I need some advice for bard

What are the best skills to get from the other classes?
I have internal release, featherfoot, and second wind.

Also i have a question for other bards, what is the best set up for your bar? Should i go with a mix of darklight and hero?

I was told by a mage the other day im a lousy bard, i want to get better, so any advice is welcome.

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Originally Posted by ih8tonberrys

What are the best skills to get from the other classes? I have internal release, featherfoot, and second wind.

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Blood for blood from LNC 34 is another great one to get, however we might be losing it come 2.1, as we know they're taking something from us cross class, but we don't know the details of what exactly yet.

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Originally Posted by ih8tonberrys

Also i have a question for other bards, what is the best set up for your bar? Should i go with a mix of darklight and hero?

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Darklight and hero gear is good, however you'll want to research the best order to buy mythology gear in though, as some have a much bigger impact than others. Can't go wrong with the pants as your first purchase though.

Full darklight is good. Some of the ilvl 70 crafted gear can be better than darklight with optimal melds, but it will be expensive. That being said, pretty much ALL ilvl 90 gear is better than ilvl 70.

A huge upgrade is also invigorate (from the Lancer)... if you ever have TP issues an additional 400 TP every few minutes will be a great addition.

As for gear, Start with DL, Myth spending on Bard should be Pants first, then depending on coil drops, possibly gloves next. If you get gloves from T1, you can put off AF Gloves, but they will give you slightly better stats than the Allagan.

Hero's Ring is a good early upgrade as well, since you can only wear one Toxotes. (unless you have money then you could probably meld up some Gryphonskin Rings to your liking)

Hope this helps!

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Originally Posted by ih8tonberrys

I was told by a mage the other day im a lousy bard, i want to get better, so any advice is welcome.

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Just because someone tells you something, doesn't mean it's true. You're looking into advice and researching the job. That alone tells me you have good prospects. Check out FFXIV on Reddit and Bluegartr forums for advice as well and have fun.

I would start by taking off that Sipahi stuff and putting your AF back on, the strength does nothing for you, unless of course that is just your around town gear in which case just disregard :P

I'm a fairly new bard, I took Invigorate, Blood for Blood, Internal Release and Second Wind. Fifth one I'm really not sure, but I took Keen Flurry (+40% Parry rate) for some mild defensive purposes.

Feint from Lancer is also a decent one, instant cast, off global cooldown to increase DPS.

Cross class skills you want are Second Wind, Internal Release (both pre-15 PGL), Mantra (42 PGL), Invigorate (22 LNC) and Blood for Blood (34 LNC).

WP gear for you is Mercenary's, AK gear is Toxotes.

Hopefully this helps.

Is there a way to see your party members TP? I've seen a tank being a douche to someone for not knowing when to sing the TP song.

Invigorate, blood for blood, second wind, internal release and keen flurry

Roll melee instead.

Just kidding. Wise has the gist of it.

I would love to go back to what I mained in 1.0, monk or whm was just so much more my style. Not even sure how I ended up playing a bard in the first place anymore.

It's fun to play bard and all but I suggest not investing too much on it like crafted gear(especially this since crystal tower is coming out) or myth points until we see what happens in 2.1

Could be nothing but can't hurt to be careful(I'm mostly worried about invigorate being taken away). I still am going to play it though no matter what happens.. invested way too much already.

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Originally Posted by Braysm

A huge upgrade is also invigorate (from the Lancer)... if you ever have TP issues an additional 400 TP every few minutes will be a great addition.

As for gear, Start with DL, Myth spending on Bard should be Pants first, then depending on coil drops, possibly gloves next. If you get gloves from T1, you can put off AF Gloves, but they will give you slightly better stats than the Allagan.

Hero's Ring is a good early upgrade as well, since you can only wear one Toxotes. (unless you have money then you could probably meld up some Gryphonskin Rings to your liking)

Hope this helps!

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Not sure why you would even suggest the bolded print, DL Ring of Aiming and Hero's are both great pieces, but I would recommend an HQ Spinel before I mentioned Toxote's Ring. It's that bad. :/

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Originally Posted by Classikal

Not sure why you would even suggest the bolded print, DL Ring of Aiming and Hero's are both great pieces, but I would recommend an HQ Spinel before I mentioned Toxote's Ring. It's that bad. :/

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What? The extra 2 dex on the Toxotes alone nearly makes up for the lost crit. Adding the 8 det in makes it the clearly better choice. The accuracy is useless only because we have way too much in darklight anyways.

That aside, he probably meant to say you can only have one darklight ring so you should upgrade the other one to Hero's.

Are you kidding me? Did you some how forget that River of Blood exists? I'm not saying Crit is be all/end all, I weigh each slot piece-by-piece separately. I've lost my share of Crit in favor of DEX/Determination since I hit 50 upgrading to DL. I look at the what I lose vs. what I gain. But, Toxote's Ring over HQ Spinel, the gain is not worth the loss. Shit, HQ Imperial Operative Choker un-melded is better than anything else pre-mythology, and a well-melded HQ Gryphonskin Choker would actually easily beat Allagan Choker of Aiming.

Just because something has higher item level doesn't mean it's always going to be better, it just has a slightly higher level range of statistics than the previous item level, but that doesn't necessarily mean it will have the best balance of stats required for the job.

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Originally Posted by Classikal

I'm not saying Crit is be all/end all, I weigh each slot piece-by-piece separately. I've lost my share of Crit in favor of DEX/Determination since I hit 50 upgrading to DL. I look at the what I lose vs. what I gain. But, Toxote's Ring over HQ Spinel, the gain is not worth the loss. Shit, HQ Imperial Operative Choker un-melded is better than anything else pre-mythology, and a well-melded HQ Gryphonskin Choker would actually easily beat Allagan Choker of Aiming.

Just because something has higher item level doesn't mean it's always going to be better, it just has a slightly higher level range of statistics than the previous item level, but that doesn't necessarily mean it will have the best balance of stats required for the job.

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Which is why I choose to use my imperial operative with melds to make up for accuracy stats and get vit instead of gryphonskin, which is mostly because I am cheap.

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Originally Posted by Classikal

Are you kidding me? Did you some how forget that River of Blood exists? I'm not saying Crit is be all/end all, I weigh each slot piece-by-piece separately. I've lost my share of Crit in favor of DEX/Determination since I hit 50 upgrading to DL. I look at the what I lose vs. what I gain. But, Toxote's Ring over HQ Spinel, the gain is not worth the loss. Shit, HQ Imperial Operative Choker un-melded is better than anything else pre-mythology, and a well-melded HQ Gryphonskin Choker would actually easily beat Allagan Choker of Aiming.

Just because something has higher item level doesn't mean it's always going to be better, it just has a slightly higher level range of statistics than the previous item level, but that doesn't necessarily mean it will have the best balance of stats required for the job.

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I said nothing about item level. I actually used an Imperial Operative Choker until I dropped my Allagan Choker because it had better stats than the Darklight one.

According to every damage formula I've come across for this game. 1 dex is worth just over 4 crit. So in the case of the Allagan vs the Gryphonskin, the Allagan has an extra 4 dex. That means the Gryphonskin needs to have an extra 16 crit at least to make up for the difference. It can have a max of 12 which is 1 more than Allagan. So you still need to make up 15 crit somewhere. You also get 8 det from Gryphonskin. Thats valued even lower than crit so that clearly doesn't make up for it. So the Allagan is clearly better than Gryphonskin even when I completely ignore skillspeed (which the Allagan has 4 more of). Yes crit is important, but dex is a much stronger stat. I see no reason to use Gryphonskin unless you need the accuracy or you need vit melded in.

And yes, I know how my job works.