Forget IL for dungeon requirements, do this instead.

Instead of having a gear requirement to get into a dungeon via dungeon finder, if you want to unlock a dungeon you should have to do a single player scenario where you have to do x amount of dps, heal a certain amount, or survive for x amount of time while dodging enemy aoes (if you get hit 3 times you have to start over), sort of like a mini boot camp. This way, if people want to run a dungeon they can at least perform at a minimum level for the dungeon.

IF you want Maat fights in this game just ask for them.

So we would need to repeat an single player instance on every job on every dungeon?

well the class quests sorta train you on your job and the guildhests acts as tutorils for party plsy, but alas, people never pay attention to them and they wonder why they die.

The problem with class quests isn't that people don't pay attention, it's that they're implemented/tuned badly.

For example the Marauder class quests have absolutely nothing about tanking.

Gladiator class quest you can get through a whole fight with just 1 Flash, after that it's always better to use Riot Blade (dps over enmity) to clear the quest.

In the later tanking class quests, it's always a quick death for you if you try to tank all the enemies. So for a newbie who believes the classes quests, he will always be "tanking" only single target, with Riot Blade (or basically the highest dps attack) as his main attack---i.e. the worst tank one can possibly hope for.

Conjurer quests you're just spamming stone, and the only one where you can try to heal NPCs, you get pounced on by water sprites and the NPCs ignore you. In the end you gotta Stone the sprites if you even want to stay alive. In others you get healed by an NPC and you're expected to just deal damage to clear the battles.

The classes quests are more story than training. In terms of training value, class quests are a complete failure in implementation.

The Guildhest are for training purpose.

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Originally Posted by Shaone

So we would need to repeat an single player instance on every job on every dungeon?

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If it has a different role, then yes. If you have a drg and a whm, you should have to do it with each class because they have totally different jobs inside a dungeon.

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Originally Posted by joshdavis271

well the class quests sorta train you on your job and the guildhests acts as tutorils for party plsy, but alas, people never pay attention to them and they wonder why they die.

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Originally Posted by Nura

The Guildhest are for training purpose.

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Neither really force you to learn anything. The one that teaches you to pull only one pack of mobs can be tanked by any job pulling everything.

Smarter, more forceful training instances would be nice. And ya know what? Make them give good exp. I'd *so much rather* a person got to 50 exclusively doing that than exclusively doing fates because pressing your aoe doesn't teach you anything about playing your class, like the whm at ifrit today that popped a medica 2 before the pull, I told the warrior to wait til til it wore, but he pulled and whm was dead within 5 seconds and then the whm, scrubby little nub, had the nerve to say "dat tanking". I replied with "dat medica 2"

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Originally Posted by Genesiser

If it has a different role, then yes. If you have a drg and a whm, you should have to do it with each class because they have totally different jobs inside a dungeon.

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So if you can play one DPS you can play them all? And if you have one geared job, any jobs of a similar type should be allowed in regardless of gear?

Overall this seems like a very flawed idea.

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So if you can play one DPS you can play them all? And if you have one geared job, any jobs of a similar type should be allowed in regardless of gear?

Overall this seems like a very flawed idea.

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You are right, it should be for each job and each role of that class (although the role part only applies to summoners).

As for the gear part, if you can't beat the boot camp because your gear with one job is lower than the other job, then you need more gear for that job.

A system like that won't work either, no matter how hard you try and implement a skill system for progression in the end it all just boils down to attuning to the program's rythms to beat it and even the worst possible players will still be right there again to ruin your days.
A system like that doesn't solve the fundamental wrong here, people being unaware or even oblivious of group mechanics and their human inconsistencies.

I am hoping that the exp boost and other bonuses for dungeons will be sufficient to become the best alternative for leveling.
Bad players will always be a part of the game, but "forcing" people to group up more during leveling will certainly help reduce the number of them.

doesn't matter, pass the shit, slack in DF.

Much like ilvl, wear DL to enter DF, then change to your lvl 1 gear just for the lolz

An optional solohest training school is enough imo. Call it solo content to learn aspects of multiplay content and give incentives for players to encourage them to do these and try hard to succeed it. Cant be philo or myth tomes for rewards though, you do multiplay content for that.

Imagine something like the guild training hall in monster hunter portables. Those didnt really give you instructions but these should, to hammer in the concepts. Dont kick them out when they fail, just auto reset the instance and let them do it over and over again until the objective of the solohest is completed or they give up.

As a bonus, players can get badges for their training and it can be displayed alongside their name in duty finder. We used to have LS emblems to our name, the ARR mock up had them too. Even if it exists today, it's not really relevant in a random duty finder so the badges can replace that. e.g.: clear various healing solohests, get awarded a..gold 2 star badge, queue in the df as a healer and other players can see that when the dungeon starts.

Agreed!!!

Or atleast, we could have like a training solo-duty for each dungeon? Where atleast players are thaught the mechanichs they will encounter, and tested on them so they can perform them decently :P