Sorry my TV is very far away. i mean Trigger of course
Disclaimer: Don't get me wrong people. I know the game is new and these MMO can take a while to become great. doesn't mean that they don't need to listen to suggestions in the mean time. Also I have a lot of faith in SE to make this the best MMO i have played (in time).
The 2.1 patch is very nice and all but it fails to add enough core elements to the game to be worthy of coming back to play. Basically me and my friends quit a while ago because we got bored of the fate grind. I can only imagine that the amount of people logging in anymore is dropping fast even though this patch may renew some of the lost fire in most even if for a short time.
The problem with the game in its current state is that when it comes down to it really the only thing your going to be doing and is worth your while to level up in the game is to grind fates. Lets face it Fates start off ok and fun but the fun dies out very fast as you realize they are fairly uninteresting and have a very copy/paste feeling about them. They are nothing more then a dull version of a Rift from that game. If you've played Rift the only thing here you can do is agree. The GW2 event system even fared a bit better but that one is debatable at least.
My point is that those other games held your attention longer because they did not force you down a leveling path like we all hate. A very good example is Tera for that.
They need to give us a variety of ways to level up our characters to keep us interested so that our "Jobs" don't actually feel like Jobs.
Options are nice because while they don't cater to everyone your likely to please more people by having them keeping everyone happy.
Don't like or got bored of Fates? Try finding a large group of monsters and see how high you can get your Exp chain...why did they put those chains in there anyway if you can't really utilize them by leveling up this way!!!!? Possibly just nostalgia from past games. Don't like having to level that way? Then don't. since when did having a choice hurt you. Maybe you like to grind dungeons for exp. You get a chance at those awesome dungeon gears that way also!!! How about some daily quests or even daily hunting logs. I always liked the idea of those logs but they just well.... Ran out
My point here is that these other leveling options would be nice and fun and you can technically kinda do them but they are all not practical because nothing even comes close to the speed of leveling up grinding Fates so your wasting your time by not just grinding Fates.
I don't see the harm in having these other leveling methods match the leveling speed of Fates. I get that the game devs wanted us to experience Fates and not go off and get max level ignoring them completely BUT if you strip the community of free will and choice your game will ultimately fail. Thats the direction Successful MMO's need to head in these days.
So i wrote this because here i am with a itchy trigger finger waiting to come back to a game with AMAZING potential for greatness.
Itchy Trirger Finger
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12-13-2013, 02:24 AMShperaxItchy Trirger Finger
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12-13-2013, 02:28 AMcoffeepotz
Did you know dungeons are getting an exp. increase?
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12-13-2013, 02:29 AMShperaxAn excellent step in the right direction. A baby step howeverQuote:
Originally Posted by coffeepotz
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12-13-2013, 02:30 AMTiggy
Someone didn't take even 5 minutes to find upcoming 2.1 patch info, and then comes and complains about some problems the patch will fix. *table flip*
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12-13-2013, 02:34 AMShperaxI'm sorry but these are not complaints they are suggestions to make the game better and yes 1 idea that is there is implemented in patch 2.1Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiggy
I however would not hold my breath about the possibility of dungeons being a equal method of leveling up until you've actually played the patch. -
12-13-2013, 02:36 AMzdub303What other kind of options do you want/need? Don't just say its a baby step and then provide absolutely no alternatives...Quote:
Originally Posted by Shperax
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12-13-2013, 02:38 AMShperaxI'm sorry my post must have been above your reading grade level to read the entire thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by zdub303
Its more then just bringing in new elements into the game to be equal leveling to Fates its making existing ones equal. -
12-13-2013, 02:40 AMZeille
FATE's are entirely optional. You do not have to do them. They are the fastest way of gaining exp currently, but they are also mindless and boring. If efficiency is all you care about, then FATE grind. If however, you'd like to actually have fun playing the game, go do dungeons with friends, or leve quests, or grind out some mobs that drop stuff worth gil while leveling your chocobo, or whatever else you find entertaining. There is no race to 50.
You are not forced to FATE grind. I've leveled two classes now on strictly dungeons, because I enjoy them. SE has given you an option for faster leveling, without it we'd hear non-stop complaining of "Why do I have to do dungeons to get exp /sadface, I want to exp solo /tears". The complaining won't stop with the boosted dungeon exp either, because MMO players are fickle. You don't even know what you want.
FFXI had slow leveling and people complained. FFXIV has fast leveling and people complain. Dungeon exp is still "fast enough", but ya'll like to whine.
Take your time and enjoy the game. -
12-13-2013, 02:43 AMEightbitBut isn't that what they are doing? Making existing dungeons give more exp? That on top of other options being added.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shperax
Other than that all I see is you acting like you know what is coming exactly, while in reality no set numbers have been given. -
12-13-2013, 02:50 AMShperaxI thought someone would say something like this. Its a point to make them equal so we can feel like that have given us a choice and not guided us down path A or B. etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Zeille
(A) being fast
(B) being slow but you can do it if you choose.
In its current state 90%+ people will only level up 1 way in the entire game.
Its also a means to spread people out. don't tell me you haven't tried to do fates and can hardly get Gold because there is just simply too many people doing the and it dies too fast or before you even get there. -
12-13-2013, 02:52 AMPronsolo
Still plenty of folks here on hyperion!
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12-13-2013, 02:53 AMZeille
There are other areas to FATE grind in that are not packed with the sheep. Explore. Gold is pretty easy to get when there's three of you doing the FATE.
Who cares if 90% of the player-base does something one way? Do your own thing. -
12-13-2013, 02:57 AMShperaxYes it is 1 thing that is being added however unconfirmed whether or not it will be a leveling method.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eightbit
What other options do you know of being added? People always get so defensive and angry in these posts like im trying to ruin their game experience when in fact im trying to start a constructive conversation to help improve gaming experiences for all. We can only hope SE does read posts and notes things.
Its worth trying none the less -
12-13-2013, 03:10 AMScribeQuote:
Originally Posted by Shperax
Shperax,Quote:
Originally Posted by Shperax
If you're trying to start a constructive conversation than being rude to people is hardly the way to foster a helpful conversation.
You're making it seem like dungeons are not a leveling method. Dungeons are a leveling method, whether they receive an experience boost or not, people level up using these. Whether you decide to use them or not, that's your decision and I'm not going to bash you for deciding to use dungeons or not. You cannot state that dungeons are not a method for leveling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shperax
I would recommend you read the 2.1 notes that were released recently, I don't have a link to it handy, however there are more methods for leveling being added, including additional side quests and beatmen tribes. I do not know more off the top of my head, however there are a few being added.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shperax
Finally,
If you dislike this game because of it's inability to provide a broad number of means to level your character, then you may want to go ahead and find a new game to play until this game has some time to grow. Assuming you haven't read the 2.1 patch notes, there is a large amount of content being added. It is not all content that you can use to level your character, however it is content that will draw people to the game nonetheless and provide additional content for us to clear and have fun playing. -
12-13-2013, 03:18 AMCodek
If your goal is simply to reach lvl 50 as fast as possible then choices is not really something worth requesting. It's not practically possible to balance out XP gains since the community will always sway the effects depending on what they label as "the best!". They give a minor boost to dungeon XP and this can lead to a massive drop off on fate farming, which will lead to fates taking longer to complete and the XP gain dropping like a rock. Speed runs will also kick in which will simply boost dungeon XP gains to unexpected levels. You change it to mob chaining and suddenly it's all about who can get the most BLM's into 1 party, also complaints that not enough spawn or it's too repetitive. Leve quests could (in theory) have balance but those are still limited in the end anyways.
The players have too large of an impact on how XP is gained so it's impossible to expect that all methods of farming will be equal.
Now, if you want choices...Then I think this game does a fairly decent job! Plus the addition of PvP and housing as alternative means of escape, I can't really see why anyone would willingly choose to not change things up a bit from time to time. -
12-13-2013, 03:20 AMTiggyThey are raising dungeon exp by 50% specifically for the reason to make the dungeons more viable for level up. You're just positing what-if scenarios based entirely on the worst possible outcome. In this case that would be that the exp boost isn't adequate to catch up to fates. You're just being cynical that you can even trust Yoshi to do exactly what they said they would do in the patch notes. This entire conversation isn't constructive since it's premise is clearly flawed and cynical, and is entirely a "what-if" scenario. IF you want to provide more ways to level then suggest other options instead of clearly bashing their attempts to resolve the issue as somehow "unconfirmed."Quote:
Originally Posted by Shperax
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12-13-2013, 03:25 AMAlhanelemThis patch is huge. Also, if you've quit, how are you posting here?Quote:
The 2.1 patch is very nice and all but it fails to add enough core elements to the game to be worthy of coming back to play.
if 3 new dungeon runs, a raid, 4 new bosses, new quests, PvP and other content don't add enough "core elements" (whatever those are) to the game for you, then nothing will.
You know, maybe you should try it before shooting it down in a ball of flames?
They will be improving other EXP options in this patch. But what business is it of yours the way other people level? If you don't want to level a particular way, then don't. Maybe it wont be as efficient, but it will be a lot more fun for you. But both dungeon EXP and levequest EXP will be increased, and im sure the daily quests will give EXP too. All this talk about 'not adding enough' and your real complaint seems to be difficulty of EXP? Come on....Quote:
Its a point to make them equal so we can feel like that have given us a choice and not guided us down path A or B. etc
(A) being fast
(B) being slow but you can do it if you choose.
In its current state 90%+ people will only level up 1 way in the entire game.
TL;DR you are shooting down this patch and the game even though it is addressing the very things you're complaining about. -
12-13-2013, 03:38 AMShiobanQuote:
Originally Posted by Shperax
Nothing requires you to do fates, there are many ways to level your classes, FATE's are just one option. Just because it's the fastest, does not mean you have to do it.
As other people have said, there is a ton of new content being added to the game. Bearing in mind this game has only been out for a few months, which currently on its release client has achieved more interesting and well thought out content on launch than the majority of the MMOs I've played in the past 5-6 years.
And all of this was done in two years, be patient or simply continue playing other games.
•FATE'sQuote:
Originally Posted by Shperax
•Quests
•Guildhests
•Guildleves
•Field Mobs
•Exploration
•12 Lower-Level Dungeons
•Hunting Log
You DO have a variety, more-so than most games which would simply consist of quests, and field monsters and the occasional dungeon.
Daily Quests are coming in 2.1Quote:
Originally Posted by Shperax
Dungeon EXP is being raised
Grinding Mobs on the field was the whole point of having your hunting log (which were designed as a boost to your EXP not your main source).
Mob EXP chains can and will level you up, it's just not as fast as the other methods, you're arguing the point that not everything is as fast as the other, this is completely intentional, you have more than one option available to you when it comes to leveling.
(/shrug) I'll re-iterate, FATEs aren't the only way they're simply the fastest way, if you choose to bore yourself by spamming FATE's over and over again then of course you're going to get bored. Try something else for a change, there are many other options available to you other than zerging one fate to the next for hours on end.Quote:
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P.S. For someone making fun of other peoples spelling and grammar, yours is truly atrocious. -
12-13-2013, 03:44 AMEstellios
Dungeon XP is going to be "almost triple what it currently is" and "better than FATEs" and they are also boosting guildleve XP to not be a complete joke.
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12-13-2013, 04:10 AMOrophin
- Dungeons receiving a 150% boost in XP.
- Guildleves and Guildhests will benefit from the Armory Bonus. (extra 50% xp, might put battle leves in line with FATEs in terms of speed and XP rewards)
Couple this with the fact that they're adding daily rewards for running dungeons and Guildhests and you're going to see a lot more people doing these.
Don't know about you but I'll never FATE grind again after this patch. I'll only do them if I'm out and about and it's not out of the way to do it. -
12-13-2013, 10:00 AMDoctorPepperI hear that! I'm totally with you on the FATE boycott after 2.1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Orophin
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12-13-2013, 10:50 AMWelsper59Quote:
Originally Posted by Shperax
I'm guessing you haven't actually tried to be in an exp pt in this game. Rather, you haven't tried being in an exp pt that's doing things correctly. Implying exp parties don't exist (or work) in this game is a very ignorant statement, and one that clearly lacks first-hand knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shperax
Exp/hr in a party done right is noticeably higher in many level ranges, and merely on-par for others, when compared to FATE grinding. People just don't have the patience for it because the "easier" option is to FATE grind... yet they will always complain about it being too easy because it's the laziest option available. Or perhaps they just fail to learn how to adapt to a different method of exp grind.
So as far as existing options are concerned, and the boost to dungeon exp in 2.1, what's the problem with FATEs actually being 2nd best? This argument about FATEs beating out every other option is silly. Especially when you consider changes coming to the foreseeable future. -
12-13-2013, 11:19 AMSavage12Just a fyi you can still post on the forums after your sub ends.I stopped playing a month ago but will check the forums from time to time to read them because i find them funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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12-13-2013, 11:33 AMNihonnickIt's because this is 1 of god knows how many doom and gloom post's from a person who quit, and comes across as you're opinion is a fact that a large majority of the player base has.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shperax
Everyone has there own opinion of everything. If you wanted a constructive conversation on how to "Improve the game" then don't start with "this is wrong/bad" and also present all you're points only when you yourself have all the information in hand. -
12-13-2013, 01:49 PMReiszRieI agree with the need for variety but what you're advocating is for there to be levelling methods that yields exactly the same efficiency as FATEs, this is unrealistic, in every game, theres always an optimised levelling method, one way that allows you to level faster, this is simply human ingenuity... players are never forced to take that path, they simply chose to take that path because they choose to level with the fastest method.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shperax
FATEs are the easiest method to level only because players chose to band together in mass groups to overpower FATEs and make them easy
I, for one would be levelling my alts via dungeon runs in 2.1 regardless of whether it is on equal efficiency as FATEs