Petition for Crystal Tower should be 24 man not 8 man pugs

I still can not believe that they are doing this to use. Im so upset right now about this news

I've been working hard to create an FC with enough people to do 1-2 CT groups. CT was something I was looking forward to do as a Free Company and it's also an event that I had been hoping would bring the FC back together to do endgame content, but now apparently, SE doesn't care about community and social structure, they just want the casual player to login, DF something, play, and logoff without really much need to interact with people or form communities.

your petition is complete! they will add the option to queue with 24 people from your server. But, it's not coming in 2.1

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Originally Posted by Randalthor

Before launch, we were told that CT would be released as a 24 man raid with 3 groups of 8. You obviously assume that means that you can create your own 24 man raid and attempt CT.

For them to release this and say "OH HAI GUYS, you have to pug the remaining 16 people" is ridiculous. SE, at the very least admit this was a mistake and please tell us by when this nonsense will get fixed.

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huh? they said this wasn't ready YET but that it will be possible in the future. Possibly before 2.2 I hope. What are you going on about? you think this was their intention?

lol

Before launch, we were told that CT would be released as a 24 man raid with 3 groups of 8. You obviously assume that means that you can create your own 24 man raid and attempt CT.

For them to release this and say "OH HAI GUYS, you have to pug the remaining 16 people" is ridiculous. SE, at the very least admit this was a mistake and please tell us by when this nonsense will get fixed.

I would be more upset that the requirements for CT is ilvl55.

But they said for 2.1 that we would not be able to form the entire party server side. So 2.2 I'm sure we'll be able to.

They made it pretty clear in the live letter that the 8 man thing is a limitation of the DF and they have to do extra work (which they ARE doing) to make it possible to enter as 24. Yes it sucks but they didn't do this deliberately for some arbitrary reason, it's just gonna take longer to get that sorted.

They already said they couldn't get a full working 24-man ready in time for 2.1

But they will add it in a later patch. So we just have to deal with DF for now. It sucks, but this petition changes nothing.

Your petition is rather pointless considering they said they are already working on doing what you want.

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Originally Posted by matic

lol at petitions.

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1000% agree with lol at petitions. On every forum people make petitions about everything to the point where it's no longer valued. Petition to stop these pointless petitions.

Ceelo, you seriously need to calm down. Take a step back, take a few deep breaths, and read through the live letter Q&A posts again.

The way it's gonna be in 2.1 is not going to be a permanent design. I don't know how much more clearer they can be. There's no need for all the blustering and petitioning. Have some friggin' patience! You sound like a 3 year old throwing a temper tantrum.

Do you really think SE did this to screw with players? This is obviously a calculated decision in which they had to gauge their resources. They have their reasons, and it's possible we can see Alliance q's in the future, but it would be a waste of time to petition for something that the Dev team obviously took time to make the decision, already knowing people won't really like it.

you arent getting the point, they need to make it to where 24 man groups can que up on DAY ONE not weeks/months later, its going to screw over all the HC FC and groups its so not fair they are fuckign over progression players

Hmmm aren't progression players doing coils? and this is a downgrade ... how are they screwing progression players?

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and groups its so not fair they are

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you sound like a little kid dude. Stop with the temper tantrum

Your petition needs to read more like this; Petition to delay CT until 2.2 or to make Alliances work in 2.1

As they are already working on a fix for 2.2 (we'll see, SE has a track record that is pretty bad) your petition is redundant. What you should be asking for is a fix this instant or a hold on CT. Personally if they couldn't manage alliances right now they should have stated they are having problems and working on it. They may have lost subs anyway but this kind of back tracking and acting like it was all part of the plan from the start is really pissing players off. All's we want is open communication SE, is it really so much to ask for?

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Originally Posted by Ceelo_Mage

you arent getting the point, they need to make it to where 24 man groups can que up on DAY ONE not weeks/months later, its going to screw over all the HC FC and groups its so not fair they are fuckign over progression players

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How is that possible since CT drops are lower iLvl than Allagan?

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Originally Posted by Yurikitty

Your petition needs to read more like this; Petition to delay CT until 2.2 or to make Alliances work in 2.1

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I would agree with you if not for the fact that 2.1 has already been delayed (remember they said new content patches every 3 months? By the time 2.1 drops it'll be almost 4), and CT was supposed to be in the game at 2.0 launch. How much longer do you think they can delay releasing it before it's completely irrelevant? It's already gonna be bad enough with so many endgame FC's already decked out in iLvl 90 (soon to be iLvl 95) stuff.

wwwwwaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh *covers ears* sorry I can not hear anyone over all the whining!......

end game group content is progression duh

Liked it anyways Even though it doesn't affect my small FC and I doubt SE will actually response to it.

I just think the option to enter with a full static group should be there.

We've learned that petitions do nothing.

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Originally Posted by Ceelo_Mage

its so not fair they are fuckign over progression players

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Okay I had to stop laughing. Are you serious with that? There is NOTHING progressive about CT when compared to the current endgame content that is already available.

Crystal Tower is going to be extra content for, get this, FUN and ENJOYMENT, and also vanity gear. I know, I know... your mind must be totally blown right now. It's okay, you might recover.

Freecompanis are USELESS why dowe want a FC if everything is 4 and 8 man content?

Are we getting REAL 16 24 content?

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Originally Posted by ashikenshin

huh? they said this wasn't ready YET but that it will be possible in the future. Possibly before 2.2 I hope.

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You have validated what I posted. You also do not know when this will be fixed. I would like to see the full post that states that they made a mistake and that they are going to release this on a specific date to address that mistake.

You can't release 2.0, say that "fixes are coming in 2.1", release content in 2.1, then say "fixes to that content are coming in 2.2". Get it right the first time.

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Originally Posted by Randalthor

You have validated what I posted. You also do not know when this will be fixed. I would like to see the full post that states that they made a mistake and that they are going to release this on a specific date to address that mistake.

You can't release 2.0, say that "fixes are coming in 2.1", release content in 2.1, then say "fixes to that content are coming in 2.2". Get it right the first time.

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You seem to have no clue how programming works.

Maybe there is just misinterpretation going on. Maybe what the guy meant was you cannot queue for the dungeon using the dungeon finder with a 24 man team. So perhaps you can get your group together and just walk into the dungeon.

Main problem with this:
If your party is good and clear his part of the dungeon and the other PUG group failled you will have to wait for them........will be very very fun -.-;
other fun part. your party is well geared 70 and the other PUG group can enter with AF1 ilvl55 gear. so you better get ready to enjoy waiting after other group.

Might as well just hold CT until 2.2 because doing it with a bunch of pugs is most likely going to be very frustrating. If it isn't frustrating then CT is probably going to be jokingly easy. Basically as far as difficult content is concerned maybe the extreme mode primals depending on how difficult they are. I don't see extremes keeping end-game FC's busy for more than 1 month though.

Hopefully 2.2 has a lot of content released that is actually more difficult than we currently have and also ups the ILvl that can be obtained.

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Originally Posted by Regis

Hopefully 2.2 has a lot of content released that is actually more difficult than we currently have and also ups the ILvl that can be obtained.

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yup and the content we have atm will be nerfed at this time to make sure noob(Titan buyer, dungeon leecher and players who just dont want to figured how to play the job and the game) are not left behind.

LOLOL Petitions lolol

Hurray for people like the first and last one on this list.

The content is going to be irrelevant by the time they patch in something to where you can form your own premade alliance. This is the crux of the problem. People that have the means to form their own alliances want the ability to do so while the content is still fresh, not 3 months from now.

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Originally Posted by Randalthor

Before launch, we were told that CT would be released as a 24 man raid with 3 groups of 8. You obviously assume that means that you can create your own 24 man raid and attempt CT.

For them to release this and say "OH HAI GUYS, you have to pug the remaining 16 people" is ridiculous. SE, at the very least admit this was a mistake and please tell us by when this nonsense will get fixed.

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Obviously assume? No, I would only have assumed that had they said 1 24 man group, not 3 8 man groups. Plus it was a month or so back when they stated that CT would essentially be three groups working independently towards a common goal (something like that). Doesn't sound like a single 24 man group to me.

To come out now saying this is a surprise, and you didn't expect it means you either didn't read enough or didn't understand what you read.

Signed, with authority.

This could be the beginning of the end for this game, if nothing is changed.

I admit, my heart sank when I learned that the Crystal Tower would not be released in 2.0. And then now it will be released, but without support for more than one FC/server/friend-formed party.

I would prefer to have CT pushed back to support Alliance style, if it's being seen as the "vanity" and "for fun", "not required for progression" content.

Why?

Because people will burn out on it even in its current form before 2.2. The way that folks may have stopped running Castruum, Praetorium, Amdapor Keep, and most likely, will stop running Wanderer's Palace.

I cant wait for Df CT i get to have more elites in one single instant..

Hey can u skip cs
Hey can u guys hurry up
Hey you guys sucks
Hey your gear sucks
Hey guys looks like we have to carry another group.
Hey guys going afk for dinner,i should be bk by the time these guys are done.

Woot cant for CT.. Let see how many friends you make.

If Titan brang out the worst in ppl ,cant wait to see tge epic soap opera CT going to bring.

Lol at petition.

Cry about it? Gives you a chance to meet people outside of your comfort zone. You get to sync into it with a full man made party and most of the time the 3 parties will be separated anyhow.

Total bullshit

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Originally Posted by Yurikitty

Your petition needs to read more like this; Petition to delay CT until 2.2 or to make Alliances work in 2.1

As they are already working on a fix for 2.2 (we'll see, SE has a track record that is pretty bad) your petition is redundant.

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We really shouldn't have to wait another 3-4 months to get basic group functionality that every other MMO out there already has. Squee knew CT was going to be a 24 man thing. It's horrifically short-sighted of them to design their dungeon finder and party system in such a way that actively prevents people from creating 24-person groups.

That fix better come well before 2.2.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

We really shouldn't have to wait another 3-4 months to get basic group functionality that every other MMO out there already has. Squee knew CT was going to be a 24 man thing. It's horrifically short-sighted of them to design their dungeon finder and party system in such a way that actively prevents people from creating 24-person groups.

That fix better come well before 2.2.

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I'm thinking, thinking REAL hard, but i just can't seem to remember any MMOs that offered a Dungeon for 3 groups of players, with 3 separate paths for each group to take, with 3 separate loot tables and has fights that require 3 different parties to complete different objectives simultaneously ... Hell i cant even think of an MMO with a raid that required more than 1 Main Tank and sometimes and offtank that wasnt a gimmik (MageTank in Gruul and WarlockTank in Serpent)........

It sucks, but its' not going to be in the 2.1 launch. But they did say that in a future patch they will be adding an alliance system. The alliance system just didn't make it into 2.1