If your FC can't afford to buy a house...

It's okay. To be honest there are many, many ways to acquire gil in game such as :

1. spiritbinding
2. dungeon runs
3. tradeskills
4. selling philo mats
5. farming tradeskill supplies

Just like end game gear a FC house is something that is a group effort. What would be the point if day 1 everyone could buy a house of the same tier without any effort.

It is obvious by the posts on the boards that there are other FC's in the same situation as yours which is good because it means the property will be around for awhile and eventually lower in price.

- all the above are still valid ways of acquiring (not necessary making) gil as people still need furniture, there will be personal housing in the future, people will be leveling tradeskills to make housing items, and people will still need materia for relics and gear.
- dungeon runs are great for making gil which equates to about 2-3k per run ever 10-15 mins (WP) which also includes philo tomes which may be sold or used to make gear which can then be sold.
- people are still looking at this as an individual cost which it is not. The FC housing is supposed to be a team effort.

- you can not be upset at housing costs if your FC chose to gear up and beat Coil as that was the team goal. there are FC's out there that just focused on crafting and saving for housing so of course they will be the first to buy an expensive house but that was their team goal. housing wasn't something they announced at the last minute, so if your FC decided to prioritize Coil over grinding for a house then there is no reason to complain.

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Originally Posted by Shydo123

It's okay. To be honest there are many, many ways to acquire gil in game such as :

1. spiritbinding
2. dungeon runs
3. tradeskills
4. selling philo mats
5. farming tradeskill supplies

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Guess what stuff no one is going to be buying because most of the population is not going to be spending a dime on anything due to the housing costs being so high. The issue is not that it will take some time to get. The problem is that on the higher cost servers like the Legacy server I am on, you are currently SOL because markets are the only way to get the money needed for housing in any reasonable amount of time.

That money won't be there though as, like I said, people will not want to spend much. Even worse, the groups that are rich enough to afford housing likely have a huge amount of people and will be self-sufficient so the furniture market will be tiny.

The 20k-per-day for doing battle content is great but only viable for new, non-legacy servers. For those of us on more expensive servers having to pay 10x as much it still won't help us out much. As a FC leader it worries me that it could be months till we own even the crappiest house when we were looking forward to building it up as a group.

Yep, everyone else is going to be shelling out gil left and right, buying your philo mats, materia and mats because ONLY YOU and YOUR FC will be trying to earn gil for housing. Everyone else will be just practically giving it away instead of saving it. The markets will be more active and lucrative than ever!

2. dungeon runs

icant..

most gil making methods aren't putting more gil in the economy. Most of them are taking the gil already in the enconomy from another player rather than intorducing more gil into the economy.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

Guess what stuff no one is going to be buying because most of the population is not going to be spending a dime on anything due to the housing costs being so high.

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People still need to do day to day things and not everyone is farming for FC housing which may be surprising to you....

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

most gil making methods aren't putting more gil in the economy. Most of them are taking the gil already in the enconomy from another player rather than intorducing more gil into the economy.

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This is an extremely common misconception. The current ways to generate gil in the economy is overly sufficient. If you have too many new ways to generate new gil and insufficient gil sinks then you're going to have inflation. Thus, that's why legacy servers have such high housing cost, it's because so many people are holding onto gil and have so much gil in circulation that it's super expensive there. This is also what happens if your country prints money like crazy. Your $$ in bank becomes worthless.

Everything has been designed to be in the perfect proportion, people just don't realise it because all they see are big numbers.

right, Philo mats are like 15k. That puts a significant dent in 325 million.

FC should be able to earn gil from things FC members does instead of FC member grinding unhappily to fill the FC Chest. Why make FFXIV like WOW without this feature for FC. LOL.

P.S Philo mats are 7-8 k in my server. Market is very bad now.

I don't get why so many people even want a house. We can sleep anywhere, it serves to real purpose except some minor buffs we can live without. When we get one, we get one, but I won't be benching my own progression to pay for an FC house, that would be detrimental to everyone.

"Hey guys we got a house finally!!"
'Sweet, so what can we do'
"We can furnish it"
'what good is that'
"It looks cool"
'So we spent 100 million on this thing and it's vanity'
"Well, we can place stuff to give us perks!"
'Oh, but we don't have those yet?'
"No"
'So what good is it to us atm'
"It's not really, but it's cool"
'Oh.... wish I had my 2 mil gil back....'

1, 3, 4, and 5 have been on a significant price decline and have no signs of going back up again. In fact, they've made philo tomes even easier to get with the roulette now, so prices are sure to crash because of it.

Tradeskills and tradeskill items play a very delicate balance in the market. Put too much on the market board, price crash. Find a niche no one has tapped recently? Price crash in the market as it gets flooded from 20 others who noticed the same thing. I'm not saying you can't earn money those ways, but you'd have to play your cards right not to destroy the market too early. Maybe 10-20k/day. And Yoshi said the roulettes would give about 20k a day. So why not just do those instead?

And materia can be good, I'll give you that...but with the only way to make a significant amount of money at once, I doubt it will be for long.

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Originally Posted by LordSideKicks

FC should be able to earn gil from things FC members does instead of FC member grinding unhappily to fill the FC Chest. Why make FFXIV like WOW without this feature for FC. LOL.

P.S Philo mats are 7-8 k in my server. Market is very bad now.

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We sold titans and got a lot of flak for it. We plan on selling extreme mode primals and BCB turns now, so gil should poor in.

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Originally Posted by Lafiele

People still need to do day to day things and not everyone is farming for FC housing which may be surprising to you....

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Right, which is why these prices are outrageous. My FC has been busy gearing up and working on endgame content while putting money here and there in the company chest ever since the game started and are nowhere near buying any house. If we need to buy supplies and etc that will make it take even longer.

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I don't get why so many people even want a house. We can sleep anywhere, it serves to real purpose except some minor buffs we can live without. When we get one, we get one, but I won't be benching my own progression to pay for an FC house, that would be detrimental to everyone.

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We were excited to finally have our own hangout and a place we can customize because we will all be able to have a hand in it. I agree with not benching progression, but that is entirely why these prices are stupid. Anyone that has been focusing on progressing and working their way into endgame content is likely very far away from owning a house and will continue to be if you aren't on any of the lowest tier servers.

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Originally Posted by Sayura_

2. dungeon runs

icant..

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Prior to 2.1 you made a lot of gil running DH depending on server that is.

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Originally Posted by Lafiele

This is an extremely common misconception. The current ways to generate gil in the economy is overly sufficient.

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Totally, which is why they increased the cost of repairs and totally didn't decrease it or add gil drops because here was so little gil being generated that people can't even afford repairs.


Oh wait.

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Thus, that's why legacy servers have such high housing cost, it's because so many people are holding onto gil and have so much gil in circulation that it's super expensive there.

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Please actually do come and see our market and point out the massive amount of gil in circulation here.

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Everything has been designed to be in the perfect proportion, people just don't realise it because all they see are big numbers.

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as opposed to you, who is obviously privy to information we don't have right? :rolleyes:

You may want to tone down them floodlights on your armor, I think you're blinding some poor aliens two galaxies over.

Only the main storyline, quests, dungeon runs and now dailies and treasure hunts generate substantial amounts of money while Allagan pieces, leves and FATES generate smaller amounts, the rest of those options are just redistributing that generated money or the money from legacy players between other players. Say, using the prices on my server, a FC does manage to buy a 312 million plot, a non RMT FC to boot, that's 312 million less in the server for other people to buy things on the market, keep in mind this money had to be pooled from a substantial amount of players in the FC too. Now this will be pretty much impossible but say more than one FC manages to buy the best plot, or something more reasonable, a lot of the smaller plots start selling. That's also money that won't ever be redistributed until they add the option to resell the land, which to my knowledge isn't implemented yet, those 25 million will add up too.

Eventually there will be a point where the generated money and the player's savings won't match the money needed to buy a plot, not until many months of saving money generated from the game anyway. There's also the fact that since the announcement a lot of people have started both hoarding gil and selling as much as they can, but the people hoarding gil are really less likely to spend it so they can save as much of it as they can, thus markets end up moving far slower and become an even more unreliable way to make money.

It's pretty easy to make 100k gil a day with minimum effort pre-patch. I imagine with dailies and buffed leve gil output it will be even easier to make gil.

Even with any of the options above, its a delicate balance. Either market wise, or FC wise. Because you honestly run the risk of burnout and stop playing if you do it for too long.

Being in the largest FC on Hyperion, we even didn't expect the cost of housing to be so high. We thought we'd have enough, but like many other FC's out there our hearts sank the moment we read the patch notes.

And ever since we've been trying to band together and brainstorm ideas and raise what we can. Our FC leader even got a tell from another leader of a different FC on the whole situation.

The issue is that the prices are a function of the amount of gil currently in the economy.

This would be fine, if we assume:
Gil is distributed relatively evenly among Free Companies.
Players within Free Companies are willing to donate a significant chunk of their wealth toward housing.

Neither of those are necessarily true. And so we'll have wealthy FCs gleefully throw gil at the larger plots, and smaller (obviously more casual) FCs who've struggled to scrounge together a few million (when the entry price is 4-8 million).

It is mind boggling that content designed for casual players have been subjected to a quite anti-fun grind fest that is FFXIV gil generation.

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Originally Posted by Lafiele

People still need to do day to day things and not everyone is farming for FC housing which may be surprising to you....



This is an extremely common misconception. The current ways to generate gil in the economy is overly sufficient. If you have too many new ways to generate new gil and insufficient gil sinks then you're going to have inflation. Thus, that's why legacy servers have such high housing cost, it's because so many people are holding onto gil and have so much gil in circulation that it's super expensive there. This is also what happens if your country prints money like crazy. Your $$ in bank becomes worthless.

Everything has been designed to be in the perfect proportion, people just don't realise it because all they see are big numbers.

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dont know how legacys are holding on to all that money when SE took 90% of our gil when 2.0 hit.
one gil is one gil regardless, there is no gross domestic product to go by means there is no real economy same rules dont apply.

You should zoom out.

Cooking is going to suck because you don't lose the effect when you die

Selling 2 star crafted gear is going to suck because 2.1 is adding a sea of gear and upping the myth cap

so GG economy?