Leaving a FATE early

Something I noticed as I've been FATE levelling...

I was levelling my SCH in Coerthas and we were fighting the Cyclops. At about half health, the Svara 3 FATE chain spawned. Suddenly, a mass number of people, including my party members began to teleport away as the boss' HP got lower(knowing that they had already gotten gold), leaving fewer people to kill the boss...

There were too few people(and no tank) left to finish the battle. People either died from the boss' AOE or just gave up and joined the zerg rush on Svara. We still got exp from failing, but I imagine we could have still gotten full exp AND beaten Svara if people weren't so greedy. It's annoying since this is one of the few FATE battles I enjoy since it's somewhat challenging. It also wasn't the first time I experienced this. There was a time when the Roc, Lightning FATE and Svara all spawned close to each other, with people abandoning the fight left and right. It was a disaster and that time, it was actually the Svara FATE that ended up unfinished.

I agree this is horrible game play. I can not see how they over looked it . You can clear gold whole basically MPKing everyone else.

They should also think about color coding FATE's on map according with % health remaining. This will help people decide which FATE to go to better.

Best solution is to have only one fate up at a time. This foolishness of 3-7 fates up at once is just plain stupid.

Here is another solution for this. Do not give any reward for a FAILED FATE. The "HEROES" did not win and now the mob(s) is free to terrorize the world at its leisure.

Sorry, but I do not believe in participation rewards. You want the reward then finish the job you started.

I think what everyone said is a great ideas, except for

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DMCain
Best solution is to have only one fate up at a time. This foolishness of 3-7 fates up at once is just plain stupid.

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Because people are all over the map doing different things and not all of them are the same level of FATE, and giving players a few different things to choose from is nice.

I really like

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Arjon
Here is another solution for this. Do not give any reward for a FAILED FATE. The "HEROES" did not win and now the mob(s) is free to terrorize the world at its leisure.

Sorry, but I do not believe in participation rewards. You want the reward then finish the job you started.

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Removing rewards for Failed FATE would really help with this problem.

Wouldn't even need to strip the reward for failing. Just reset FATE progress if the FATE wipes and the monster resets. Better yet reset FATE progress if you leave the vicinity. Work it like Reives in 11 and if you're out of the radius for 5-10 seconds you're reset.(Though arguably reive HP isn't reset like FATE monsters so in some cases this would be a double penalty.)

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Originally Posted by Lithera

Wouldn't even need to strip the reward for failing. Just reset FATE progress if the FATE wipes and the monster resets. Better yet reset FATE progress if you leave the vicinity

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or even if you just aren't there at the end of the fate. I got left being the only person completing a fate boss with 10% of his health left as a healer the other day cuz EVERYONE left the fate early. kinda pissed me off.

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Originally Posted by Arjon

Here is another solution for this. Do not give any reward for a FAILED FATE. The "HEROES" did not win and now the mob(s) is free to terrorize the world at its leisure.

Sorry, but I do not believe in participation rewards. You want the reward then finish the job you started.

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complete support

Wouldn't the obvious answer just be to only give you the FATE reward if you're inside the FATE area when it's completed?

Of course, people would still leave for Svara then because missing the opening events would probably cost you more than you'd gain. Can you really call someone trying to get the most EXP for their time greedy in what is essentially unorganized solo content?

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Originally Posted by Unmotivated

Wouldn't the obvious answer just be to only give you the FATE reward if you're inside the FATE area when it's completed?

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First they would need to fix the many scenarios where the mobs actually spawn outside of the fate area. I'll agree reseting all progress if you venture too far away would work.

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Originally Posted by Alkimi

First they would need to fix the many scenarios where the mobs actually spawn outside of the fate area. I'll agree reseting all progress if you venture too far away would work.

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But if you're at the other side of the map when the FATE finishes, win or lose. Then you should lose all contribution. As was in Coerthas, saw a couple of people doing one of the smaller boss fates, 1 tank and a dps, so I joined in on my PLD. at around 45-50% HP, I got aggro, other tank TPd away to dragonkeep knowing he had already got gold.

So yes, go past a point of distance from the fate and lose all contribution so you gain zero. Twice the diameter of the Fate is highly reasonable to cover bleed over with mobs.

Implementing "Being too far from fate area won't give u the exp, except when u died" will solve the problem ;)

I don't agree with no rewards for failures. As a late night player there are many fates I participate in that we just do not have the numbers to win. I'd prefer a system where if you are out of a certain range of a fate you do not get any reward. That way the people who bail early get nothing but the people who hang on in an attempt to finish it still get their rewards for trying.

Warhammer: Age of Reckoning had a system (not sure if they still do) that would deny rewards to folks who were too far away from the battle when it finished. It was awful. I'd spend 45 minutes assaulting a keep, wind up dying while fighting the "boss," and it would end while I was running back from the friendly camp. No reward despite full participation, as if it was my fault that I didn't get healed.

Implementing a similar system for FATEs would just be ridiculous given the lack of overall team support during FATEs (another problem with the system).

I saw that recently too, when I called someone out on it they wondered if I had a problem with them doing that...they flat out asked me...so I flat out told them, I don't have a problem with you leaving a fate, I do, however, have a problem pulling your weight and doing your work for you.

It's a terrible self entitled greedy gamer play style I see all too much these days.

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Originally Posted by Kaloran

Warhammer: Age of Reckoning had a system (not sure if they still do) that would deny rewards to folks who were too far away from the battle when it finished. It was awful. I'd spend 45 minutes assaulting a keep, wind up dying while fighting the "boss," and it would end while I was running back from the friendly camp. No reward despite full participation, as if it was my fault that I didn't get healed.

Implementing a similar system for FATEs would just be ridiculous given the lack of overall team support during FATEs (another problem with the system).

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Just cut the reward 50%, if you're only put in half the effort, then you should only get half the reward.

there is also another thing that need to be fixed at FATE.

The situation is,

A small group of people is killing the Svara, we all doing good until the Svara reach 20% HP. There might be only 1 tank in the group and his aggro too high. He walked away from the FATE ring, and the Svara followed him too. After the Svara walked out from the ring, it walked back to it spawn site and the HP reset. That's so sick, and the time run very low.

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Originally Posted by Wafflebob

I don't agree with no rewards for failures. As a late night player there are many fates I participate in that we just do not have the numbers to win. I'd prefer a system where if you are out of a certain range of a fate you do not get any reward. That way the people who bail early get nothing but the people who hang on in an attempt to finish it still get their rewards for trying.

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I agree with this guy, so many fates I have failed due to not enough people being there, fates got buffed by how many people on it so if too many show up, the mobs got too much HP for small number of people. People have accepted that if they going to fail might as well get to the other fates before timers run out to maximize the xp. I like how fates were before the patch, it was fast to finish them but now they take forever. bird boss roc next to the keep, it took only 2 minutes to kill that boss with a 2 man group, now takes 3-4 minutes, maybe even 5 if too many show up

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Originally Posted by Kaloran

Warhammer: Age of Reckoning had a system (not sure if they still do) that would deny rewards to folks who were too far away from the battle when it finished. It was awful. I'd spend 45 minutes assaulting a keep, wind up dying while fighting the "boss," and it would end while I was running back from the friendly camp. No reward despite full participation, as if it was my fault that I didn't get healed.

Implementing a similar system for FATEs would just be ridiculous given the lack of overall team support during FATEs (another problem with the system).

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I played WAR as well, and it wasn't that good of a way to handle it. I'm sure you'd just see more corpses on the ground waiting for a battle rez than people who want to reset their progress. I almost feel like everyone wants to over engineer a solution to a problem which might not be too common. I certainly think the system can be improved but I don't think we should cut off our nose to spite our face.

I don't think it's really an issue considering everyone has the same options as everyone else. If you choose to stay after everyone else has left and you have no chance of winning while everyone else goes and does another FATE...that's your choice.

I do think leaving before it's finished sucks, but people should be able to choose how they spend their time earning their xp, and if that means bailing in the middle of a FATE to go work on another one, so be it. Not sure there's a fix that wouldn't just cause more problems, besides, I'd rather have SE spend their time working on other things that actually affect gameplay than try and fix this issue that really isn't hurting anyone.

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Originally Posted by Katchii

people should be able to choose how they spend their time earning their xp, and if that means bailing in the middle of a FATE to go work on another one, so be it

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People should be able to, yes, but not if the mechanism of that choice harms others.

How about this:

Each player can only maintain contribution on 1 FATE at any given time. And when you enter a new FATE, your old contribution are lost forever. On top of that, if you are outside the FATE radius when it fails, you get no rewards. Only those inside the radius of a failed FATE would get the rewards.

This way people who die and run back have it the way they are now. (Although they need to be careful not to cross any new FATEs.) But people who leave early for another FATE will have to wander outside the new FATE and wait for the previous one to finish. If so many people leave that the previous FATE fails, they got nothing while those who stayed at least got something.

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Originally Posted by Worm

I played WAR as well, and it wasn't that good of a way to handle it. I'm sure you'd just see more corpses on the ground waiting for a battle rez than people who want to reset their progress. I almost feel like everyone wants to over engineer a solution to a problem which might not be too common. I certainly think the system can be improved but I don't think we should cut off our nose to spite our face.

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I'm pretty sure we agree?

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Originally Posted by Zfz

Each player can only maintain contribution on 1 FATE at any given time. And when you enter a new FATE, your old contribution are lost forever.

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This is already gold. Don't need another one. The problem is that people is skipping on one FATE to munch on another, not that people are leaving. if you force them to stay with one FATE, they'll try to finish one as quickly as possible