Two star food fix?

So I was reading the notes and just wondering if I missed it (didn't see anything but really long patch notes)

Are they fixing two star food to actually be worthwhile?

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Originally Posted by zdub303

So I was reading the notes and just wondering if I missed it (didn't see anything but really long patch notes)

Are they fixing two star food to actually be worthwhile?

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No.

/10char

"Players will no longer lose the effects of food items upon being incapacitated."

Use ctrl find. It's about half way down of that wall of txt.

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Originally Posted by Asdamine

"Players will no longer lose the effects of food items upon being incapacitated."

Use ctrl find. It's about half way down of that wall of txt.

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I meant more along the lines of the +% being so much lower than lvl 45 food that they aren't worthwhile to use until ~ilvl 100-110

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Originally Posted by Sigred

No.

/10char

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Yeah that's what I was afraid of... kind of a bummer. Oh well, at least the level 45 food is cheap!

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Originally Posted by zdub303

I meant more along the lines of the +% being so much lower than lvl 45 food that they aren't worthwhile to use until ~ilvl 100-110

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I don't understand, are you saying the bouns stats from food are low? I use La Norcea Toast and it gives me +15 vit, I don't consider it to be that low. In fact, anything above that is kind of overkill.

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Originally Posted by Asdamine

I don't understand, are you saying the bouns stats from food are low? I use La Norcea Toast and it gives me +15 vit, I don't consider it to be that low. In fact, anything above that is kind of overkill.

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He's talking about Two Star Food. The max amount of Vit you can get is more than Toast, but since the % is so low, NO ONE can get it, and you actually get less stats out of it than lower level food.

For Example:

La Noscean Toast

Vitality 3% Max 11
Accuracy 2% Max 7
Parry 4% Max 18

Finger Sandwich (Double Star Recipe)

Vitality 2% Max 15
Accuracy 2% Max 9
Parry 3% Max 22

My Paladin has 480 Vit outside of a party currently. You can get full VIT benefit from Toast with less than 400 VIT. Finger Sandwich? You'd need 750 VIT. Something no one has.

But let's do some Math.
My current stats. My Acc is high since I had to switch over gearing Healer to Tank so I don't have optimal pieces yet.

With Toast With Sandwich
VIT: 480 491 489-490
ACC: 497 504 506
Parry: 501 519 516

Accuracy is the only stat I'd get more of from the Double Star food. And that's the least useful. The rest are worse.

Fix? it dont need one.

i Have 491 vit, 534 parry, 470 acc.

Toast HQ 5% parry(23), vit 4%(14), acc 2% (9)
Finger HQ 4% parry(27), vit 3%(19), acc 2% (11)

Toast HQ buff me [parry 23(max), vit 14(max), acc 9 (max)]
Finger HQ buff me [parry 21,36(no-max), vit 14'73(no-max), acc 9,4(no-max)]

Using finger i lose 1,64 parry, but i get more vit and acc.
Wearing better gear will improve my stats, so finger sandwich HQ give me more stats than toast.

The matter is, "you must use the food will improve you".

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Originally Posted by rappa

Fix? it dont need one.

i Have 491 vit, 534 parry, 470 acc.

Toast HQ 5% parry(23), vit 4%(14), acc 2% (9)
Finger HQ 4% parry(27), vit 3%(19), acc 2% (11)

Toast HQ buff me [parry 23(max), vit 14(max), acc 9 (max)]
Finger HQ buff me [parry 21,36(no-max), vit 14'73(no-max), acc 9,4(no-max)]

Using finger i lose 1,64 parry, but i get more vit and acc.
Wearing better gear will improve my stats, so finger sandwich HQ give me more stats than toast.

The matter is, "you must use the food will improve you".

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I think you may have missed the point.. the 2-star food, which has very time consuming ingredients and requires a great deal more crafting gear to HQ should really be a better option all around than anything that doesn't even have a star. Kinda like how for the other crafts, the 2-star sets are on par/better than Darklight.

With what you show, you gain .73 vit, and .4 acc (which are not going to do much of anything, and you will literally need hundreds more of the stat before that number gets anywhere near to a significant gain). Buying/farming the 2-star food versus the lower level Toast just doesn't make a lot of sense when you look at cost versus actual gain. The max numbers mean nothing if the percentages put those numbers so far out of reach that the only players that can attain them already have BiS of all their gear, meaning they've cleared all the content.

Unless you're arguing that the food only granting full benefit when you no longer need it is the way to go. In which case I have to disagree.

The mats need by toast and finger are close similar.

Toast:
6 Fire Shard *
5 Water Shard *
1 Walnut Bread
1 Buffalo Milk *
1 Apkallu Egg
1 Smooth Butter
1 Maple Syrup *
1 Olive Oil *

Finger:
1 Fire Cluster *
1 Water Cluster *
1 Walnut Bread
1 Apkallu Egg
1 La Noscean Lettuce *
1 Smooth Butter
1 Volcanic Rock Salt *

Having a miner lvl 50 you will get 15 volcanic rock salt, 15 fire cluster and 15 water cluster per hour.
The rest of mats you can buy NPC, market or logging.

If you have no time, lvl 50 culinarian and other HOL, then Toast is your option.

It's not about how many of what you can get in an hour to craft it, it's the % gain of a specific stat on 2 star meals compared to lvl 45 ones that he is talking about

I'm one Allagan Ring of Fending short of all iLevel 90 on my Paladin, and taking that ring into account, if I were to make the switch to crafting HQ Finger Sandwiches, I would still lose 1 Parry, gain about 1.5 Vitality, and 1 Accuracy. Granted, my level 90 pieces are not the agreed upon "optimal setup", as I took what I could get, but even then, we're looking at +1 stat increases.

In exchange for that minor increase, I would need to drain 1 Fire Cluster and Water Cluster for each synth. Look at Armorer, Blacksmith, Carpenter, Weaver, Goldsmith, and Leatherworker, and tell me the stat increases on their zero star to two star items are that insignificant. I'm pretty sure all the Culinarians are asking for is fair treatment. There is simply no reason to use my 2 star food at the moment, because the increase is so terribly negligible.

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Originally Posted by Lecreuset

It's not about how many of what you can get in an hour to craft it, it's the % gain of a specific stat on 2 star meals compared to lvl 45 ones that he is talking about

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The thread is about fix 2 stars food.
Now we are talking about what is more useful. coil gear, CT and DL: toast > Finger. Patch 2.2 (gear ilevel 95-100) finger > toast

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Originally Posted by rappa

The thread is about fix 2 stars food.
Now we are talking about what is more useful. coil gear, CT and DL: toast > Finger. Patch 2.2 (gear ilevel 95-100) finger > toast

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How do you know before any of the gear is actually announced, that it's going to be enough of a stat boost to actually achieve the max percentages (or even enough to give more than 1 more point in any of those stats). I'm not sure if you noticed, but in full ilvl 90 gear he gained a whooping 1 point in two of the stats. So if we go along current gear progression, and assume they aren't going to have that major of a stat boost, then ilvl 95-100 gear really isn't going to net that much better stuff.

Also, who says that crafting stuff can't be improved when new content and gear is released? We have no information on 2.2 yet. There could be entirely new foods and recipes added (along with new gear since ilvl 90 will no longer be top tier).

I am guided by jewelry

Hoplite: 8 vit - 8 parry
DL : 10 vit - 12 parry
ilvl80: 12 vit - 14 parry ???
allagan: 15 vit - 16 parry
ilvl100: 18 vit - 18 parry ???

You get 2 vit per jewlery, 10 vit set complete.
Gloves 2 vit more.
Belt 3 points
chest and head, boots and legs around 20-30 points more
Weapons and shield 6 - 8 vit

Full ilvl 90 will give you around 50 vit more.
Using toast = 14 vit capped.
Using Sandwich 16 vit

Tuesday i will test one thing.
Atm, Finger sandwich give me 14 vit. I use a mega potion +50 vit. Finger sandwich would give me 16 (2 more vit) or still 14 vit.

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Originally Posted by rappa

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Alright, so assuming they don't give anymore crafting recipes ever for gear increases. You're saying that the 2 more vit is totally worth the cost of water/fire clusters and the timed food gathering? That's of course assuming you are decked out in full ilvl 100 gear, which means once again, you've already cleared all content you'd need the food for. Sorry but I disagree.

I am also more inclined to -only- go with what is out currently. They could just as easily release other gathering nodes and foods that would render the fingers still useless.

If they don't make the % bonus on the finger sandwich the same as la noscea toast, then it won't really be useful until we're progressing on turn 11 of coil in patch 2.5 sometime in the middle of next year.

Sounds like an oversight and kind of silly to me...