Synth/Craft Guide Part 2: Input

So part2 of the guide is under way and this post can serve to hold all the feedback and ideas about what needs to get included. Keep in mind a lot of stuff was covered in part1 (20 pages) so basic stuff won't be covered again.

Currently Intended-

effects of food (going to be doing bigger data sets this time, 100/100)
new abilities tested - perfection , high return and others
topics on risk
topics on rank changes (rank spread as you grind the same item how sometimes it's easy/ sometimes its hard)
testing mag craft again ( some mh tests)
anatomy of progress(dealing mostly with 70% progress on)
testing some risk based abils
Getting more into the economic and material differences between DOH classes.

feel free to add anything that comes to mind. I cant promise i'll add everything but ill certainly read them.

Sorry, I missed the first guide. Can you link me?

There you go Jet :)
http://www.technomicon.com/GameTech/...h-5-21-11.html


Edit- Few people have already hit me up in game.

-Added item definitions( what parts materials decorations etc actually refer to and how they pertain to specific abilities in terms of performance)
-Orb sparking mid synthesis
-Benchmarks on nq vs hq parts, performance outcomes of making parts with these material types.

Added
- performance test on craft heavy sets vs. control heavy set vs. balanced set for grinding ( +5 ranks up or more)

Great job with the first one! I would like it if you could put in more info about the various crafting abilities

Will do, actually a lot of people are helping me on the next guide. more data sets, more explains etc.


- just an update so people know where i'm at, looking at about 2-3weeks or so before part2 is done(will post when its polished up).

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Originally Posted by twinkles

Will do, actually a lot of people are helping me on the next guide. more data sets, more explains etc.


- just an update so people know where i'm at, looking at about 2-3weeks or so before part2 is done(will post when its polished up).

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I'm not that high up in my crafting, but would you like any help with anything?

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Originally Posted by Alzelia

I'm not that high up in my crafting, but would you like any help with anything?

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Thanks Alzelia, are you on Bodhum? At the moment help mostly refers to storage of materials and outcomes. So many people wanted specific items tested this time around that i basically tossed around the suggestion to provide and store the materials for things they wanted tested over and above to what i had planned(went over pretty well).

As for doing the data sets ( batch tests) i prefer to do them myself. Not that i don't trust peoples methods, but i guess if I'm going to write stuff as factual i feel better knowing its first hand observation.

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Originally Posted by twinkles

Thanks Alzelia, are you on Bodhum? At the moment help mostly refers to storage of materials and outcomes. So many people wanted specific items tested this time around that i basically tossed around the suggestion to provide and store the materials for things they wanted tested over and above to what i had planned(went over pretty well).

As for doing the data sets ( batch tests) i prefer to do them myself. Not that i don't trust peoples methods, but i guess if I'm going to write stuff as factual i feel better knowing its first hand observation.

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I'm on Istory

Ahh cool, well the best help you can provide (and this is actually very helpful) is ask questions/ provide topics that i haven't covered or haven't covered in depth enough. The downside to being more along with crafting ( by no means the best on my server or even an expert) is that i can easily gloss over or miss things that are obvious concerns to people starting out might have.


got a really good one last night from a peep in game- effects if any of using support on items that don't need support (pretty sure it doesn't but i'll give it a go)

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Originally Posted by twinkles

Ahh cool, well the best help you can provide (and this is actually very helpful) is ask questions/ provide topics that i haven't covered or haven't covered in depth enough. The downside to being more along with crafting ( by no means the best on my server or even an expert) is that i can easily gloss over or miss things that are obvious concerns to people starting out might have.


got a really good one last night from a peep in game- effects if any of using support on items that don't need support (pretty sure it doesn't but i'll give it a go)

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Okay here are a bunch of random questions

What effects does output and control have on synthesis?

What does it mean "most effective for parts" or "most effective for finished products"?

What synth abilities should I equip for grinding? HQing? for a simple synth like breaking crystals that I need to do a ton of times.

Could you list the best equipment at each rank?

What gear should I equip for grinding? HQing? for a simple synth like breaking crystals that I need to do a ton of times.

What takes up more inventory space, ore or nuggets?

What abilities stack and which can't stack on top of eachother?

How do I know when to use my offhand tool?

What other general tips and ideas could you tell us?

Thanks Alzelia these are great, and actually a lot of these i am already planning to cover too( were on the same page).

I can answer your first partially , output is a gathering ability which has no affect on crafting. A lot of gear have both gathering and crafting stats on them, it sucks from itemization standpoint but i think perhaps it was SE attempt to alleviate inventory problems.

I am planning on listing what these "types" mean, as well as the usefulness of using these abilities out of type( like using abilities designed for "parts" when making finished items etc.) so were good there.

Ability swaps for hqing vs grinding is a great one that i had no included but will, since i do ability swaps all the time.

I'll definitely consider the gear set stuff, certainly i agree i should talk about gear aside from tools(covered in P1).


The stacking abilities topic is another one i've got plans to cover. With some good examples of ability combos.

As for OH/MH when to swap i pretty much go MH unless the OH tool produces HQ ( lots of parts -but not all use OH tool)

A lot of topics that weren't covered in P1 will be gone over in P2 risk/economics/grind compare contrasts between different classes, so hopefully most or all will be answered :)

Keep in mind i might scale back stuff here and there for flow/readability so just keep that in mind. :)

update- keep getting really great feedback which means sections are getting longer,also some rl work piling up, so looks like the guide2 will be pushed into early july.

Does raising element affinity to match the shards used have any affect?

that is a good one, ive seen results that say no. But certainly something i can test out. Like testing no wind affinity vs max, on something that just uses wind shards/crystals. Thanks Atothus.

Twinkles - Thanks so much I found your guide to be most helpful ^^

thanks Eli/zzapp means a lot, I just hope that part2 works as well. Ill keep you guys posted :)

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update- keep getting really great feedback which means sections are getting longer,also some rl work piling up, so looks like the guide2 will be pushed into early july.

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Yoshida???

( Seriously take your time, sounds like it will be good!)

^^Haha i thought that as i wrote it :D

Thank you Twinkles for the guide!!
I saw your video and I have a question.
While you are crafting you use the proper tools for your level (carpenter rank 33) but you wear a hi-lvl equip (dodore doublet for example). Why?
What effects does hi-lvl equip have on low lvl synthesis?
Does the hi-lvl equip work equally? better?

Bye Narako

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Originally Posted by Narako

Thank you Twinkles for the guide!!
I saw your video and I have a question.
While you are crafting you use the proper tools for your level (carpenter rank 33) but you wear a hi-lvl equip (dodore doublet for example). Why?
What effects does hi-lvl equip have on low lvl synthesis?
Does the hi-lvl equip work equally? better?

Bye Narako

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Good question, /deepbreath convoluted answer inc. Going to do this as numbered points

1. The benefit of stats from gear does not depreciate to the extreme that using a tool above rank does. For items that say "all classes" this affect is even more pronounced. In some cases using above rank items gives better stats specifically gear taht says "for all classes" or "for all DOH classes".
2. Tools that hit yellow/red decrease in crafting effectiveness while armor/rings etc do not(armor simply loses def when red/yellow). So the "penalty" for wearing gear above rank is pretty irrelevant. The penalty i am refering to is increased pace that gear loses durability.
3. The final reason is inventory. I simply can't store all the rank ranges worth of gear.