are you doing heavy thrust or disembowl combo? You probably dont even use ur slow attack I bet. Learn to play ur job and there wont be a problem. Ive literally killed wars, plds, mnks, bards and blms all by myself while everyone is doing their job. You can easily kill a blm by urself as a drg in less then 7 seconds. Again learn to play ur job.

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If that wasn't in place
WHM/SCH = Endless Heals
BLM/SMN = Endless Nukes

Casters are put at a disadvantage because their damage / cc / debuff / healing is incredible!

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Others MMOs use this thing called Spell Pushback, which prevents the cast bar from finishing when you receive direct damage. I was calling for it all through beta and was entirely ignored. And I knew this was going to be a problem for casters.

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Such a dumb argument. Why can't pvp be fun and balanced from the start? Why should a person have to slog through hours on end of cheap/broken mechanics just to be able to compete without being perma cc'd? Gear progression should enhance what's already there, not provide defense against CCs where there previously was none.

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PvP for 1 hour... get to rank 3... and learn the skill to break any CCs ? SO HARD

also to add to my list, why not 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2, or 3 vs 3?

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I think you're adorable, you wanna go out for dinner some time

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:( Spilled my coffee after I read your post + your signature gif XD

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also to add to my list, why not 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2, or 3 vs 3?

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Because allowing 1vs1 in pvp would open a whole new can of worms in terms of balancing etc. That would be too much work at the moment when they are not sure how pvp will be accepted by the community.