So I'm new to the game, I've been playing for about 2-3 weeks now.
I finally got my Conj to 30 and jumped over to level my Arcanist to 15 so I can unlock WHM, the class I want to play.
How exactly am I suppose to level 30-50 without Thunder? I've depended on Thunder for DPS since level 15 or so. Now I'm suppose to do the last 20 levels spamming nothing but Stone 2 all day?
You really know how to make a new player want to quit your game Square, great job.
Time to debate if I even want to log in again, might cancel my account tonight.
This change is stupid and only hurts people new to the game and people attempting to level a healing class, something people WANT around. Stupid Squarenix, stupid as hell.
Umm..Thunder?
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12-17-2013, 01:19 AMZenn3000Umm..Thunder?
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12-17-2013, 01:23 AMEriane
Grab blizzard and aoe your way to 50 with a 50 potency spell. YAY!
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12-17-2013, 01:25 AMSeraviEdalborezThunder: net 240 potency (30 upfront, 35 every 3 seconds for 18 seconds)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zenn3000
Aero II: net 210
Aero: net 200
Stone 2: 170
Fluid Aura: 150 (off-gcd)
Use Cleric Stance.
"Depending on" Thunder is a silly statement; most enemies shouldn't be alive for more than 1 or 2. You'll be spamming Stone 2 a lot anyways. -
12-17-2013, 01:25 AMYuichi
Adapt and evolve that is how MMO players do it. We change strats, rotations, etc whenever something changes. if it seriously sucks we just quit. Most give it a chance though.
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12-17-2013, 01:30 AMEuphe
I am perplexed about the removal of Thunder... Just doesn't make sense to me. Don't worry though. You will get Aero II which is stackable with Aero I and also keep in mind the Stone I is still useful for slowing down mobs. Fluid Aura for push-backs etc. etc. I don't see the point in Blizzard beyond the scope of pvp combat. I'm definitely going to miss having Thunder in my dps rotation so I can understand your frustration...
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12-17-2013, 01:32 AMZenn3000Yes, but without Thunder, thats easily 2-3 more Stone 2's I must cast and a much more boring style of solo play.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez
This change seems completely pointless and arbitrary.
I could adapt…I could also leave this floundering game that struggles to get new users because of a really stupid change that ruins some of the game for me. -
12-17-2013, 01:33 AMthiago_fzs
I have a 50Lv WHM class and I think I can live perfectly fine without Thunder. But I have to agree with You when You say that we need more Spells... But its just the beggining of this game... I think SE will do great changes in future. Look how big is the Patch 2.1 update!
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12-17-2013, 01:34 AMZenn3000Yeah, there are only what, 3-4 decent cross skills for WHM before? And now one of them is gone for no reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by thiago_fzs
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12-17-2013, 01:36 AMGinTamahow about you stop fate farming and do some dungeons ....Quote:
Originally Posted by Zenn3000
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12-17-2013, 01:41 AMZenn3000Ha, thats cute. A Conj fate farming. Oh, theres a target…lemme quickly cast Aero on it….aaaannnnnd its dead. Oh look, another target…and its dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by GinTama
I do Dungeons, I like dungeons. However, when you are leveling for the first time, there is about 5 levels between each one. -
12-17-2013, 02:07 AMZDamned
Dungeons are gaining an extreme EXP boost from this patch and you can run them more than once.
But honestly, if your relying on Thunder, AND somehow can't seem to succeed at FATE farming, then I think you have a case of the BAD. Conjurer and Arcanist are amazingly easy to get golds with in Fates, Bio/Aero is all you need. Tab > Aero > Tab Aero. Gold. Next Fate.
Or... OR!.... Now stay with me here.....
Get a FATE party, and watch your medals go to gold for casting 1 single spell on someone in the party.
I Know... I know.. that sounds like a lot of work for 5-10% of your whole entire level's EXP per 5 minutes.... but... I guess your just going to have to deal with it. -
12-17-2013, 02:24 AMxRitzxIt seems like if you hate repeating dungeons and you don't fate farm then you are doing side quests (seriously noone levels with guildhest farming or mob chain farming). Killing enemies on side quests will be slower for cnj than most other classes because their primary role is healing. Just keep leveling for 20 more levels then this won't matter much at all when you hit 50.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zenn3000
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12-17-2013, 03:02 AMLilysparkleI think you're overreacting quite a bit for only having played 2-3 weeks. ;o It's just one spell... o_o Quitting the game over it seems quite drastic, don't you think? Floundering game? You seem to be jumping to a lot of conclusions, I think. But okay, it is your fun and your choice of course. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zenn3000
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12-17-2013, 03:23 AMSquishton
So I've been playing a conjurer since starting the game a couple weeks ago. I'm at level 26 right now, and I have to ask, what is thunder? Please tell me it is a skill from another class and I haven't totally overlooked something I could have been using.
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12-17-2013, 03:36 AMxRitzxThunder is a DOT damage skill from the black mage class. Conjurers used to be able to use it as a cross-class skill but can't anymore after 2.1 goes live. In replacement of thunder, conjurers can cross-class blizzard 2 now from black mage. Blizzard 2 is an AOE damage skill. Blizzard 2 could really help in fates but otherwise it has little use in 2.1. So no, you didn't totally overlook an essential skill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squishton
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12-17-2013, 03:37 AMVortok
Run dungeons, the exp for them just got boosted (to probably be better than FATEs). You picked WHM so that you could primarily heal, right? There's a new one every 3 levels starting from Braylox (4 level gap for the two previous to it) all the way to 50.
And unlike FATEs, dungeons will actually give you gear. If it's your first class, there's plenty of side quests/story quests to help you level as well. Most that involve killing stuff are only a couple enemies so killing them without Thunder shouldn't be too hard. Not really any 'kill 10/15 of X' that's so common in MMOs (unless it's the Archer starting quests, lol).
Remember to use Cleric Stance when you're killing stuff. By now your Mind should vastly outpace your Intelligence, so it actually makes a difference now whereas when you first got the ability it probably didn't impact your damage at all. If you get bored in dungeons, you could throw it on and cast a few damage spells before turning it off and topping people off again. -
12-17-2013, 04:50 AMcoffeeking
i lvled my whm to 50 with fates as well...easy to do and not that boring tbh.
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12-17-2013, 06:14 AMOrophin
Maybe I'm just bad, but I never once used Thunder on CNJ/WHM. I guess I'm not really missing out on anything now.
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12-17-2013, 06:26 AMAshira
Didn't use Thunder. Isn't required to get to 50.
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12-17-2013, 07:19 AMMaelira
WHM is my only level 50 job currently, and yes I did use thunder as I leveled. It was a nice extra tool to have, but not necessary by any means. It was nice to stack it in long fights if I had the extra time to do so. I see less of a use for blizzard II than I do for thunder, at least for me in level 50 content.
For those (like the OP) who are in the process of leveling it - you will find plenty of use of blizzard II in FATES. THM/BLM's spam it galore in many FATES for a reason. Use it to your advantage. -
12-17-2013, 07:37 AMTlamilaUh same. I didn't even have it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Orophin
And really...you don't wanna do dungeons, not good but ok...conj is almost the easiest class to get gold with, never got less myself. Aero-Tab-Aero-Tab etc. if you really want to do damage. But even in fates you can heal, you knew it? Just need 1 attack. Reward is based on threat, and you should know how that is when you heal... -
12-20-2013, 08:07 PMthiago_fzs
I agree! But i think in future patchs will come more spells...
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12-20-2013, 11:33 PMTaerraThat's what I did and it worked just fine, not sure what you're complaining about ? Or grab a fate party ? guaranteed gold medal. You're only lvl 30 and already complaining about small things ? you're truly an elitist in the making.Quote:
Ha, thats cute. A Conj fate farming. Oh, theres a target…lemme quickly cast Aero on it….aaaannnnnd its dead. Oh look, another target…and its dead.
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12-21-2013, 12:30 AMAzorylIf your leveling for the first time, you don't even need to run a fate. Quests + dungeons will more then cover the entire journey to 50.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zenn3000
Fates were more useful on the 2nd+ jobs... but now.. dungeons, fates, and leve's are all good ways to go.