Allagan Axe vs. Bravura +1

The only reason I'm for the Allagan axe is the stat increase coming in 2.1 (presumably), however no matter what combination of gear I use, i have more ACC than I need.

Here's my current BiS Build for 2.1: http://xivdb.com/?wardrobe/5479/Taal's-BiS-WAR

Is the Det/DMG increase over the huge parry buff is worth it?

EDIT: changed materia on Accessories because is incorrect materia caps.

Socketing mind? Is there some mind interaction with our self heals I'm unaware of?

Oops those are supposed to be Vit2's

EDIT: Fix'd

10 Materias on each ring?

XIV has issues with placing on 2 of the same ring, they are socket'd with Vit IV + Parry IV + Det IV + Det IV + Vit II.

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Originally Posted by TaalAzura

Oops those are supposed to be Vit2's

EDIT: Fix'd

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Its that secret mind based lalafell strategy... you can't hide it from us!

I've been found out.

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Originally Posted by TaalAzura

XIV has issues with placing on 2 of the same ring, they are socket'd with Vit IV + Parry IV + Det IV + Det IV + Vit II.

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Is Det better than Crit?

2x DET IV is a waste, pretty sure you can only have 8 det on ilvl 70 acc

Don't want to cap parry on the ring?

Allagan Axe is worthless if you have the Allagan Head as +1 gives you Parry (much more useful than det/crit rate in 2.1) and you're already at the Acc cap unless you really want that Skill Speed from Hero's accessories. Determination scales your damage linearly whereas Crit is % chance, so unless you're trying to get higher crit chance on IB (not nearly as useful in 2.1) then DET will more reliable than Crit. So if you do want to maximize DET, then crafted DPS gear and the Allagan axe is for you. If you want the maximize parry, Allagan accessories, Allagan Head, and +1 Bravura are for you.

Also the +1 Bravura glows pink, so consider that as well. ;D

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

Allagan Axe is worthless if you have the Allagan Head as +1 gives you Parry (much more useful than det/crit rate in 2.1) and you're already at the Acc cap unless you really want that Skill Speed from Hero's accessories. Determination scales your damage linearly whereas Crit is % chance, so unless you're trying to get higher crit chance on IB (not nearly as useful in 2.1) then DET will more reliable than Crit. So if you do want to maximize DET, then crafted DPS gear and the Allagan axe is for you. If you want the maximize parry, Allagan accessories, Allagan Head, and +1 Bravura are for you.

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But the allagan axe will (most likely) offer a higher DPS, which outweighs the parry IMO. And i have the Helm, but I'm not sure if I want to +1 my Bravura before buying the body and hoping the Axe drops soon.
Also the +1 Bravura glows pink, so consider that as well. ;D

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

Is Det better than Crit?

2x DET IV is a waste, pretty sure you can only have 8 det on ilvl 70 acc

Don't want to cap parry on the ring?

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I'm almost positive it caps at 12, but i couldn't find a definitive number for it.

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Originally Posted by TaalAzura

I'm almost positive it caps at 12, but i couldn't find a definitive number for it.

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The cap for all other secondary stats is 12 (parry, accuracy, crit, etc). Det does not cap the same way, it has the lowest cap value of all stats (lower than primary stats). It caps at around 75% of the other secondary stats (8 in this case).

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

The cap for all other secondary stats is 12 (parry, accuracy, crit, etc). Det does not cap the same way, it has the lowest cap value of all stats (lower than primary stats). It caps at around 75% of the other secondary stats (8 in this case).

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Changed the materia.

I would really like to see this thread progress. Especially on the topic of BiS for warrior, since I've been trying to figure it out for the longest time. However, I would prefer a BiS that considers no crafted equipment. Please note I said prefer, so I'll stick to this topic since the OP factors crafted items into his BiS.

Even they buff the allagan Axe to ilv95 I think Relic+1 will still be the BiS unless we have better stats from EM quest weapon (CRT+PRY will be great).
Because Relic (ilv80) to Relic+1 (ilv90) give +2 damage and +3 to +5 other stats. I think ilv95 Allagan will give +1 damage, +2 STR, +3 VIT, +2/3 Det, +3 ACC more than the current one and ACC is unless now (other BiS pieces give 475 to 480 ACC with tank food).

Why did u choose Allagan Axe + AF2 head? none of them give PRY. For the reason I listed above, I think Relic+1 + Allagan Head is the way to go.

Strictly tanking wise 1 WPN DMG and 2 STR Probably 1 Det 1 Acc changes in 2.1 won't make up the difference what Bravura Parry offers in terms of defense. However, what you should weigh is whether come 2.1 will a Warrior be TP starved or not, if TP starve is still an issue Skill speed is a detrimental stat (Which I doubt). Along the lines too is that 2.1 will be introducing new ilvl 90 weapon which may be more optimally budgeted for tanking.

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Originally Posted by TaneshimaPopura

Strictly tanking wise 1 WPN DMG and 2 STR Probably 1 Det 1 Acc changes in 2.1 won't make up the difference what Bravura Parry offers in terms of defense. However, what you should weigh is whether come 2.1 will a Warrior be TP starved or not, if TP starve is still an issue Skill speed is a detrimental stat (Which I doubt). Along the lines too is that 2.1 will be introducing new ilvl 90 weapon which may be more optimally budgeted for tanking.

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sks shouldn't be detrimental, at most it will be useless. If I am short on TP and my GCD went off I will just wait for one more auto attack before using another skill.

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Originally Posted by ImDingDing

Why did u choose Allagan Axe + AF2 head? none of them give PRY. For the reason I listed above, I think Relic+1 + Allagan Head is the way to go.

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Mainly for the increased DMG output on the Allagan axe, plus being able to use DPS food over need acc, albeit losing even more parry ontop of that. However if the Ex weapon offers Parry and Det/crit, that will surely be BiS over both.

The patchnotes said something about changing Allagan hands from parry to det so not sure about them anymore.

Heavy Allagan Gauntlets
Before: STR+18, VIT+20, Accuracy+21, Parry+15
After: STR+18, VIT+20, Accuracy+21, Determination+1

Heavy Allagan Cuisses
Before: STR+29, VIT+33, Determination+24, Parry+24
After: STR+29, VIT+33, Critical Hit Rate+34, Parry+24

I like the cuisses

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Originally Posted by Baci

Heavy Allagan Gauntlets
Before: STR+18, VIT+20, Accuracy+21, Parry+15
After: STR+18, VIT+20, Accuracy+21, Determination+1

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Gotta hope that's DET+11 or so instead of DET+1.

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Originally Posted by Baci

Heavy Allagan Cuisses
Before: STR+29, VIT+33, Determination+24, Parry+24
After: STR+29, VIT+33, Critical Hit Rate+34, Parry+24

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Oh wow, that's pretty sweet. Might make up a little bit for our -10% IR.

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Originally Posted by Sleigh

Gotta hope that's DET+11 or so instead of DET+1.

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Pretty sure, there are a lot of typos in the patch notes.

http://xivdb.com/?wardrobe/4669/Warrior

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Originally Posted by Churchill

http://xivdb.com/?wardrobe/4669/Warrior

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Change the bracelet to maiming since DTR > Skill Speed

Also my build gives a better overall stat build, with the only downside is the .25 less dps: http://xivdb.com/?wardrobe/5479/Taal's-BiS-WAR

If you aren't going to go full Fending or full Striking/Maiming, you should be using Gryphonskin.

I think those two items were changed because they were identical to the Myth stuff for WAR. Interesting that they chose to put crit on the legs though, as that is the only crit on any of our i90 gear.

As far as I'm concerned, both of those changes were nerfs, though the gloves is only minor.

Parry > DET > Crit

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Originally Posted by TaalAzura

Change the bracelet to maiming since DTR > Skill Speed

Also my build gives a better overall stat build, with the only downside is the .25 less dps: http://xivdb.com/?wardrobe/5479/Taal's-BiS-WAR

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If you use the melded accessories, yeah, you can build a much better hybrid. Two reasons why I disagree with doing this (at least from a "What you should get" perspective): 1) It's very costly, especially on servers that aren't like ours and 2) While gil doesn't have a lot of use/value, it has the potential to weigh more heavily in the future for things like PvP armor/weapons or i90 crafted, etc. It being replaced eventually while not make/breaking your success in any content makes it very costly.

If we needed that Hybrid build to even beat Turn5, then by all means. As it stands, we won't even need close to that and by the time we might, it'll be 2.2 and better gear will be available. Again, not that the hybrid isn't BiS, rather that the effort to go from nothing or DL to that is less worth it at this point than other options. I will be doing it myself though.

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For reference, in terms of DPS -

This: http://xivdb.com/?wardrobe/4669/Warrior

is ~4.5% behind this: http://xivdb.com/?wardrobe/5479/Taal's-BiS-WAR

which is ~4.5% behind this: http://xivdb.com/?wardrobe/6139/Warrior-Hybrid