AK - HM Primal Gear requirements?

Ive recently undertaken farming WP for tomes, and so far have only earned enough to buy a few pieces of my DL set. As WP is getting a bit monotonous, I have been thinking about venturing into AK, and trying for Ifrit HM for a new weapon.

Ive tried AK once, and while I eventually got through it, I found healing through Demon Wall to be a painful experience.

Should I continue to farm WP for DL gear before returning to AK or attempting Ifrit HM, or is gear not as relevant as learning the fights?

most can do ifrit hm with just AF gear, but if you have DL thats good too. If you have WP gear you're def ready for ifrit :)

WP, AK, and Ifrit are all made to be done as a fresh level 50 in AF. Demon wall is just a learning experience honestly. After a few kills you will become a pro and that fight will be no problem. It is also a fight that has difficulty that is dependent on the rest of your party. If everyone is getting hit by AOEs every time, it is a nightmare.

Decided to try ifrit. I imagine it was pretty sloppy, but we managed it. Got Ifrits Codex first shot =).

In terms of Tome farm, is there any reason to choose AK over WP? Is one faster than the other? Does it really matter?

Thanks for the replies btw!

Demon Wall really is mostly a damage dealer's fight.

AK is great for upgrades. For example when I upgraded my Darklight chest+head to the myth chest, I needed to fill the head slot with the AK helm. The AK ring is another item that has some value, because you can only equip 1 darklight ring, the other must either be myth ring or BC ring.

Besides the chest+head and the legs+feet pieces upgrade problem, there's really no big reason to run AK.

WP is mostly speedrunned and thus people don't go for them chests. The loot in AK is pretty good too as said above. When I enter lvl 50 with a character. I use a grand company weapon. Start relic quest and go do amdapor keep/ifrit. As soon as you have a few DL/AK gear, go do garuda, and keep running AK for tomes and gear. It is a great place to farm for alts as well. Once you are mostly/fully geared, go do Titan HM. Perhaps you might want to farm garuda for her weapon as well if you think you cannot manage titan.
Once that is done, you have your relic. And unless you are farming gear for alts you can leave AK alone and go speedrun WP with your awesome char if you need tomes for yourself or other classes.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

WP, AK, and Ifrit are all made to be done as a fresh level 50 in AF. Demon wall is just a learning experience honestly. After a few kills you will become a pro and that fight will be no problem.

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This. Don't run from AK because the Wall is tough. Practice AK because the Wall is tough. Teach people who don't know what to do. It's a great way to learn to be better at your class.

If you're tome farming you should do WP. WP will not generally get you any upgrades from doing the dungeon itself. IE the drops that are in there are terrible
There are upgrades that drop from AK but it does take longer and generally Demon Wall holds up DF groups pretty badly.

Even HM Garuda isn't TOO bad if you just know what you're doing and understand the mechanics.

Titan HM is going to be a nightmare if you don't have a group of people you can do it with. I was DFing Titan just for the hell of it (crazy right?) and the groups were so bad. It was impressive how bad they were. Titan is what you need gear for mainly because you wont survive stomps and the occasional misstep if you're undergeared.

3200hp for a healer/caster seems to be about the magical number to survive.

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Originally Posted by Githiun

If you're tome farming you should do WP. WP will not generally get you any upgrades from doing the dungeon itself. IE the drops that are in there are terrible
There are upgrades that drop from AK but it does take longer and generally Demon Wall holds up DF groups pretty badly.

Even HM Garuda isn't TOO bad if you just know what you're doing and understand the mechanics.

Titan HM is going to be a nightmare if you don't have a group of people you can do it with. I was DFing Titan just for the hell of it (crazy right?) and the groups were so bad. It was impressive how bad they were. Titan is what you need gear for mainly because you wont survive stomps and the occasional misstep if you're undergeared.

3200hp for a healer/caster seems to be about the magical number to survive.

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At the moment I am just farming WP for tomes so I can obtain a full DL set. Only 3 more pieces to go. As of right now, I've burned through ifrit hm, and garuda hm with ease. AK just seems like an inconvenience. I get that there is gear to be had there, but the dungeon just rubs me the wrong way. For the time it takes to run one AK I could have done 3 WPs, or at least thats whats ringing in the back of my head when I run it.

Upon the advice of those replying to my thread (thank you all, you're awesome!) I have decided to try and farm AK a bit. I've gotten Demon Wall down, but its still a pain in the ass and I hate it XD.

At any rate, thanks for all of the advice.

I hit 50 two weeks ago, and since I don't have much time to play(barely 1h/day), I decided to farm Ifrit for the weapon(DF only, and wasn't that bad once I learnt the fight, only a couple of misses, mostly because of ppl leaving), then AK for the AK gear since with the time I have to play, I think only getting DL chest would take me a whole week, maybe 2. I was knid of scared the first time I entered AK, but the PT was awesome(3 of us from Exca, tank from DF) and it was smooth. NO wipe. I ran it 3 more times and never wiped, although I did die on the demon wall but managed to heal everyone so they could burn that brick bastard. Got a couple of nice gear pieces. Once I drop the pants, I guess I'll try Garuda HM, and after that farm the WP for one month in order to gear me for Titan.

Doing Garuda HM with 3-4 AK pieces of gear, Ifrit's cane, and 2 DL is ok?

Oh, and I've never tried WP yet, mostly because I'm scared of those crazy speedrun tanks. Guess I'm the opposite of you, OP.

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Originally Posted by Clerks

Doing Garuda HM with 3-4 AK pieces of gear, Ifrit's cane, and 2 DL is ok?

Oh, and I've never tried WP yet, mostly because I'm scared of those crazy speedrun tanks. Guess I'm the opposite of you, OP.

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It should be ok to go Garuda with your gear. Especially if you got a FC run going on, then it should be no problem at all.
WP is okay~ish if you DF it. I've been doing my tome farms for each relic as SCH DF:ing WP and only once so far have I gotten a bad tank (as in, Sword Oath, half Vit, half Str gear, mostly spamming Rage of Halone on bosses, no not the combo, just RoH).
Sometimes I get tanks who want to run semi-speedrun but never have I gotten blamed/flamed for bad gear (currently 2 Vanya nq pieces, relic, DL boots and AK gear / crafted 49ilv jewelry).

I haven't got a FC yet, but I guess it should be about time. Thing is, with the short time I have to play, I don't want to be a burden for the FC, as I will mostly be needing help and not have much to offer. Maybe I'll create the "1 hour per day FC."

Thanks for the answer, and see you on Exca!

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Originally Posted by Clerks

Oh, and I've never tried WP yet, mostly because I'm scared of those crazy speedrun tanks. Guess I'm the opposite of you, OP.

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Haha I suppose. WP is just easier for me. I've done it so many times I know the fights inside and out and what to expect 98% of the time. You should be fine with Garuda HM. I did it with 3 pieces of DL, Ifrit Weapon, some AF pieces and a couple of mid 40 pieces. Maybe Ill start getting on Demon Wall again here soon but I dont know. I genuinely hate that dungeon XD

WP is a cake walk. I personally dont like AK either. I got my ring and GTFO. I don't go back, just not a fan of the zone. It's a biotch to heal IMO.

Idon't think it's fun. Looking forward to all the new zones in a week

I don't know, I personally hate Garuda HM with passion so I'd never farm it for all the gold in the world. Did it to get completion and was lucky enough to drop weapon, otherway I'd have rather tried Titan with Ifrit staff or farmed tomes for a crafted one then set foot there again. I really like AK, I find it fun, I used to hate it and fear it at the start because of Demon Wall, but once you get used to it it's not an hard dungeon but still has enough not to make you fall asleep. I tend to do that rather then WP because WP as healer is imho terribly boring and I also don't like the pressure of tonnies chasing you. I find AK more relaxing and challening at the same time, so. Plus yeah, by farming there I now have the whole set for all classes, so basically all my future fresh 50s will be directly in l60 gear, not bad if you ask me. (all the other classes but mine ofc, ended up with getting AF2 top and hat before ever dropping AK ones...and I have yet to ever drop ring too...while I dropped the whole tank and DoW set multiple times already). Though I agree, DFing WP can be painful or not but even when painful it's fast and almost always succeds, with AK DF you can get both the best run ever and the worse run ever.

Did Garuda HM yesterday for the first time and have to say I absolutely love that, easy and flawless fight, never even wiped once!
But, back to topic:
Gear is Full DL except of pants and neck (both gryphonskin with materia for crit), one ring (Toxote), earrings (rosegold with speed materia) and bracelet (Myth); weapon is Sarnga (HQ with 5 crit materia).

If you are having problems HEALING Demon Wall..i would practice it. Titan hm will probably be a little more difficult than that.

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Oh, and I've never tried WP yet, mostly because I'm scared of those crazy speedrun tanks. Guess I'm the opposite of you, OP.

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Dont. If a tank is demanding a speedrun in duty finder he's doing it wrong. Besides its mostly about tanks/healers gear, it doesnt really get harder for you if there are 3 mobs or 6.