[dev1079] PVE and Battle System Suggestions

Step your game up Square Enix


Check out this video:
!!!WARNING!!! Turn your sound down a bit, the beginning of video has a brief high pitched noise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUVLclPDCBE

I need to say very little in regards to this video. The game is Guild Wars 2 and will pose a major threat to FFXIV if the team does not open their eyes and minds to their competitors and modern gaming requirements.

This is what players want. Immersive, Dynamic and Massive gameplay that they can interact with their friends through.

Guild Wars 2, just like the original Guild Wars will most likely be initial purchase and free to play afterwards.

If you want our money for playing a subpar FFXI remake then you're going to have to step your game up and exceed that vision.

We know you can do it Yoshi P. Don't let us down man!

Much Love~
Areeya Jaidee

We believe in you Yoshi P, don't let us down because that right there is what we are looking for, no more no less, well more if you can!

Peace

Nice Video. Competition drives people beyond their limits. Please rise above the mediocrity.

That's what i would like to see when i step outside of Limsa

After reviewing the video you posted, all the elements being showed are definitely things that SE can do for FFXIV. the only problem is due to the current status of the game and due to development and producer changes, something's like that video is a vision that SE should strive for. watching videos such as those, show what a really good development team can do with world bosses - and in this case a dragon.

FFXIV is a next gen game in which this can be done successfully. we just don't know if Yoshi P is really willing to push his team to that extreme to accomplish something of this scale. I know they CAN do this but with the current way this game is rolling, this may take a few months or even years to complete.

The only thing we can do is wait and see results of what is about to come. Yoshi P is fixing all the problems since the time he took over this project. All I will say at this time is that they need to have content such as this; battles that require more organization. We need to go back to 24 man alliances and mobs should not be easy to kill. If you complain it is too difficult just remember - in FFXI the expansion chains of Promethia IT WAS NOT EASY when it first released. The battles were hard but when you completed each mission, you felt a great sense of accomplishment.

Right now everything is easy. There is nothing hard in this game. This next patch to be released will make or break the game. The only challenge I am putting on the table is that you need to step your game up as there are many more companies coming after the people that really don't know what game they want to play. I have a lot of faith in the team and in you Yoshi P. This light tank and spank content is not going to cut it on a next gen game. Hopefully with the video that was just posted, you'll see what type of content most of us are looking for. Things need to be EPIC as this is what you will be remembered for. Therefore, I look forward to seeing the rabbit that you are about to pull out of the magic hat and leave every single player shocked and amazed.

Just keep us informed about what the dev team is doing.....more pictures.....please. Other than that, we will all be waiting to see what the new FFXI will be.

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I really don't see SE pulling anything like that off at least in the short term. I expect the content we do get to be extremely cookie cutter and basic while they continue to iron out the system revamps over the next year plus. I think people are going to be extremely disappointed if you expect these dungeons to be anything on the level of Dynamis, Limbus or resemble something as extravagant as WoW's 5 mans.

Right now the engine is just so bad to do anything crazy with this intricate content that everyone is dying for, it will take multiple updates spanning across months for them to even bring it up to par. I'm not being a negative nancy, flaming, trolling, its being realistic at best.

I think people are going to be severely disappointed with wanting "difficult content" that only few guilds per server can clear, I just don't see SE going that route this time around especially during a complete revamp of the game.

My forecast on what we'll see from here on out at least the short term is:

- Basic content, nothing mind blowing.
- Continue to balance the game
- Making adjustments to the grind, easier leveling of both craft and DoW/M/L.
- System improvements.

Its not on the scale of GW2 pve but even tera in beta stage partying is better then the bland stuff xiv has
far more skill involved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hOgb...eature=related

another

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWg47...eature=related

and compare to the "fun, Strategy/challenge" in this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ6MN...eature=related

and most of the time in xiv looks like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFSBW...eature=related

@Burn

Not really the point of this thread, but that's okay :D

Logically yes, that would be the timescale.

This thread's intent is to raise awareness of what users/subscribers would like to see in the future.

It isn't a flame at SE or anything of that nature. It is more of a motivator.

Take care :3

Square Enix has to choose if they want to be a world leader in quality and value like the makers of Guild Wars are happy to be if SE doesn't want it, or if they want to keep producing low production value, high profit margin games like The World Ends With You and more iphone games.

Square Enix has adopted NASA's "cheaper faster...just as good" strategy, but unlike NASA who has had great successes with that mantra, all of Square Enix's products have fallen off cliffs or forgotten to carry the 1.

And all that's left are products that are just...missing big somethings. If TWEWY feels like it's missing something epic...hello. It's not a RPG. It's a text adventure with a battle engine.

You can't cut corners like that forever. TWEWY is a good product. It is not a good long term strategy.

And that strategy, I fear, comes straight from the president of SE. You can't keep lowering production value like this. Guild Wars isn't. No one else is.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Square Enix has to choose if they want to be a world leader in quality and value like the makers of Guild Wars are happy to be if SE doesn't want it, or if they want to keep producing low production value, high profit margin games like The World Ends With You and more iphone games.

Square Enix has adopted NASA's "cheaper faster...just as good" strategy, but unlike NASA who has had great successes with that mantra, all of Square Enix's products have fallen off cliffs or forgotten to carry the 1.

And all that's left are products that are just...missing big somethings. If TWEWY feels like it's missing something epic...hello. It's not a RPG. It's a text adventure with a battle engine.

You can't cut corners like that forever. TWEWY is a good product. It is not a good long term strategy.

And that strategy, I fear, comes straight from the president of SE. You can't keep lowering production value like this. Guild Wars isn't. No one else is.

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Really good point.
Square Enix needs to keep this quality across ALL of their products, this provides consistency and trust can follow. It just seems of late that Square Enix have fallen off the end trying to spread themselves too thinly with greedy hands. This concept is backwards and definatly not future proof. Production quality ALWAYS has to come first and if your on the ball the rest will naturally follow.
Please dont make us have to drop the post ''We'll go Guild Wars 2/better mmo and save you guys (Square Enix) the hassle and stress of good production quality so that you can concentrate on your money problems'' (Kind of backwards eh!? 0.o)
Please make this statement invalid Square Enix!
Bear in mind this is a progressively saturated/faster market and you don't get 2nd/3rd chances compared to 8 years ago.
You know what you have to do!!!

I would like to put this out there... If you are a ff11 player... I'm sure you recall a time when you were standing in a zone of tough mobs staring across the zone wishing there was an easier way to get over there, when out of nowhere some high level person showed up and gave you a "follow me" and escorted you through, safe and sound, to the other side. Now if you played XI you know why players went out of their way to help others... if not, let me explain.

FFXI was HARD! going against something of the same level was almost always suicide, and those who had earned their stripes by winning every hard fought battle understood the struggles of people at lower levels. The difficulty created something I've never seen in another mmo. A camaraderie forged though the beatings and satisfying victories. Many people, after leveling up a ways, eventually returned to those places that had once been nightmares, like long lost guardians. I myself took my redmage back to the deserts around selbina and helped poor groups that pulled an extra mob or had started failing cause the healer had DC'd.

The challenge posed by XI brought the players together. Every fight, even against regular monsters felt satisfying because you knew there was a chance you weren't going to make and you would lose some xp when you fell in battle. Most mmo's these days are mso's, Massively singleplayer online games. Grouping only needed for the most advanced content which was all optional because the stories in those games are forgettable and generic. But this... this is Final Fantasy... Story is what we come for, struggle against insurmountable odds is what we expect, the sting of loss and elation of victory are our bread and butter. This is Final Fantasy...

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I would like to put this out there... If you are a ff11 player... I'm sure you recall a time when you were standing in a zone of tough mobs staring across the zone wishing there was an easier way to get over there, when out of nowhere some high level person showed up and gave you a "follow me" and escorted you through, safe and sound, to the other side. Now if you played XI you know why players went out of their way to help others... if not, let me explain.

FFXI was HARD! going against something of the same level was almost always suicide, and those who had earned their stripes by winning every hard fought battle understood the struggles of people at lower levels. The difficulty created something I've never seen in another mmo. A camaraderie forged though the beatings and satisfying victories. Many people, after leveling up a ways, eventually returned to those places that had once been nightmares, like long lost guardians. I myself took my redmage back to the deserts around selbina and helped poor groups that pulled an extra mob or had started failing cause the healer had DC'd.

The challenge posed by XI brought the players together. Every fight, even against regular monsters felt satisfying because you knew there was a chance you weren't going to make and you would lose some xp when you fell in battle. Most mmo's these days are mso's, Massively singleplayer online games. Grouping only needed for the most advanced content which was all optional because the stories in those games are forgettable and generic. But this... this is Final Fantasy... Story is what we come for, struggle against insurmountable odds is what we expect, the sting of loss and elation of victory are our bread and butter. This is Final Fantasy...

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WOW!!!!

Thats why I played ffxi for 7 years because of what you said right there that is what kept me going in XI. The fact that it was not an easy.

I wish FFXIV would drop the strict attack spam forced combat and allowed for a more free battle system...

RIP 14 as soon as GW2 comes out specially because of what they are promising with the storyline of GW2 (we will shape the state of cities and how the story progress? F yeah).

Yoshi! The game as it is is just a mindless grind with NOTHING TO DO.

bump bump 0.o

Yes. FFXI brings shame to FFXIV. I hope, REALLY hope SE pulls their head out and takes a look at the market around them. Players these days have usually experienced the "OLD SCHOOL" gameplay for a long time.

As a game developer, it is your JOB to be able to make a game sell. Sells only happen when people like your product.

BOTTOM LINE: The customer is always right. No one is going to buy your crap if it fails to meet or surpass current trends in a unique way. You need to frikin listen to EVERY suggestion as if it were your last hope SE. WE ARE THE GAMERS, we know what we want.

Bumpity bump bump :D

Agree with OP. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The ONLY game SE has to worry about is GW2. Everything else is just copies of what's already out there. Everything about GW2 looks promising. I'm not a big fan of the look of the UI or that its F2P, but those hardly matter considering the rest. If there's any "WoW killer" in development right now, this is likely it. If any game pulls me away from XIV, GW2 will be the one to do it.

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Agree with OP. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The ONLY game SE has to worry about is GW2. Everything else is just copies of what's already out there. Everything about GW2 looks promising. I'm not a big fan of the look of the UI or that its F2P, but those hardly matter considering the rest. If there's any "WoW killer" in development right now, this is likely it. If any game pulls me away from XIV, GW2 will be the one to do it.

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I wish GW2 was the only one.

Check out this one:
http://archeage-online.com/

Elements:
- Races other than the same old crap: even races that can seamlessly go from biped to all fours while running.
- Players can build ships together or solo... and then sail them... and then shoot cannons from them... at other ships... without requiring a PVE instance...
- Players can build their own homes
- Mostly all of the terrain is traversable (You can even climb the freaking mountains in the distance...)
- You can swim
- You can climb ropes and operate cannons in AND out of PVE events
- You can create VERY unique looking characters at character creation screen: You can even resize and move tattoos around as well as recolor them.
- Dynamic Battle events
- Very good looking high quality graphics
- Jobs which utilize some VERY cool looking effects: First that comes to mind is a mage that summons a giant rock hand from the ground to HOLD a mob in place while the mage attacks another target of that set of mobs.
- Music: The music is actually pretty nice. It is obviously Korean and seem to be very ethnic which is peaceful at times.
- so much more to name but it would be idiotic to list them all
BEST PART: Everything mentioned and SEEN in the videos on their site... ALL this awesome stuff... IS CLOSED BETA!

Wait: You mean to tell me a CLOSED BETA is this much better than FFXIV?

How is that even logical? FFXIV is a RELEASED game...

Trust me... after the several months since I started playing FFXIV (CE release) I STILL find myself asking that SAME question.

Message still stands: SE step it up. You got Koreans AND Americans developing MMOs which make your product look like a little kid ate a box of crayons and crapped it out onto a High Definition piece of paper.

I have to agree, AreeyaJaidee. Although I only saw a little bit of the game's footage and didn't really research any of the game's progress, it does look pretty amazing. Everything you listed is definitely intriguing, not to mention far more advanced than XIV at the moment. GW2 also just looks like a completely different animal in the MMO world. I'm sure both titles will do well.

Like you said, SE needs to step it up. I've been a FF fan ever since I was a kid and to be looking at other MMOs instead of theirs makes me extremely upset. How can the king of RPGs for 20+ years (my opinion of course) fail so hard with what was supposed to be their flagship MMO title. It boggles my mind. Tic Toc SE.

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I would like to put this out there... If you are a ff11 player... I'm sure you recall a time when you were standing in a zone of tough mobs staring across the zone wishing there was an easier way to get over there, when out of nowhere some high level person showed up and gave you a "follow me" and escorted you through, safe and sound, to the other side. Now if you played XI you know why players went out of their way to help others... if not, let me explain.

FFXI was HARD! going against something of the same level was almost always suicide, and those who had earned their stripes by winning every hard fought battle understood the struggles of people at lower levels. The difficulty created something I've never seen in another mmo. A camaraderie forged though the beatings and satisfying victories. Many people, after leveling up a ways, eventually returned to those places that had once been nightmares, like long lost guardians. I myself took my redmage back to the deserts around selbina and helped poor groups that pulled an extra mob or had started failing cause the healer had DC'd.

The challenge posed by XI brought the players together. Every fight, even against regular monsters felt satisfying because you knew there was a chance you weren't going to make and you would lose some xp when you fell in battle. Most mmo's these days are mso's, Massively singleplayer online games. Grouping only needed for the most advanced content which was all optional because the stories in those games are forgettable and generic. But this... this is Final Fantasy... Story is what we come for, struggle against insurmountable odds is what we expect, the sting of loss and elation of victory are our bread and butter. This is Final Fantasy...

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Man... I miss FFXI. Anyone who has played XI for more than just a few levels will understand where Galaxy's coming from with this. If XIV had the same atmosphere as its predecessor I wouldn't be looking at other games at all.

To anyone that says XI is still there, it's not. The game we knew and loved is gone, destroyed by SE's foolish attempt at trying to make it more casual friendly. It's a shame when SE let their passion and skill of making good games go out the window in an attempt to try to appeal to a larger audience. Their attempt failed, it's that simple. Do what you do best SE. Stick to your roots and you'll be fine.

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I have to agree, AreeyaJaidee. Although I only saw a little bit of the game's footage and didn't really research any of the game's progress, it does look pretty amazing. Everything you listed is definitely intriguing, not to mention far more advanced than XIV at the moment. GW2 also just looks like a completely different animal in the MMO world. I'm sure both titles will do well.

Like you said, SE needs to step it up. I've been a FF fan ever since I was a kid and to be looking at other MMOs instead of theirs makes me extremely upset. How can the king of RPGs for 20+ years (my opinion of course) fail so hard with what was supposed to be their flagship MMO title. It boggles my mind. Tic Toc SE.

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Yes, exactly. When I think of Square Enix I think of Squaresoft, which gave us epic and powerful stories in titles such as:

- Star Ocean Series ( Tri-Ace was Enix which later become merged with Squaresoft to form Square Enix as we know them today)
- Super Mario RPG (Yes it WAS epic :)
- Dragon Warrior Series
- Kingdom Hearts
- Xenogears
- Legend of Dragoons
- Chrono Trigger
- Chrono Cross
- Secret of Mana
- Legend of Mana
- Final Fantasy Legends Series
- Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicle Series
- Final Fantasy I
- Final Fantasy II
- Final Fantasy III
- Final Fantasy IV
- Final Fantasy V
- Final Fantasy VI
- Final Fantasy VII
- Final Fantasy VIII
- Final Fantasy IX
- Final Fantasy X
- Final Fantasy XI
- Final Fantasy XII
- Final Fantasy XIII
- Final Fantasy XIV

...The list goes on and on. The titles change but one thing remains the same: SE always delivered quality gaming for the genre that it pretty much fathered/owned/perfected.

Oh wow, what a NICE dragon! I wish to see that here...!!!