Coil lockout: a small request

Hello,

After putting in a good deal of time into coil I feel like a small change could be made to relieve some of the coil issues I've been seeing on my server as well as within small groups of fc's that I participate with.

Please allow for up to 3/4 players, who have already completed the turns, to join with others who have not. 3/4 players alone will not be capable to carry turns, this will dissuade any turn sellers but also allow a lot of people to help fill in needed slots of other groups. Since you have the ability to lock out loot rolls this should be a simple task to convert that to members whom have completed turns. Offer a meager myth award(10~) for their assistance.

I like helping people out, unfortunately I don't have that option. Please let me have that option.

this x a million. please.

bumping for great justice! :)

I'd take this over nothing, though the myth reward could be left at 50. It's not like the myth will unbalance things since you'd still hit cap and stop just like spamming WP/AK

Even better: Make the lock out per role. You can only enter as a tank one time a week. Only once as a healer, only once as a dps. The armory system is at the core of the game, this would let us enjoy the content on the different roles and instantly triple the content available to endgamers. Since you can only need on your current class, this really won't noticeably speed up main class progression ( go back in as not paladin he two tanks in that run will likely need any drops). Sure, some will say "well, instead of just one night a week I'll log in three nights a week." Its that much more.

This is a simple and instant fix that requires little to no dev-team effort. The fights are already there, they are already balanced, the lock out system is even already there. Just instead of tracking the character, track the role (clearly there is a way to do this since duty finder works and thus the game can track your entry as a given role.)


Please change coil to lock out based on role.

This would be amazing!

Totally agree.

On my server it takes hours just to find 1 or 2 extra players to even do T1 with.

As more and more quit, this is only going to get worse and lead to more quitting.

I guess I'm the only person who likes the system as it is. I don't like people going back into turns after beating it once, it will get a lot of people carried through turns who didn't learn the fight properly. It will also lead to "selling coil 1-4 500k" depending on how it's done.

If you're not getting far enough into it you need to try and find a static group. My group is an LS comprised of people from many FC's and the roster is constantly changing but we've managed to get to turn 5 several times despite only raiding once or twice a week for a couple hours.

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Originally Posted by Kerikeron

I guess I'm the only person who likes the system as it is. I don't like people going back into turns after beating it once, it will get a lot of people carried through turns who didn't learn the fight properly. It will also lead to "selling coil 1-4 500k" depending on how it's done.

If you're not getting far enough into it you need to try and find a static group. My group is an LS comprised of people from many FC's and the roster is constantly changing but we've managed to get to turn 5 several times despite only raiding once or twice a week for a couple hours.

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I'm gonna have to disagree entirely with you on this. I feel this is extremely reasonable as a compromise between the groups that simply need to fill a couple spots and a preventive method for turn selling and carrying. It's very unlikely that 3/4 people can simply carry a group through the mechanics or to sell a turn. My static group makes it easily to turn 5 every week within an hour, yet what about my friends/FC/LS members who just need a dps or just needs a tank to help out with turn 1 later in the week?

This is not a case of fill the group with 7 coil progressed people and a new person to get them gear or sell them the gear. At most, half the team cannot be locked to the coil turn. This leaves the other half + to either meet the dps requirements, have strong enough healers, or geared enough tanks to survive. IMO 3 would be my sweet spot of coil turn cleared people that you can take with you to help. Generally most statics just need 1-2 people to fill and in rare cases 3. Once you get in to 4 people it becomes close to pug territory.

I feel pretty sure that you will be the minority in this case. Most people I know would be grateful for a change to the improve the community not disband/segregate it. :)

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Originally Posted by Kerikeron

I guess I'm the only person who likes the system as it is. I don't like people going back into turns after beating it once, it will get a lot of people carried through turns who didn't learn the fight properly. It will also lead to "selling coil 1-4 500k" depending on how it's done.

If you're not getting far enough into it you need to try and find a static group. My group is an LS comprised of people from many FC's and the roster is constantly changing but we've managed to get to turn 5 several times despite only raiding once or twice a week for a couple hours.

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Some weeks I only get in for Turn 5 kills in my FC due to having everything I want from T1-T4. It would be nice if I could run it with other people on weeks when this happens on T1-T4 instead of just being locked out of all the turns because I did Turn 5.

I would be so happy if coil lockouts were done by Role (Tank, Healer DPS). Would give me more to do in a week.

+1

/10char

As this is still relevant and is worth looking into. Bump! :)

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Originally Posted by PiedPiper

Even better: Make the lock out per role. You can only enter as a tank one time a week. Only once as a healer, only once as a dps.

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I agree with this 100%. Had I known when I started leveling my other 3 jobs I would only be allowed to raid with one role I would have made them all separate.

I can see it now.
Selling BCoB turns 1-5 10 million gil.
Sorry, this is a bad idea.

I just hope if u entered or completed T5, u still can go to other turns as long as you haven't complete it. It is easier to get party and save a lot times.

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Originally Posted by AmandaHuggenkiss

I can see it now.
Selling BCoB turns 1-5 10 million gil.
Sorry, this is a bad idea.

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Carry with 3 people.
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Originally Posted by AmandaHuggenkiss

I can see it now.
Selling BCoB turns 1-5 10 million gil.
Sorry, this is a bad idea.

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How does it affect you if someone wants to buy Coil?

One of the games selling points was to have every class/job available to a single character with the switch of a weapon. This really only comes in use during leveling content. You are still binded by a single character lockout and the limits set forth by a single character (retainers, tomes, etc) Since this "feature" is primarily being used during leveling content, why not just level an entirely new character to obtain what can't be by utilizing one of the games key points?


I don't understand what is so wrong for people to want to make better use of a games feature instead of ignoring it all together. While some people will sell (and buy) I am sure that many others will use it as it would be intended as to run 2 or more different jobs throughout a run. Ultimately, this could be created in a way that would discourage people to switch up job roles mid way through Coil due to certain turns being better off with specific classes. A lockout is created for your Job, if you want to switch at turn 5 to single tank Twin?? well, there you go, both your lockouts are now saved to turn 5 for that week.

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Originally Posted by Hioki

Carry with 3 people.

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Go in Titan HM Duty Finder, 3 people carrying the group in there is about as common as a Dragoon stopping to lick every red circle that flashes up near them.

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Originally Posted by Grembo

Go in Titan HM Duty Finder, 3 people carrying the group in there is about as common as a Dragoon stopping to lick every red circle that flashes up near them.

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Were talking coil not titan. Almost all the turns have an enrage timer, titan does not. Even cad has an enrage timer. 3 People cannot carry 5 others through 1-5 as they will very likely meet the enrage. It's not worth defending their opinion, it's a dead end argument and anyone with some coil experience will/should know better.

Perhaps make it so only 1 of each TANK/DPS/HEALER on lockout can enter (or perhaps 2 DPS). This way you don't have an unbalanced loadout (two OP healers, or two OP tanks, etc), and there is a core trinity with experience for the new players to build upon. This will help the new players to LEARN mechanics and build progression, without handing it to them.