Best Patch Notes from any game since EVER!!

I know a lot of you aren't happy with a few things.
(And you never are)

I'm still reading the patch notes, I've only made it half-way.
WOW. >.<

I'm very impressed. This is the longest most indepth page of patch notes I've
ever read. Anyone have some favorites or confused about anything?
I said confused not whining,yes I'm talking to you with the face.

Personally I'm pretty delighted with the sheer amount of stuff we have coming in this patch. First major patch for the game and there is a huge amount for us to get our teeth into. Loads of new content and some changes to talk about and consider. Okay so they dropped the ball with the housing, but that needs one well supported thread to let the devs know what people think, not the millions of threads we have. I'd love to see threads discussing some of the many many other things dropping in 2.1, but the housing furore is killing the discussion off.

Hey, people were complaining gil wasn't that useful. Just some crafting gear end game thats it.
Maybe the prices are a bit high but here's your wish. Gil is needed more now.

Well... I know I'm being negative and I'm sorry, but a lot of this content needs to be there to keep people playing, and the Crystal Tower was supposed to be there already. I think it might be able to pacify most players for three months, at least I hope so. :)

It's done like that to stop DAT mining I guess, don't think I've seen a patch notes contain EVERY item that's going to be added, lol..

Apart from the nerfs and housing prices, it's a pretty solid patch. Enjoyed reading the patch notes, and got excited at a certain feline minion :3

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Originally Posted by Aaron_T

I know a lot of you aren't happy with a few things.
(And you never are)

I'm still reading the patch notes, I've only made it half-way.
WOW. >.<

I'm very impressed. This is the longest most indepth page of patch notes I've
ever read. Anyone have some favorites or confused about anything?
I said confused not whining,yes I'm talking to you with the face.

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Eh, if you'd said the patch note with the most number of hilariously sad typos and copy-pasta errors, then I'd agree.

As it is, I've seen longer and more impressive from Eve Online.

And for everyone one of them 1 emergency maintenance with a error 900000000000000000000000 touch

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Originally Posted by Aaron_T

I know a lot of you aren't happy with a few things.
(And you never are)

I'm still reading the patch notes, I've only made it half-way.
WOW. >.<

I'm very impressed. This is the longest most indepth page of patch notes I've
ever read. Anyone have some favorites or confused about anything?
I said confused not whining,yes I'm talking to you with the face.

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I like that we're finally getting detailed patch notes instead of "some ability was maybe changed somehow."

But... the notes themselves are kind of poor. So many typos, awkward phrasing, and things like the "ability" Marauder getting its recast reduced. Or the PLD pants getting changed from 69 def/35 m.def to... 69 def/35m.def. Or apparently those same pants being equipable by LNC and DRG before.

I understand it must've been a lot to translate but it's very confusing in some parts.

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Originally Posted by Nica

Eh, if you'd said the patch note with the most number of hilariously sad typos and copy-pasta errors, then I'd agree.

As it is, I've seen longer and more impressive from Eve Online.

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Sorry, but a few typos and errors don't take anything away from the frankly staggering amount of content they're adding.

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Originally Posted by zakalw3

Sorry, but a few typos and errors don't take anything away from the frankly staggering amount of content they're adding.

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Not saying it does, but frankly it's nothing to write home about either. Like I said, I've seen larger content patches in other MMOs, not sure why people are treating this as the holy grail of content patches. For example, Eve's Apocrypha update utterly dwarfs what's coming in 2.1

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Originally Posted by Nica

Not saying it does, but frankly it's nothing to write home about either. Like I said, I've seen larger content patches in other MMOs, not sure why people are treating this as the holy grail of content patches. For example, Eve's Apocrypha update utterly dwarfs what's coming in 2.1

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Most people aren't saying this is the greatest update ever, they're celebrating the idea that they're getting a lot of new content for a game they really enjoy.

The fact that one thing is larger doesn't make another thing insignificant.

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Originally Posted by Zorzi

I like that we're finally getting detailed patch notes instead of "some ability was maybe changed somehow."

But... the notes themselves are kind of poor. So many typos, awkward phrasing, and things like the "ability" Marauder getting its recast reduced. Or the PLD pants getting changed from 69 def/35 m.def to... 69 def/35m.def. Or apparently those same pants being equipable by LNC and DRG before.

I understand it must've been a lot to translate but it's very confusing in some parts.

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Oh! I just realized what that is.

In cutters, theres a pair of pants called "Paladin Trousers" or something like that, and its WORSE in stats than previous gear, yet for some reason its green quality, and the name has "Paladin" in it.
It cant be NEEDed on by PLDs, and its only decent for DRGs. (Unlike the body armor, which is good for both DRG and tanks.)

Well of course you liked it, they messed every job just to make war and drg viable choices

Enjoyed everything in this patch. Some people are unhappy granted. I think a lot of people are confused about the housing prices and how that system works. I've looked into it a fair bit and I can see it's fair. Of course logical arguments never trumps peoples feelings apparently. Hopefully once it's in the game and they see people start purchasing properties there will no longer be an issue and peoples concerns will be muted.

For the nerfs, some minor things but overall a good balance, again we'll see how it comes into play. Really happy with all the new content for me to enjoy.

New story quests, New dailies, mounts and minions as rewards, end game content, pvp etc etc. Got plenty to enjoy.

I agree. I just finished reading it and it is very detailed. Also a lot of stuff being introduced that i knew nothing about.

Kudo SE, kudos.

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Originally Posted by zakalw3

Most people aren't saying this is the greatest update ever, they're celebrating the idea that they're getting a lot of new content for a game they really enjoy.

The fact that one thing is larger doesn't make another thing insignificant.

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Then perhaps you should learn how to stop reading selectively, and actually read my entire post, including the one I was replying to, where he said:

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Originally Posted by Aaron_T

I'm very impressed. This is the longest most indepth page of patch notes I've ever read.

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Or you know, you can just look up at the thread title, humbly named "Best Patch Notes from any game since EVER!!"

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Originally Posted by Nica

Then perhaps you should learn how to stop reading selectively, and actually read my entire post, including the one I was replying to, where he said:



Or you know, you can just look up at the thread title, humbly named "Best Patch Notes from any game since EVER!!"

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The part I quoted said " not sure why people are treating this as the holy grail of content patches".

I replied that "Most people aren't saying this is the greatest update ever, they're celebrating the idea that they're getting a lot of new content for a game they really enjoy".

I think you should take your own advice about reading comprehension. OP is one person, most aren't like him/her.

and the people I was referring to was people like the OP, your point?

On that note, I'd also disagree with your claim of "frankly staggering amount of content", 2 new dungeons and 1 pvp arena, some daily quests and a lolhousing system that the vast majority of the playerbase won't even participate in, is not what I'd consider "staggering".

At least not in a good way.

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Originally Posted by Nica

and the people I was referring to was people like the OP, your point?

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We were having a conversation.

I honestly don't see why you're confused.

Did anyone read that the pet actions can now be macroed? If im reading that right, thats great news.

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Originally Posted by Nica

On that note, I'd also disagree with your claim of "frankly staggering amount of content", 2 new dungeons and 1 pvp arena, some daily quests and a lolhousing system that the vast majority of the playerbase won't even participate in, is not what I'd consider "staggering".

At least not in a good way.

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Of course it's subjective.
We were having a conversation.
Conversations have two sides.

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Originally Posted by zakalw3

Crystal Tower
New Dungeon
2 New Hard mode dungeons
A bunch of story quests
Beast quests
Housing
PvP
Duty Roulette
Treasure hunt
And tonnes of gameplay adjustments
And so on...

That's pretty staggering, it's very significant especially considering the only efficient way to farm tomes was to spam the same dungeon over and over. At least now people will be able to make a choice.

And of course it's subjective, that's not the point either.

Again, we were having a conversation. Conversations have two sides.

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CT and Pharos are the only 2 new dungeons, the 2 HM dungeon are not what I'd consider "new", rehashed is more like it.

Daily quests are just that, a few quests, PvP is nice, but 1 arena only, housing in its present form is practically vaporware for the vast majority of people. Treasure hunt I'd toss in the daily quest portion, as you are locked to 1 per 18 hours.

Duty Roulette is no more of a "content" than a new login menu would be, and game balancing is just that, balancing, if that qualifies as new content to you, then I have to say your bar for what qualifies as new content is set very low indeed.

Is it good? yes. Is it sorely needed? hell yes.

Is it staggering? other than the staggeringly terrible housing system, not in my book, not by a long shot.

Ok, I removed that post because I didn't want to bicker with you, you seemd more in the mood to tell me I was wrong than discuss it.

Still, as you've insisted...

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Originally Posted by Nica

CT and Pharos are the only 2 new dungeons, the 2 HM dungeon are not what I'd consider "new", rehashed is more like it.

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Say what you want, it's still new content. You've not tried it yet, so you don't know how your experience is going to weigh up against what you know. You might find these dugneons to be the most fun you've ever had in game, the feel and changes made to them might surprise you and make you consider them more than worthy of the "new content" moniker.

Regardless, if we're going to be pedantic about it they're new content no matter how you spin it.

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Originally Posted by Nica

Daily quests are just that, a few quests

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Yep, a few more quests to do each day to help add a little variety.

Little things add up.

This is a good thing.

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Originally Posted by Nica

PvP is nice, but 1 arena only

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And, again, you've not tried it so you cannot possible say that that "one arena" isn't enough.

It is also very likely the foundation for future expansions.

The addition of PVP in a FF game is a pretty big thing, too.

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Originally Posted by Nica

housing in its present form is practically vaporware for the vast majority of people.

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Not really.

I think the vast majority of people are actually in a position that small housing suits them and matches their FCs accumulated wealth.

Forums are the minority, that's a fact. I'm sure the housing math was done based on server/world wide stats, not just on those who frequent the forums.

Still, both sides of this is speculation, and regardless, the housing is still a large content addition.

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Originally Posted by Nica

Treasure hunt I'd toss in the daily quest portion, as you are locked to 1 per 18 hours.

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Again, all these little things add up.

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Originally Posted by Nica

Duty Roulette is no more of a "content" than a new login menu would be

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No, it's content. The dungeons that you run through on your way to 50 currently just feel like stepping stones, not something to revisit on a maxed job. Now, with DR, they're viable content you can revisit as a maxed job. This means you max job has been given new content to explore in a viable way, a way that actually adds to your own progress AND lets you help the community.

I have no idea how you can argue this isn't content or a GOOD thing.

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Originally Posted by Nica

and game balancing is just that, balancing, if that qualifies as new content to you, then I have to say your bar for what qualifies as new content is set very low indeed.

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A large amount of gameplay reblancing for the good of the game is a good thing. It is part of the content.

I have no idea why you're being so pedantic about it in an effort to put it down as a negative, but it feels like you have an agenda here...

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Originally Posted by Nica

Is it staggering? other than the staggeringly terrible housing system, not in my book, not by a long shot.

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It is staggering to me.

Right now, I log in and myth cap by running a single dungeon.
Then I go spam my profession/crafts for a while.
I might help my FC run Titan, or Coil.

Tat's pretty much it.

With 2.1 I'll be able to:

Daily quest
Daily treasure hunt
Farm/cfrat
Run end game dungeons
Run HM dungeons

Try my hand at Extreme primals and new trials

Explore the Crystal Tower

Hit Coil

Then, when I've capped my myth, or I'm feeling like I've done all I want with pve for the day, I can have a go at PvP.

To me, that's a lot of new content. I now have much more variety to a day spent in ARR, and that to me is a very good thing.

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Originally Posted by Nica

LOL, I swear, if they had designed a new login menu, you'd mental gymnastic your way to claim it as new content :rolleyes:

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And /I/ swear they could add the actual best content patch of all time and you'd find a way to put a negative on it.

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Originally Posted by Nica

Fact of the matter is, nowhere did I try to claim the new stuffs are not good, I've flat out said they are,

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No, you've gone out of your way to express every single aspect of the patch as a negative thing to downplay its significance.

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Originally Posted by Nica

my point this entire time has been that it is neither "the best evar" nor "staggering" by MMO standards.

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You have one example of a single patch for an extreme niche game to back this up.


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And here we go again:

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Originally Posted by Nica

Yes, because not proclaiming everything is the BEST THING EVARRRR = making it negative.

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Stop being dishonest. It's there for everyone to see in clearly marked quotations. You took every single aspect of the new content and spun it as a negative, every single one.

"only 2 new dungeons"
"rehashed is more like it"
"just that, a few quests"

And so on...

You have very clearly made up your mind, and have a negative agenda.

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Originally Posted by Nica

BTW, I'm still laughing at you trying to claim duty roulette as new content.

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Then you're being very silly and pedantic with your definition of "new".

DF makes old content that wasn't viable for progression of your max job, as content that is now viable for progression of that job. IE: tome acquisition. This means you have dozens of dungeons you can now use to progress while at the same time aiding those lower than you.

Is it new content in an absolute way? No.
Is it new content for level 50 job progression? Yes.

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Originally Posted by Nica

No, I started simply saying the OP went overboard in proclaiming the savior of all things MMO has arrived, and you're the one that jumped on me for being a negative nancy because I'm not on the gravy train.

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No, I simply offered the idea that most people don't consider the OP#s way of thinking as correct, therefore hinting he was an outlier of sorts, or inexperienced, or perhaps just sharing a minority opinion.

There are lots of reasons why many might consider this the best patch ever, and they're very easy to figure out.

Opinions.

Still unsure why you're having difficulty here.

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Originally Posted by Nica

An extreme niche game eh? you do realize that game has about the same subscriber count as FF14 right? and no, I only used one as an example, what, do you want me to go list everything from every game?

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It's a niche game, that's something even the devs admit and even revel in.

And yes, please do list more examples with proof, because for a content patch that isn't a paid for expansion we are getting a lot here, and your claim that it's small in comparison to the average is just not true.

Best patch ever
Unless your a White Mage
Or Black Mage
Or Summoner
Or Bard
Or someone wanting to buy a home.

LOL, I swear, if they had designed a new login menu, you'd mental gymnastic your way to claim it as new content :rolleyes:

Fact of the matter is, nowhere did I try to claim the new stuffs are not good, I've flat out said they are, my point this entire time has been that it is neither "the best evar" nor "staggering" by MMO standards.

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Originally Posted by zakalw3

And /I/ swear they could add the actual best content patch of all time and you'd find a way to put a negative on it.

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Yes, because not proclaiming everything is the BEST THING EVARRRR = making it negative.

BTW, I'm still laughing at you trying to claim duty roulette as new content.

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No, you've gone out of your way to express every single aspect of the patch as a negative thing to downplay its significance.

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No, I started simply saying the OP went overboard in proclaiming the savior of all things MMO has arrived, and you're the one that jumped on me for being a negative nancy because I'm not on the gravy train.

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You have one example of a single patch for an extreme niche game to back this up.

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An extreme niche game eh? you do realize that game has about the same subscriber count as FF14 right? and no, I only used one as an example, what, do you want me to go list everything from every game?

There are a lot of tiny quality of life changes in 2.1 that I absolutely love. A LOT. Too many to name. Stuff like options to fix my camera distance, the sort button, auto-skipping cut scenes, just a dozen little things that will make playing... nicer.

Sadly, I have to take that along with my primary class getting nerfed and leve exp getting nerfed for the crafting classes I was finally about to start raising with that shiny new sort button to help with the dreadful inventory management. Meanwhile, I don't even care about any of the new supposed "content" (Don't care about housing, hate pvp, loot lockout on CT, computer too slow to do EM Primals). So I'll spend the next 3-6 months doing beastman dailies and weeping quietly that I didn't get my crafts power leveled before December.

Not that I'm going to "ragequit and take 500 of my friends with me" but when the two best things about such a long-anticipated patch are a sort button that should have already been there and a myth cap increase, you sure won't catch me dancing in the streets.

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Originally Posted by Aaron_T

I'm still reading the patch notes, I've only made it half-way.
WOW. >.<

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I agree with you 100% I know they had a large backlog of content and patches that they wanted to drop with 1.0, so instead waited until now. But still it is very impressive.