Swiftcast

I'm on my way to getting switcast, and thinking about its best uses. The most obvious one is raise, but I was also thinking it might be good to use for an emergency heal, and save all those buffs, rather than just raising?

Personally, I'd really like it to be macro'd for raise in combat. Anyone have good siftcast macros they'd like to share?

I only use Swiftcast with Raise and Stoneskin, sometimes. Tried to heal with Swiftcast but it's useless.
Remember that when you Swiftcast, you just have the effect at the beginning of the cast instead of the end of the cast, but the recast time is still there.
So using Swiftcast+Cure>Cure is like using Aero>Stone, you have to wait 2 times the recast to heal again.
Hope this helps :)

Swiftcast your biggest heal for those osnap situations for tanks

Swiftcast your biggest group heal for those massive damage spikes to the group (espically if your not good at precasting)

Not much else I can think of doing for a WHM. For a SCH you can do the following:

Swiftcast Eos/Selene

Swiftcast Shadow Flare

Our 20% HP heal is already instant cast, so thats all I can really think of.

Yeah, Raise and then a desperate Medica II is what I have it for.....other cures are reasonably quick...but I have used it on a CureII when the tanks taken it in the face and got a gnats hair of HP left.
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Well, I tried Medica II against Titan but you lose the heal rythm and take a lot of aggro, so I peronally think it's not that good.
And yes, I forgot Swiftcast+summon, it's really useful when you have to change pet during the battle.

Raise was the reason I got Swiftcast. And yet...its the thing I use it least on.

In WP speed-runs, I'll Swiftcast a Cure 2 on the first pull, then heal like normal (that first heal we're still moving into position and grabbing mobs, so it helps to be able to land a Cure2 while moving). I'll also Swiftcast Stoneskins onto the tank between pulls. And during the Slime boss, I'll Swiftcast SS onto myself if targeted by the Slime. Then there's Swifcast Holy that's used everywhere...

I also Swiftcast Medica 2 during Stomps on Titan if I need to quickly (like if the other heal dies or we really need another heal fast), or during Turn 2 if its needed. I don't like Raising during either of those fights, so I'm not opposed to using the CD there.

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Originally Posted by YanDere

Well, I tried Medica II against Titan but you lose the heal rythm and take a lot of aggro, so I peronally think it's not that good.
And yes, I forgot Swiftcast+summon, it's really useful when you have to change pet during the battle.

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As for titan, P1-2 use Medica and once only each time it stomp.
P3 use Medica2, also once only.
After entered P2, use shrould imme as if u did it correctly u should be on the edge of OT. Once its CD off, use it again...Then u shouldnt need to worry about enmity anymore.
For P5 stomp, use Medica2 once then spawn Medica~
WHM in P1-2 is highly restricted. It's risky if someone made mistake and u try to give more heal to cover it up.

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Originally Posted by Krisstina

As for titan, P1-2 use Medica and once only each time it stomp.
P3 use Medica2, also once only.
After entered P2, use shrould imme as if u did it correctly u should be on the edge of OT. Once its CD off, use it again...Then u shouldnt need to worry about enmity anymore.
For P5 stomp, use Medica2 once then spawn Medica~
WHM in P1-2 is highly restricted. It's risky if someone made mistake and u try to give more heal to cover it up.

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Erm, I don't know the reason of this quote O.O
I already know perfectly well how to heal Titan, I did it more than 20 times now.
I was talking about Swiftcast+heal, which I think is not as good as it might seem.
And I use Medica only at Geocrush before P4, in P3 it's not required since people get 2000-2300 HP damage that can be easily healed by 2 healers. Never used Shroud of Saints, never got aggro from Titan.

If your standing still swift cast really has no use...swiftcast holy is nice. Revive is a given but don't macro it. I had issues where animations and latency would screw it up on me.

The best use of it is a mobile heal like instant medica II when your running from aoe. Or a heal moving period while repositioning.

Swiftcast seems to work best on:

Stoneskin
Medica II - Ideally for dropping two quick Medicas to recover in high dmg situations (Coil Turn 4 - phase 5/6, and perhaps Titan heart phase).
Raise
Summons

I use it mostly with Holys (in WP speedruns and Coil turn 4 for example) and Medica IIs (in all coil turns pretty much).

My most common uses for swiftcast:

1. Applying stoneskin while running from one trash pack to the next in coil or ak/wp
2. Battle rez
3. Medica II on ADS for missed silences after everyone gets hit by paralysis.
4. Medica II on garuda if one of the adds is pointed at the raid doing massive damage to all
5. Using it to instant my first Holy as I run in to holy spam for wp/ak/coil trash
6. Applying stoneskin to the tank during Titan if I'm needing to move
7. Trolling the tank by casting Medica II right as he's going in to pull a boss.

I haven't done a lot of healing on my WHM but here's a few situations I've seen it useful for:

- Casting Stoneskin on a tank as he dashes off to the next set of mobs
- Casting Raise
- Casting a quick Medica II

Stoneskin, Medica I and II works really well for big AoE damages you know is going to happens soon like Garuda's reckoning.

Swiftcast is extremely useful in Turn 5 for Fireballs. Fireball interrupts you if it hits you when casting, and you need to get a heal off pretty much immediately after it hits, so cycling Surecast and Swiftcast lets you do that.

Ok pet peeve of mine here.
I find one of the most common mistakes healers do is trying to top up everyone, often at the expense of being on the GCD when the tank takes a huge spike.
When healing challenging content I use this as a personal rule: DPS can wait. If I have swiftcast ready then I'll heal DPS, because if the tank spikes I know I can cover it with a swiftcasted Cure II. It's situational of course, if I know there's no big spikes coming on a tank I'll happily heal the DPS meantime, but if there is any doubt, DPS can wait.

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Originally Posted by kayuwoody

Ok pet peeve of mine here.
I find one of the most common mistakes healers do is trying to top up everyone, often at the expense of being on the GCD when the tank takes a huge spike.
When healing challenging content I use this as a personal rule: DPS can wait. If I have swiftcast ready then I'll heal DPS, because if the tank spikes I know I can cover it with a swiftcasted Cure II. It's situational of course, if I know there's no big spikes coming on a tank I'll happily heal the DPS meantime, but if there is any doubt, DPS can wait.

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Swiftcast cure 2 gains you nothing unless your tank is at extremely low health - which he shouldn't be if you're doing your job correctly. Swiftcasting a cure 2 means you have to wait nearly 4.5 seconds for the next heal to hit the tank. Cure 2 is about the most useless thing you can waste swiftcast on... especially considering that we have benediction.

Res
Selene/Eos
Succor (only on TT vs. fireballs)
Stoneskin (only if you are a WHM, otherwise Adlo is more effective)

Basically, whenever you *really* need to shave off about 0.5s - 1s from a cast time. I suggest not swiftcasting an Adlo due to the massive shield delay. If you are that close, you are likely going to miss the shield benefit anyway.

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Originally Posted by dragonflyseksparade

Swiftcast cure 2 gains you nothing unless your tank is at extremely low health - which he shouldn't be if you're doing your job correctly. Swiftcasting a cure 2 means you have to wait nearly 4.5 seconds for the next heal to hit the tank. Cure 2 is about the most useless thing you can waste swiftcast on... especially considering that we have benediction.

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My entire point is I'm saying you should only heal DPS in 'iffy' situations when you know you can still safely cover the tank. Too many healers don't do this. There are times where Swiftcast + Medica II makes more sense to use. There are times it doesn't. Personally I know I have a swiftcast ready in case the excrement hits the ceiling mounted air propelling unit. Swiftcast+Cure II, followed by PoM + Cure II spam saves me from using benediction unless it's very large amounts of excrement.

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Originally Posted by kayuwoody

My entire point is I'm saying you should only heal DPS in 'iffy' situations when you know you can still safely cover the tank. Too many healers don't do this. There are times where Swiftcast + Medica II makes more sense to use. There are times it doesn't. Personally I know I have a swiftcast ready in case the excrement hits the ceiling mounted air propelling unit. Swiftcast+Cure II, followed by PoM + Cure II spam saves me from using benediction unless it's very large amounts of excrement.

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And my entire point is you're doing it wrong. Nobody is talking about using swiftcast on medica 2 to heal 1 or 2 dps. We're talking about raid-wide unavoidable aoe and using swiftcast on medica 2 so it only takes up 1 GCD.

I use swift cast for Medica II during primal fights as a quick emergency recover for raising and WP speed runs every once in awhile if a tank takes a huge spike of damage in wp or ak i will use swift cast to hit them quickly but its rare that happens

Swiftcast Limit Break, yes thats possible.

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Originally Posted by GinTama

Swiftcast Limit Break, yes thats possible.

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According to SE swift cast LB isnt possible

Well I'm doing it all the time.

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Originally Posted by dragonflyseksparade

And my entire point is you're doing it wrong. Nobody is talking about using swiftcast on medica 2 to heal 1 or 2 dps. We're talking about raid-wide unavoidable aoe and using swiftcast on medica 2 so it only takes up 1 GCD.

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Lol neither was I. No one should swiftcast a medica for 2 people, don't be silly.
Whole party needs healing, but in no immediate danger, I cast a normal Medica 2, but again, I'm not doing that if it's an 'iffy' situation and I don't have the backup of knowing I can pull of a swiftcasted Cure 2 on the tank if I have to.
Whole party needs healing right now (probably because I delayed healing them while I was on the tank), of course I'm going to swiftcast Medica 2, and I still have benediction for the tank.

Let's just agree to disagree :p

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Originally Posted by kayuwoody

Let's just agree to disagree :p

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There's nothing to disagree about. You're simply doing it wrong by wasting Swiftcast on Cure 2. Period.

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Originally Posted by dragonflyseksparade

There's nothing to disagree about. You're simply doing it wrong by wasting Swiftcast on Cure 2. Period.

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Disagree! Period. >.<

My favorite is probably in WP mass pull speed runs.

(Cleric Stance) Holy -> Swiftcast -> Holy -> Drop CS during GCD if necessary to resume heals. It's impressive burst aoe.

Sometimes I will swiftcast a stoneskin when I know a big hit is coming (Everybody's Grudge, MB, etc) so I can push healing or dps a little longer beforehand.

I've done it a couple times with medica, for instance if Titan tumults immediately before one of his unavoidable aoes.

I can't say I've ever seen a situation where a swiftcast cure is ever necessary. Unless you count trolling FC tanks on speed runs for the lols

Yeah I love it in WP too hehhe.
Necessary? Not often. It's basically a good and flexible tool to use, and one use is similar to a mini benediction.
I'll give you an example situation: A 5.5k hp tank's down only 1.5 k hp (so at 4k currently), and you know boss will be doing a 3-4k hit in 2 seconds which may kill him if an unlucky auto attack also lands. You're halfway on GCD from healing party. You can't complete a Cure 2 cast in time, so what do you do? Waste benediction, swiftcast a Cure 2 or just cast your cure and pray? I know which one I'd pick ;)

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Originally Posted by GinTama

Well I'm doing it all the time.

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Are you sure? Tried it a few times and never worked for me. :(

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Originally Posted by Uriel_Sinclair146

According to SE swift cast LB isnt possible

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Originally Posted by GinTama

Well I'm doing it all the time.

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Swiftcast has never worked on the BLM LB3 for me.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Raise was the reason I got Swiftcast. And yet...its the thing I use it least on.

In WP speed-runs, I'll Swiftcast a Cure 2 on the first pull, then heal like normal (that first heal we're still moving into position and grabbing mobs, so it helps to be able to land a Cure2 while moving). I'll also Swiftcast Stoneskins onto the tank between pulls. And during the Slime boss, I'll Swiftcast SS onto myself if targeted by the Slime. Then there's Swifcast Holy that's used everywhere...

I also Swiftcast Medica 2 during Stomps on Titan if I need to quickly (like if the other heal dies or we really need another heal fast), or during Turn 2 if its needed. I don't like Raising during either of those fights, so I'm not opposed to using the CD there.

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Same here. lol. I now use it as Swiftcast + Adloquim when i'm running WP or anything I think the tank needs a bit of curing and I have to move out of the way. Titan fight when I have to Swiftcast + Succor after plumes. Anything useful.

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Originally Posted by dragonflyseksparade

And my entire point is you're doing it wrong.

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I don't think anyone is doing it wrong. Every WHM is going to have a different preference, and a comfort level with how they actually go about healing. If you read through this forums it's clear the community does things differently. I think what we can agree on is don't prioritize a DPS over a tank in terms of heals. Tank > Healer > DPS > Lalafell. :p

Whether or not we're talking about using swiftcast on cure or medica is a matter of opinion. I've never seen the need to Swiftcast/Cure, but I like to keep the tank around 70%+ without over curing. I tend to use Stoneskin a lot rather than bombing cures to begin with. I'll always SS to mitigate damage (rockbuster - I'm looking at you!), or Medica II the group in Turn 4 phase 5/6.

Resummoning pets on SMN/ACN and quick Medica/Medica II's on WHM are my most common uses.

I don't like macroing abilities together in general, since pressing two keys isn't much slower.

Using Succor/Medica/Raise/Resurrection while running is quite nice :D altho I use Swiftcast on Shadowflare quite often as well is quite fun use it as often you can or save it for certain situation you could tell someone "might" die xD

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Originally Posted by GinTama

Swiftcast Limit Break, yes thats possible.

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Originally Posted by GinTama

Well I'm doing it all the time.

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Are you sure you don't mean Surecast Limit Break? That works so that you don't get interrupted while casting it. Swiftcast doesn't affect the LB casting speed at all.

I use Swiftcast with a lot of spells. If I know I probably won't need to raise anyone soon, I'll use it for summoning pets, Stoneskin, Shadowflare...just a lot of random stuff. :)

The biggest draw for me is a mobile heal, like dodging bombs and landslide in titan, and casting adlo to top off the tank and shield for the incoming mountain buster without sacrificing mobility. Dropping instant raise is nice, but ideally, you shouldn't need it in the first place. Also, it's on a 60 second cooldown, which is pretty short, so don't be shy about using it unless you need to save it for incoming damage spikes.

If you're a scholar it helps when Eos dies too.

Ok - swiftcast raise macro... What happens if swiftcast is on CD? Does it just cast raise normal? Same question for any swiftcast macro?
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NM found this in the macro thread:

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Originally Posted by Layla-chan

I love macros that take advantage of cooldowns. For example, here is my Raise macro:

/macroicon "Swiftcast"
/ac "Swiftcast" <me>
/ac "Presence of Mind" <me>
/ac "Raise" <t>
/wait .8
/ac "Raise" <t>

Here is how it works: If Swiftcast is available, the macro will activate this and then Raise; it will not activate Presence of Mind and the first Raise because Swiftcast is still in its casting phase. If Swiftcast is still in cool down, then the macro will then activate Presence of Mind before casting Raise. Finally, if both Swiftcast and Presence of Mind are in cooldown, then Raise itself will be cast.

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