Make BCB lockouts account wide [dev]

SE: If your not going to do something to allow us to run BCB as much as we want, like a loot lockout or something. Then make BCB lockouts account wide.

It's sad to see so many people leveling new characters so they can run BCB more than once when your entire game is structured around the concept of having one character for everything.

You're breaking your own design.

Not to mention that by giving people such a huge reason to level an alternate character, you're also dumping 2 or 3 times the amount of gil into the game economy from the quest rewards.

[puts on flame suit]

LOL
No Thanks I don't play ALT characters cause its already enough time to play one. But for other people they like to level Alts/Mules. My wife's brother plays MMOs and gets to max and then starts over again, Doesn't sound like fun to me but to others it is.

I wish we had loot lockout for CoB but the thing with that is more people would sell gear so it will get abused.

As for the gil I really don't think its hurting the economy. You get what like 100k if that from all the main/side quest

So don't make other people suffer.

Let's see...

Run BCB for 1 set of loot per character, per week.
Run BCB for 1 set of loot per week, period.

lol

Agreed with everything except for the "your" parts. I wonder if Yoshi ever addressed this issue. It would have been a perfect way to make the game last longer for many endgame players in an unfinished game with so little contents.

I know patch 2.1 is only three weeks away but I literally have nothing else to do. Doing coil alone gives me 150 myth tomes so I only have to grind for 150 more tomes. Coil 1-4 took only like an hour. I only stay subscribed this month because I want to support the devs because I believe they will make this game a lot better.

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Originally Posted by Ryios

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Meh... I for one enjoy the fact something causes new characters to be created. Keeps the whole server from sitting around in Mor Dhona and Wineport.
I do agree that the alternate job mechanic in a game that encourages 1 character, is kinda screwy. It would be nice if it was a per job lockout. same with per job side quests and story quests.
Fix the restrictions on characters and it would be a lot more fun.
They are artificial restrictions to prolong subscriptions. Its not hidden very well either. :(

If they want to level multiple characters that's their perogative. Personally I can't be bothered to play through the main story again and unlock everything again just so I can steal more loot that someone else deserves.

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They are artificial restrictions to prolong subscriptions. Its not hidden very well either. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/i...lies/frown.png

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Everything in pretty much any MMO is made to keep you playing for a certain amount of time befolre you can move on to the next thing. It's not like it was ever some kind of secret. People threaten to cancel over these kinds of tactics sometimes but ultimately usually keep playing. However, if you make progression too fast people will run out of things to do and be sure to cancel anyway- thus the stalling tactic is less likely to cost customers.

My flame suit is cold:

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All I really want is for SE to acknowledge a point of view on the lockout regarding their multi class system and to own up to the fact that leveling an alt is outside the intended play pattern for the player base.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

If they want to level multiple characters that's their perogative. Personally I can't be bothered to play through the main story again and unlock everything again just so I can steal more loot that someone else deserves

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That's not really how it operates. Do a 4 main 4 alt method. Run 1: 8 drops in coil goes to the 4 mains. Run 2: 8 drops in coil goes to the other 4 mains. You just reverse who is on a main and alt in each run. You effectively double up on loot. Hell if you're really dedicated you could go even further.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

so I can steal more loot that someone else deserves.

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Running it with your already static party of 8 on alts gives who loot they deserve? Also, more alts doing it means there are more parties running it so melee DPS can stop making QQ threads about not being taken to coil.

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Originally Posted by Ryios

All I really want is for SE to acknowledge a point of view on the lockout regarding their multi class system and to own up to the fact that leveling an alt is outside the intended play pattern for the player base.

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How is leveling an alt, "outside the intended play pattern for the player base exactly?"

The game's designed to have every class on one character. What's the point in that if you need an alt to be able to rerun content. The design of the class system encourages one way and the design of the lockouts encourages the other.

As such, in my opinion based on my observations, I can conclude that SE never intended for us to Level alts to rerun BCB and they didn't consider that as part of the equation when they decided to put the lockout on BCB in the first place. What I would like is for them to take a stance on this issue, e.g.

Either:
A: We are aware alts can rerun BCB when their mains have done it already and this is working as intended.
or
B: We are aware of this issue, but have not yet decided how to handle it.
or
C: We are aware of the issue and will make the lockout account wide.
or
D: We are aware of the issue and we will be adding a loot lockout system to BCB to alleviate the need to do this.
etc etc etc.

Again, I have an alt to run BCB with my already main group, mostly out of boredom, but SE will say this is intended. Why is this? It hurts nobody, they still get money and they do not want to tick off their player base into leaving over something so minimal to no existent of a problem. Also, players that level alts to do BCB again can help FC and pugs since they already know the mechanics and alts also allow those to get more experienced at potentially changing the already current strats. Still I believe if you take the time to kill yourself over the span of a week to redo the story just for that soul purpose then go for it because they way I see it, after 4 hours on Monday I am bored out of my mind.

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Originally Posted by WiseWolfHolo

Also, players that level alts to do BCB again can help FC and pugs since they already know the mechanics and alts also allow those to get more experienced at potentially changing the already current strats.

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I don't think we should have to level another character to do this. We should just be able to go on another job. It's the same exact concept.

1: Level New Character, run BCB, Get gear on both (likely two different jobs)
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2: Allows us to rerun on another job, Get Gear

Method 2 would actually be better because you can only cap myth once. I don't care about myth, I just want to be able to run BCB on more jobs and I think it's messed up that we have to level a new character to do it.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

If they want to level multiple characters that's their perogative. Personally I can't be bothered to play through the main story again and unlock everything again just so I can steal more loot that someone else deserves.

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If I happen to enjoy doing endgame content with 2 jobs and I'm good at both and I have time to do coil with both of them (note: 2hr per week, big deal) how is that stealing the loot from someone else? o.O

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Originally Posted by Ryios

The game's designed to have every class on one character. What's the point in that if you need an alt to be able to rerun content. The design of the class system encourages one way and the design of the lockouts encourages the other.

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I'll just go ahead and quote myself from one of the many other threads about alts and such:

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

How is it not designed to be that way? Just because you can do everything on one character, doesn't mean that's the correct/best/only way. If anything it's more designed for alts than 1 character. Why?

• For starters you can level multiple characters to 50 significantly faster than trying to get those 50s on one.

• Each character will be building it's rested exp while you play on others.

• Each character will have it's own pool of levequest allowances.

• Each character will have access to all of the games quests again, instead of burning through them once and never again.

• Each character can be unique and let you see the game from a different point of view via races, genders etc.

• Each character can see different starter story lines that you'd otherwise miss out on.

• Each character has it's own inventory and retainers. As everything is spread among multiple characters, you have more than enough room for your items instead of needing to hoard them all on one.

• Each character can have it's own stat point allotment without needing to spend seals to get the full benefit out of jobs (Such as the SMN/SCH situation)

I can see crafters benefiting from a single character though, since it relies so heavily on cross class abilities. But that's something you can do on just one of many alts anyways.

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Originally Posted by Alcide

If I happen to enjoy doing endgame content with 2 jobs and I'm good at both and I have time to do coil with both of them (note: 2hr per week, big deal) how is that stealing the loot from someone else? o.O

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If you have a specific arrangement with other people to distribute amongst alts that's fine, but im more pointing at freelance people joining multiple groups with different alts.

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Originally Posted by OmegaFlare

Agreed with everything except for the "your" parts. I wonder if Yoshi ever addressed this issue. It would have been a perfect way to make the game last longer for many endgame players in an unfinished game with so little contents.

I know patch 2.1 is only three weeks away but I literally have nothing else to do. Doing coil alone gives me 150 myth tomes so I only have to grind for 150 more tomes. Coil 1-4 took only like an hour. I only stay subscribed this month because I want to support the devs because I believe they will make this game a lot better.

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