Should I do everything on one character?

I know I can technically do everything on one character, but was wondering if its a good idea to do so. Currently leveling a pugalist into a monk, but I also want at least a lancer into a dragoon. Was thinking of doing it on the same character because I was told I can just do fates for the second and third ect class, but I'm now thinking of doing it on two separate characters since I'll have to level up either way and I assume gear up for each class/job as well.

So yeah should I do everything on one character or split it up across two since everything has to be leveled up no matter what and I'd at least be questing instead of fate spamming for the later classes?

To get Monk as a job, you'll have to level Lancer to at least 15. Also, since Dragoon can pull from Pugilist skills, it makes more sense to do the two jobs on the same character.

Additionally, some of the same gear can be used for both Lancer and Pugilist, especially accessories.

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Originally Posted by Eirva

To get Monk as a job, you'll have to level Lancer to at least 15. Also, since Dragoon can pull from Pugilist skills, it makes more sense to do the two jobs on the same character.

Additionally, some of the same gear can be used for both Lancer and Pugilist, especially accessories.

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How bad is the grinding get lancer to 30 and i forget to 15 for a dragoon since I'm using up all of my quests leveling the pugalists and then i assume the monk? I'm actually a person that hates pointless grinding. I'd rather do the same line of questing with some instances thrown in instead of running around from fate to fate especially because so far on Sargatanas the ones Ive done have been primarily done by me with maybe another person or two

There are actually a lot of benefits when you diversify your skills. For example, Blood for Blood is a powerful damage buff obtained by cross-classing with Lancer. It is only obtainable if you level lancer to 34 however. You will find that access to these cross-class skills are beneficial. Even at low level, having access to the Protect buff and some healing can make solo-play and questing much easier.

You do gain a 50% xp bonus for completing leves and FATEs for any combat class lower than your highest level, and this does stack with the "rested" buff if you log off in a sanctuary or inn. This greatly speeds up your leveling by nearly doubling your xp gain. It is actually fairly easy to reach level 10 just by doing hunting logs and 2 or 3 FATEs. You will have new questlines starting from the cities as early as level 5. There are probably enough for 2 or 3 classes if you stretch them. After level 10, you can use guildhests and levequests instead of FATEs while finishing your hunting log. Once you reach lvl15, you can do dungeons and those should be much easier to find parties for after patch 2.1 in mid-December. Unfortunately, it does take a lot of grinding to level the alternate classes. It is just a matter if you prefer FATEs, dungeons, or quests/leves.

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Originally Posted by Anova

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How much spreading out of questing are we talking? And correct me if I'm wrong but you're making it sound like I can only max a Pugalist, Lancer, and Monk before i run out of quests so I'd have to make a new toon to make a dragoon and max its everything? So far in my search of a server I've hit level 11, but that was through doing every single quest I've found and fates/hunts I've found as I go. I haven't gone searching for either because like I said I'm not a fan of just killing X especially because so far the servers I've looked at are dead when it comes to low levels.


So yeah are you saying there's only enough quests to "spread out" for a job and its two classes before I just have to grind the fuck out of fates and how much spreading out would need to be done because like I said so far I'm doing every quest and very little "grinding"

Dungeons are getting an XP boost in about 2-3 weeks so you will be able to do those. They are also boosting the XP reward from guildleves as well as adding more quests (including repeatable ones).

So essentially once that patch hits you will have multiple viable means of leveling up besides FATEs.

And don't forget you get a 50% xp boost just for having a class higher level than your current one.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

Dungeons are getting an XP boost in about 2-3 weeks so you will be able to do those. They are also boosting the XP reward from guildleves as well as adding more quests (including repeatable ones).

So essentially once that patch hits you will have multiple viable means of leveling up besides FATEs.

And don't forget you get a 50% xp boost just for having a class higher level than your current one.

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Also logging out in an Inn and within some Aetherite areas (not in the starter cities) grants you a rested EXP bonus, use it!

Although it is a rough estimate, you will have 5 to 10 quests per level bracket (10-14, 15-19, etc) in areas around the starting cities. While they are useful, they do not provide enough experience to level all of the classes you want. Likely, if you are gaining 90% of your exp from quests as you prefer, you will max your pugilist/monk (the job "promotion" for each class shares the exp with the base class and the class and job will level up together) and just almost max Lancer/Dragoon.

I personally did hunting logs and FATEs until level 15. After that, I usually ran dungeons if I could find a group, and did quests while I waited. I tended to avoid FATEs when possible, but it was undoubtedly the fastest and most popular way to level. There is a huge problem with grinding after you finish the quests. Fortunately, this is a problem the development team has acknowledged and they are implementing a series of rewards to levequests and dungeons to make those just as effective leveling options as FATEs. Some details can be found on the temporary producer's letter thread if you're interested.

Unfortunately, they have not mentioned any plans to add more quests or renew them. Levequests are repeatable quests, but I find the combat leves to be the same four or five variations and would rather spend them to level crafting/gathering. Keep in mind I haven't tried all the combat levequests, so there might be a few gems that I missed. Either way though, you will probably have trouble leveling after the quests are expended. I found solace in dungeons, but I can't say the same will apply to you.

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Originally Posted by Anova

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Can't say I mind instances I'm just not a fan of killing stuff over and over and over.

So from what I'm getting the only reason I would want to make a second character is if I just want a different race from my Miqo'te and don't want to completely grind Maraduar and Dragoon since I'll use up most if not all of my quests leveling up my Pugilist, Lancer, and Monk to at least their useful levels if not 50. Right?

Like I've said. I don't enjoy grinding but have been trying to throw fates in when I can, unfortunately on the first two servers I tried have been pretty desolate at low level. Gonna try Baelmug next. So far seems to be lively I'll know for sure later.

If it works out and I can actually grind there with people and find a good leveling FC I could probably see myself manning up and just grinding it out. That or I may just want a new race bad enoughal and I make an elezen or hyur.

How many instances are there or what ever they're called here?

My biggest worry is that since I've so far been grinding by myself I'll have to all the way instead of when I want to like it is now.

I had similar problem with servers.. but as a EU player I've dropped lucky with Phoenix as there are plenty people running FATES and low level areas.

You don't mention whether you've looked at your hunting log yet or not? Every class gets it's own hunting log and there's some good xp bonus to be had completing each mob and rank. If you ever struggle to find any of them google dimensionaldeath . com for their hunting log list as it comes with maps for each mob.

btw.. to get monk you need pugalist level 30 and lancer level 15 and then get cross class skills from marauder so level that too.

to get dragoon you need lancer level 30 and marauder level 15 and then get cross class skills from pugalist so level that too.

So basically for both 'jobs' (monk and dragoon) you need the same 3 classes. Do you want to level the same 3 classes on a different character as well?
Have a think and then do whatever you want to do cos it's your game to enjoy any way you please :)

Yeah I just haven't found that fit as a PST player yet. Haven't checked it for a bit, but I think I've done like the first 7 of my journal.

They have the same base classes except for pugilist and marauder, but assuming I'm not misunderstanding the other person I' ve been quoting I'm just afraid that if I stay where I am it'll be ungodly annoying and painful to try and solo a lot of the fates I'm coming across so far. I'm under the impression I'll basically be forced to grind at least the Marauder and Dragoon possibly the later levels of the Lancer.

im just starting to figure if I'm going to be soloing a lot of my grinding and gearing especially on a legacy I might as well make two toons and so I only have to actually grind one class maybe.

I say go for it. I have every single class and even doh on one character. My main is lvl 40 PLD but storywise i just got to Brayflox and decided to now be a BLM instead.
I think you can also continue on the story even if you switch classes. BTW Archer has been worst for me to level. A pointer i always give to people is fastest way to level up is chain kills. Usually the enemies are the same level as you or 1 or 2 above.
Oh and the recent Lightning fates give good xp.

Yes you do not have to do the storyline on the class you start out as.

The only thing you have to do on your first class is its level 10 Class quest in order to unlock the ability to switch to others.

Also I can vouch for the hunting log suggestion that was mentioned. The log, alongside random non-boss FATEs here and there, should get you to level 15 without too much issue. Likely the reason you just haven't met many players is because everyone is past the low levels and people don't actively make groups for FATEs until level 20-ish or so where the FATE xp really takes off, and people go to specific zones for it as certain ones give a ton of XP.

There's little reason not to do everything on the same character since you can.

Your gathering classes can supply your crafting classes, which in turn can supply your battle classes. All classes benefit from cross-class skills, crafters included, which require you to level those classes. And, there may be instances where you need or want to use your Dragoon on tasks for which your Monk is ill suited or vice versa.

Items can not be easily transferred between characters on the same account, and some things which require time and effort to collect are patently untradeable.

The only real reasons to make an alternate character is because you want to look different or occasionally play on a different world.

How difficult is to gear a secondary job?

I'm really not used to games where I can have multiple classes so from my own experience in past games I usually get a starter set from questing and then move into instances, harder instances, and then raids. If I'm using up most of my quests to level up my Monk and its classes will I have any starter gear for my Dragoon?

Also do I realistically need to max every class for my jobs? I planned on maxing Pugilist and Lancer since they both build into Monk which I plan on also maxing along with Dragoon, but do I really need to max a Maurader as well?

Gearing isn't so hard. Early on, you can share a good deal of gear between similar classes; Disciple of War gear all comes with STR for PGL/LNC and DEX for ARC. Once you start running dungeons, you can get drops for whatever class you're leveling at the time (or get lucky with Greed rolls and get gear for other classes, too).

At worst, at every Aetheryte camp (plus several other spots, including the main cities), there are merchants that sell weapons & armor for the level ranges appropriate for that camp. Early camps only have weapons/armor for the classes their nearest city sponsors (e.g., camps in the Black Shroud sell LNC, CNJ, and ARC weapons, and no heavy tank armor since tanks come from other cities). You can use the merchants, or the markets (it's worth checking the prices, especially with the cost of travel factored in), to fill in any holes in your gear.

If your only interest in Marauder is for its cross-class skills to use on other jobs/classes, Mercy Stroke is the last cross-class MRD skill, and that's level 26. Foresight (level 2) and Fracture (level 6) are the other two. You could get away without Mercy Stroke for quite a while.

I'm only interested in the Maurader because I need it for Dragoon. So do I actually need to take it to 26 or is it ok keeping it at 15. Also do I actually need to max Pugilist and Lancer or just get them both to 30 for their respective jobs? My biggest worry was thinking I had to max 5 classes when I only supposedly have enough quests and other means of leveling to max 3 before I'd be forced to just mindlessly grind fates

If you want DRG and MNK, you need LNC and PGL to 30 and MRD to 15, that's it. I have no idea how useful Mercy Stroke is for DRG or MNK; you might eventually want MRD at 26 to get it, but it's not necessary, and it's certainly not something you have to worry about right now.

Note that once you unlock the jobs, LNC and DRG do not level separately, and MNK and PGL do not level separately. A job is a piece of equipment (a soul crystal) that you equip while you are on its base class. Whether you're currently a LNC (DRG soul crystal not equipped) or a DRG (soul crystal equipped), you are actually just leveling LNC.

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Originally Posted by Bixby

Note that once you unlock the jobs, LNC and DRG do not level separately, and MNK and PGL do not level separately. A job is a piece of equipment (a soul crystal) that you equip while you are on its base class. Whether you're currently a LNC (DRG soul crystal not equipped) or a DRG (soul crystal equipped), you are actually just leveling LNC.

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What. When I have this crystal equipped and I hit 1 as a Monk I also hit 31 as a pugilist? So as long as I'm leveling my Monk and Dragoon Pugilist and Lancer will be getting leveled depending on which I'm leveling, but Maurader won't get leveled unless I'm using a I think warrior crystal?

PGL = MNK and LNC = DRG. If you are leveling either of those, the respective job will automatically be leveled up alongside it. Similarly, if you leveled a PGL to 50 first, then decided to level up LNC to 15, your MNK level would automatically be 50 because PGL = MNK; they share the same level and exp, no extra grinding.

It kind of sucks in a way, because you don't learn the jobs and group dynamics as well, especially in the case of Arcanists (and probably more jobs to come). Say you get your Arcanist to 50, playing with a pet class and fighting as a DPS, then you level Conjurer to 15 and POOF! You're a level 50 healer class (granted, you have to do the class quests, but still....)

For those who didn't grow up with MMOs and prefer the instant grat method, this system is quite friendly. As a side note, if you decided to stay a PGL and not go for MNK, you could take cross class skills from ANY combat class you have leveled up instead of just two sub classes (MNK can only take cross classes from LNC and MRD, I think.) So in my opinion, it's definitely worth it to level up as many as you can on one character.

Crafting classes are a different beast, if you decide to get into materia and HQ gear eventually. The crafting classes feed off of each others cross class skills, and once you hit about level 35-40 it will be virtually impossible to craft any high quality without the use of skills from other crafting classes.

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Originally Posted by Marowit

What. When I have this crystal equipped and I hit 1 as a Monk I also hit 31 as a pugilist? So as long as I'm leveling my Monk and Dragoon Pugilist and Lancer will be getting leveled depending on which I'm leveling, but Maurader won't get leveled unless I'm using a I think warrior crystal?

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You will never be a level 1 Monk. You unlock MNK as PGL at 30, which means your MNK starts at 30. When you hit 31 as MNK, you hit 31 as PGL. And/or vice versa. You can switch back and forth willy nilly. XP you earn as MNK goes to PGL. XP you earn as PGL goes to PGL. Your MNK is whatever level your PGL is.

You gain MRD XP when you are a MRD or a WAR. You gain LNC XP when you are a DRG or a LNC.

Thanks guys that makes way more sense now.

I was under the impression it was like Fire emblem where when I hit X i got Y class at level 1 only this time instead of losing X i had to level that up separately. Thought I basically started out as a level 1 PGL and then once I got that to 10 I could then get a level 1 LNC and when I got those to 30 and 15 I got a level 1 MNK and if I wanted to level all of those to 50 I had to do them separately. I also thought once I finished that and got a marauder to level 15 I could unlock a level 1 dragoon and then level the maurader and dragoon to 50 by themselves. Meaning I thought I was looking at leveling 5 classes to 50 one at a time. Definitely was less crazy and grindy now that I understand how it will work and only have to technically level up two classes to max.

I'll definitely make at least my monk and dragoon on the same character knowing all this now. I might go ahead and make an archer and a black mage on a secondary toon but i will for sure go ahead and make my monk and dragoon on one character. Thank's again guys.

P.S. 1000char limits suck

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P.S. 1000char limits suck

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Here's why you would create one: to run Coil multiple times a week (end game). To have separate Tomestone of Mythology caps.
Here's why you wouldn't: go through all those story mode dungeons again, with all the long queue times. Especially as a DPS queueing for, say Sastasha. When your first class hits level 50 too, you gain some EXP bonus when levelling another class, proportional to the difference of levels between your current class and your highest leveled class.

You can have every class on one character, but the current Coil lock out system kinda forces you to focus on one class at the moment. You are still beginning, but as a heads up, the current most difficult end game dungeon has a weekly lock out on it. This means once you've cleared it for the week, you cannot repeat it, until the next lock out reset, which is usually 3 PM (GMT +0). This also means that, if you were to clear it as a Dragoon, you wouldn't then be able to switch to a Monk and enter it again, since the lock out is based on character. Hence why I mentioned why people might want to make multiple characters - just to run Coil multiple times. There's also a cap for Mythology tomestones at end game (currency to buy a different set of end game gear), so you'll have to choose a class you want to gear. If you're not too bothered about end game yet though, go and have some fun trying out different classes. It's been a pleasant experience for me experiencing different classes. Also, having 1 of each tank/healer/dps in a class gives you something different to do in dungeons each time.

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Originally Posted by juniglee

Here's why you would create one: to run Coil multiple times a week (end game). To have separate Tomestone of Mythology caps.
Here's why you wouldn't: go through all those story mode dungeons again, with all the long queue times. Especially as a DPS queueing for, say Sastasha. When your first class hits level 50 too, you gain some EXP bonus when levelling another class, proportional to the difference of levels between your current class and your highest leveled class.

You can have every class on one character, but the current Coil lock out system kinda forces you to focus on one class at the moment. You are still beginning, but as a heads up, the current most difficult end game dungeon has a weekly lock out on it. This means once you've cleared it for the week, you cannot repeat it, until the next lock out reset, which is usually 3 PM (GMT +0). This also means that, if you were to clear it as a Dragoon, you wouldn't then be able to switch to a Monk and enter it again, since the lock out is based on character. Hence why I mentioned why people might want to make multiple characters - just to run Coil multiple times. There's also a cap for Mythology tomestones at end game (currency to buy a different set of end game gear), so you'll have to choose a class you want to gear. If you're not too bothered about end game yet though, go and have some fun trying out different classes. It's been a pleasant experience for me experiencing different classes. Also, having 1 of each tank/healer/dps in a class gives you something different to do in dungeons each time.

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Is coil something that's puggable and doable in a short ammount of time or do I need a guild static and it will still take us three hours? if its something I can do here and there throughout the week I can see making multiple toons since it would only be a little extra work to level them all up, but if its something I'd need three different shcedules for and 3 hours a piece I can't say I want to be raiding every day for 3 hours.

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Originally Posted by Marowit

Is coil something that's puggable and doable in a short ammount of time or do I need a guild static and it will still take us three hours? if its something I can do here and there throughout the week I can see making multiple toons since it would only be a little extra work to level them all up, but if its something I'd need three different shcedules for and 3 hours a piece I can't say I want to be raiding every day for 3 hours.

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The speed at which you clear Coil Turns 1 - 4 is relative to the experience and gear of your party. For someone who is starting out Coil for the first time, you are most likely to get a party of 7 other inexperienced players, and spend hours or days wiping until you eventually clear it. At this point, you are in farm mode, meaning every week you will just clear Turns 1 - 4, and due to the lockout, you can't run them any more on that toon. You can't use the Duty Finder to get a Coil party - you'll actually have to go to Wineport and shout for a party, and hope someone takes you in (if you are pugging). Otherwise, the best method would be to get a static party, since each team may have different methods of clearing each turn in Coil.

Most end game players already have Turns 1 - 4 in farm mode, so they just wait for the weekly reset, and clear Turns 1 - 4 in about 2 hours, and are then done for the rest of the week. Unless they like crafting, or grinding more classes to level 50, some of them actually create a 2nd toon, so that they can go to Coil with a 2nd party.

If you have multiple toons, and they are all in different static parties, you will have to juggle your responsibility to each team. You'll have to find a schedule that accommodates you being available for each team you are in.

That doesn't sound to bad. I'm used to raiding a couple times a week so if it's something I can do in a couple hours one night that doesn't sound too horrible. The only challenge will be finding two groups that fit my schedule.

Is coil the only raid or do most guilds do Coil night #1 X night #2 and Y night #3?

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Originally Posted by juniglee

Here's why you would create one: to run Coil multiple times a week (end game). To have separate Tomestone of Mythology caps.

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These are two of the main reasons I see people doing so.

If you choose the multiple character route, you'll also level significantly faster as well, as each character is building it's own rested exp while offline, as well as also having separate leve quest allowances.

A lot of people say "teh gaem lets u do it all on 1 toon so do that", but just because you CAN do it all on one character doesn't mean you need to, or even that it's the best choice.

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Originally Posted by Marowit

That doesn't sound to bad. I'm used to raiding a couple times a week so if it's something I can do in a couple hours one night that doesn't sound too horrible. The only challenge will be finding two groups that fit my schedule.

Is coil the only raid or do most guilds do Coil night #1 X night #2 and Y night #3?

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Most groups do Coil on the hour of the reset. Some groups choose to do it on other days when other members are available as well. Some also prefer weekends.

Dungeon instances are managed via their Duty Finder server space. As long as there's space for your group to enter a dungeon at that time, you can go in with your team whenever you like. This also applies to all other instances, not just Coil.

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

These are two of the main reasons I see people doing so.

If you choose the multiple character route, you'll also level significantly faster as well, as each character is building it's own rested exp while offline, as well as also having separate leve quest allowances.

A lot of people say "teh gaem lets u do it all on 1 toon so do that", but just because you CAN do it all on one character doesn't mean you need to, or even that it's the best choice.

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In some way the initial dungeon grind would put some people off. For example, I for sure would not want to repeat being stuck in Sastasha again. Could be made easier if you have an FC on your main character, and you are able to find like-minded people who'd like to start a second character with you though.

Also, most of the time, you'll end up grinding for multiple classes anyway, regardless of how many characters you choose to play. Cross class skills seem to be really important. For example, just because I want to create a second character who is going to be a BRD, doesn't mean I can choose to ignore leveling PGL and LNC to their respective levels for the cross class skills. You just have the liberty of leaving out crafting classes on your second character onwards, unless you don't intend to craft at all on any of your characters (at which point, leve allowances are really not important anymore - I really don't see anyone using leves outside of crafting/gathering).