WHM BiS

Call me lazy or terrible at the search bar.....or i'm at work and don't want to get caught reading through post after post.

Anyone have a link to information on a Whm's BiS gear. I'm to the point where i'm farming Coil, getting ready to spend some Myth tomes and don't want to make a mistake.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...der=true&gid=9


Please note that Allagan staff will probably become BIS in 2.1

Yay thank you!

And wow...did you make that spreadsheet?

No found it on Guildwork

Personally I prefer spell speed over crit or determination on WHM. With a decent amount it's very noticeable. But each to their own I guess.

Piety affects your Mp/ticks. More piety = higher mp/tick in combat. Which imo makes allagan cane bis. Having 5k mp is nice too. That is not possible without the cane.

Whm problem is mana generally not throughput. Having more mana and higher mp/tick really helps. It lets you use more cure 2 , medica 2 and more raise before going too low.

Yea, if an item has no DET I pick item with more Piety. Since I view SS and Crit as equally useless. Crit heals don't have any proc for WHM, they really only give over healing and extra aggro. Allagan head, robe, hands, rope belt, ears, neck, ring and rest hero/cleric stuff. Hands could also be cleric.

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Originally Posted by sharazisspecial

Piety affects your Mp/ticks. More piety = higher mp/tick in combat. Which imo makes allagan cane bis. Having 5k mp is nice too. That is not possible without the cane.

Whm problem is mana generally not throughput. Having more mana and higher mp/tick really helps. It lets you use more cure 2 , medica 2 and more raise before going too low.

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Cane will officially be BIS in 2.1 anyway due to lv 95 so yeah just get it now if you can :P

Nice BiS list. That much det would make your cures hit 1100

I'm really on the Spell Speed Hater side :P

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Originally Posted by Whippet

I'm really on the Spell Speed Hater side :P

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I wasn't.. but i'm starting to be. Honestly i would rather be rolling heals that land as the tank takes damage rather than wait for it to happen. I thought losing spellspeed over det and crit i would notice a difference but i really don't.

Only thing i would consider over the bis jewelry is crafted jewelry for vit.
I personally like having 4500 hp unbuffed.

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Originally Posted by Eriane

I wasn't.. but i'm starting to be. Honestly i would rather be rolling heals that land as the tank takes damage rather than wait for it to happen. I thought losing spellspeed over det and crit i would notice a difference but i really don't.

Only thing i would consider over the bis jewelry is crafted jewelry for vit.
I personally like having 4500 hp unbuffed.

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You give up alot of mind for the hp though. A bit of piety lost too since i notice you can only meld 6 pie to ring? Compared to 12 pie of allagan ring and 8 pie of darklight ring. The det on the melded stuff is way better then the ilvl70 spell speed. But allagan jewelry has DET too.

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Originally Posted by sharazisspecial

You give up alot of mind for the hp though.

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Agreed, but i haven't gotten any coil jewelry drops yet anyway. I think i will replace a few with allagan, mainly det pieces, when they drop and end up keeping one or two crafted ones.

Melded jewelry is way better then darklight. I agree.

I have been unlucky with allagan healing accessory drops too. I have only seen 2 drop since i started coil.

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With my allagan chest and af1.5 pants... it just looks like i'm not wearing any. Not that i'm complaining, its just funny.

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http://i.imgur.com/l9d57Xc.png
Wow you look like you have no pants on. Poor lalafell will get a mind scarring view.

My fc makes fun of my shorts and little legs. They say i look ridiculous but i think i look good >_>
http://i.imgur.com/RWiOqmE.png

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Originally Posted by sharazisspecial

Melded jewelry is way better then darklight. I agree.

I have been unlucky with allagan healing accessory drops too. I have only seen 2 drop since i started coil.

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I saw one ring finally drop but i didn't even get it.

Totally random but i'm amazed you can see your pants lol.

With my allagan chest and af1.5 pants... it just looks like i'm not wearing any. Not that i'm complaining, its just funny.

People fail to understand how little of a difference a BiS determination setup vs a BiS spell speed setup really makes. From another thread I posted in...

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For a determination BiS vs a spell speed BiS setup, the differences are:

Det BiS: +73 determination ( approx +30hp / cure, approx +49hp cure 2 )
SS BiS: +71ss (-0.07 seconds per 2.5s GCD ), +25 piety

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Minor differences all around. While -0.07s to the GCD is minor (but also benefits from 25 more piety), I wouldn't exactly call an extra 30hp cure a big deal either.

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Originally Posted by Nettle

People fail to understand how little of a difference a BiS determination setup vs a BiS spell speed setup really makes. From another thread I posted in...



Minor differences all around. While -0.07s to the GCD is minor (but also benefits from 25 more piety), I wouldn't exactly call an extra 30hp cure a big deal either.

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30hp per cure is roughly the difference between relic and +1, as well as the difference between putting stats elsewhere over MND. Granted the differences here are more like 40-50hp/cure but lets do the (napkin) math.
30hp/cure
10hp/second (2.5 GCD, .5 server latency)
600hp/minute
36000hp/hour
Casting cure probably only 50% of the time: 18000hp/hour
30 minute run: 9000hp
15 minute run: 4500hp

Napkin math like mad, but 30hp/cure is roughly enough to save 1 DD's life every 15 minutes, even if you are only casting cure maybe 50% of the time. If you math out to 100% of the time, it should be roughly equivalent to benediction on CD on the average tank.

That doesn't take into account overhealing at all.

Say we have a tank at 3500/6000hp. Or 4500/6000hp that takes another 1000 in damage while you're healing.

You cure for 1000 (spell speed) or 1030 (det).

3500 + 1000 + 1000 + 1000 = 6000hp capped... 3 cures, 500 overheal
3500 + 1030 + 1030 + 1030 = 6000hp capped... 3 cures, 590 overheal

Determination does nothing for these situations. Spell speed will get you there a quarter second faster. Overheal isn't exactly rare either, so I would venture to say this is a semi-common occurrence.

That said, I'm not advocating specifically for speed. I've said before I think both are viable choices and both have their positives and negatives. The differences are small.

Done some det testing.

naked with only allagan cane
307 mind
202 det

Cure 1.97 cast time
lowest heal 641
highest heal 679

cure 2 1.97 cast time
lowest 1041
highest 1093

+98 det.
lowest cure 676
highest 709

cure2
lowest 1099
highest 1158

Now spell speed +162 new gcd 2.31 gcd
cure 1.85 cast POM buffed-1.79cast
medica 2 2.77 cast POM buffed 2.15


Won't be able to do accurate tests on det until we have someone after 2.1 with full det ilvl90. To see if det has a linear effect on healing or something. This is not the maximum det or spell speed you can achieve either. Spell speed stack may have some merit if a full det set only adds 50hp? But actully both have their advantages and disadvantages. Det has stronger timed heals,better hp per mana and higher damage per cast. Speed has quicker regens and a shorter gcd.

This isn't exact, but it's roughly

5 det = 1 mind = 1.5hp per 400 potency cure. Post above me holds to this formula rather well. This gives you a general idea of effectiveness.

Spell speed is always 10 SS = -0.01 seconds off the GCD, but scales higher on higher casts, and lower on lower.

Thing about spell speed is that to make it balanced you are going to need tons of it for it to be noticeable and worthwhile (in small amounts its neither noticeable nor good because of latency and human delays though with cast ques it becomes less of a problem, it will depend on the coding of the game as well, as this can be alleviated with it, anyway XD)

Look at D3 with attack speed, lol, You didnt need much to make it noticeable, so yes, the effects were bigger, and what happened, everyone stacked attack speed because it was out of the tables OP. Like, lol. Just lol.

:D

Sorry for going off topic again! D:

I don't know about WHM BiS, all I know is that this game has very few gear choices /sadface, I guess thats normal but without being able to meld materia, and materia melding being aslo held back by stats cap on items. you really are left out with less choices for gear personalization.

Quick question with materia which should I go with Spell speed or determination?

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Originally Posted by Nettle

Spell speed is always 10 SS = -0.01 seconds off the GCD, but scales higher on higher casts, and lower on lower.

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Slightly more accurately, every 26 spell speed above your base of 341 reduces casting time and GCD by 1%. So for example 471 SS would mean 2.37s GC and 1.9s casting time for the 2 main cures.

Hmm i like the idea of 2.65 medica and 2.25 regen gcds. I am going to try for a spell speed build XD

The harsh diminishing returns on the low cast time spells is off putting ><