2.1 Crystal Tower

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Updates/page2

So apparently we can't form organized 24 mans for Crystal Tower. Thoughts from the raiding community?

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Originally Posted by Sylvanna

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Updates/page2

So apparently we can't form organized 24 mans for Crystal Tower. Thoughts from the raiding community?

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I read that it's iLvL 55 minimum with iLvL 80 loot. You can't form groups of 24 (8 only) and for people using iLvL90 the only benefit is vanity gear.

I don't even know what to say... what a let down.

I've always expected CT to be FFXIV's equivalent to WoW's raid finder. So if you're familiar with that, the notion of running raid finder with a full 24 man premade is retarded to begin with. Really not bothered by this.

The problem is that people can't play with their FC members, not anything to do with difficulty.

Yeah, subscription cancelled. They made a big mistake.

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Originally Posted by Iselore

I don't even know what to say... what a let down.

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I'm pretty sure it was always stated for a LONG time that CT is meant to be in a tier lower than Coil. You should take some antidepression pills if you are let down for all those months.

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Originally Posted by Troop86

Yeah, subscription cancelled. They made a big mistake.

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Why did you even make the sub in first place, since the info was already known?

Only one thought: man they sure love orange and blue.

The whining over this is kind of ridiculous. It's not ideal, but I doubt it's permanent. I'd rather have the dungeon out and play with 8 FC buddies than wait for another two months.

I also wonder if maybe it's 24 man, but you're split up into groups of 8, ala Phoenix Cave from FF6. Theoretically that would be a cool idea, as long as one group wasn't messing up another group's progress in some way. Just spitting ideas.

This is pretty much the nail in the coffin most of us had feared was coming for quite a while. The dev team they brought in has been suspect from the very beginning and has constantly shown they have zero idea how or intention of making this a sustainable game for anyone who plays longer than an hour a week. Sadly it could have been easily avoided with any amount of true testing(honestly I'm not even certain they had anyone with mmo experience test this game with some of the things they've done and things said by devs and even Yoship himself).

They picked a dangerous game in hoping the casual players wont reach max level in the next four months and start dropping like flies. I can't see the game going anywhere but floundering like SWTOR and the like.

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Originally Posted by cotti

I'm pretty sure it was always stated for a LONG time that CT is meant to be in a tier lower than Coil. You should take some antidepression pills if you are let down for all those months.

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Disappointed by the PUG factor of the CT, which certainly wasn't known. I couldn't care less for iLvL80 gear, but it was at least something to do with my FC friends until 2.2 was released.

Disappointing.....

This is heart breaking. My fc runs 6 bcob groups and we have been so looking forward to finally getting to play together. What's the point in 24 man if 16 aren't my friends?

This wouldn't work on Moogle but has any considered going into DF at the same time as your other groups with only "French listed"

Would DF match you together? On the JP cluster since no one picks French under language.

I am strangely comfortable with this. At this point, most HC gamers would only be gearing their other "alt" classes. Im glad its duty finder friendly. If you do not run Coil, there is not much to do... and coil only takes a couple of hours a day once you get it all down.

This gives me LOTS of options sitting right at my finger tips instead of sitting in town spamming to fill up a 24 man raid. Look how hard it is to get chimera/hydra/titan/coil groups together. I would rather spend my time playing instead of forming groups.

Also, they are giving another form of gear progressions outside of darklight ct/wp spamming. That system broke quite a few players. I think they are making strong strides forward.

Progression for casual to semi-hardcore players, maybe.

Meanwhile, I foresee hardcore players not renewing their subs.

idk, most people who consider themselves casual play this game at a minimum of 5x as much as me and more often closer 10-20x many hours a week as I do.

Outside of the hour in Coil and the hour not really caring about WP I don't log into this game and I haven't run a different schedule in almost 3 months. It doesn't much more casual than that.

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Originally Posted by snarkasaur

The whining over this is kind of ridiculous. It's not ideal, but I doubt it's permanent. I'd rather have the dungeon out and play with 8 FC buddies than wait for another two months.

I also wonder if maybe it's 24 man, but you're split up into groups of 8, ala Phoenix Cave from FF6. Theoretically that would be a cool idea, as long as one group wasn't messing up another group's progress in some way. Just spitting ideas.

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It isn't permanent. It was specifically said that just for now we won't be able to queue up as 24 people.

Sucks but I am happy there is no lockout like freaking Coil, so I can at least rotate members around.

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Originally Posted by Bayman

I am strangely comfortable with this. At this point, most HC gamers would only be gearing their other "alt" classes. Im glad its duty finder friendly. If you do not run Coil, there is not much to do... and coil only takes a couple of hours a day once you get it all down.

This gives me LOTS of options sitting right at my finger tips instead of sitting in town spamming to fill up a 24 man raid. Look how hard it is to get chimera/hydra/titan/coil groups together. I would rather spend my time playing instead of forming groups.

Also, they are giving another form of gear progressions outside of darklight ct/wp spamming. That system broke quite a few players. I think they are making strong strides forward.

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Your problem is that you need to form/join a HC Freecompany and not spam shout to pug Group Content

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Originally Posted by Estellios

It isn't permanent. It was specifically said that just for now we won't be able to queue up as 24 people.

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WHATS the point then ? they dont care about the progression communities in doing that, they need to release it as a 24 man group able to join and enter the instance they are shitting all over the end game players

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Originally Posted by Ceelo_Mage

Your problem is that you need to form/join a HC Freecompany and not spam shout to pug Group Content

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I am in a FC. I am in a static coil group. I have been running with the same group of friends since launch and most of them before this game came out. So... shush and leave your tropes to yourself.

Also, I got my relic with my FC. Unlike someone who had to pay another guild to do it for them.... http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-s%21%21/page6

Here is the problem. We all knew MONTHS ago that CT was the step between ak and coil. The dev team delivered what they promised... 24 man content that fits the gap between. Also the patch gives us PVP, more primals, more dungeons, different dungeons, and some class balances, housing, ability to change appearance. Any ONE of those would be a big deal in a patch. But apparently its not cool to think of all that we get... just whine about one aspect of the plethora of content delivered in a PATCH. I think anything but an EXPANSION when a game has been out half a year is what people are wanting. That is crazy.

Hard Core raiders (yes myself included) will have to wait till 2.2 for more coil and such. They have been telling us this for quite some time now.

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Originally Posted by Ceelo_Mage

WHATS the point then ? they dont care about the progression communities in doing that, they need to release it as a 24 man group able to join and enter the instance they are shitting all over the end game players

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They probably just haven't fixed up how to set up a full 24 person group in one party yet and will change it when they have the bugs with that sorted out

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Originally Posted by Ceelo_Mage

Your problem is that you need to form/join a HC Freecompany and not spam shout to pug Group Content

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If you're this concerned about CT then I'm sorry but your FC isn't HC. A real HC Freecompany wouldn't care about a dungeon that's for gearing up alts, new 50s and getting vanity gear.

SE

You've made a HUUUUUUGE mistake with this. Not being able to queue with a full premade for a raid? You don't do regular patching/hotfixes and instead do massive patches with long wait times between. This means that your only raid, which has been cleared for some time now, will be the only actual raid content for some time to come.

We built our entire FC around having three, solid Coil groups with the full intention of diving into Crystal Tower as a Free Company and ONLY as a Free Company. We were fine with the gear being 10 iLvl lower than Coil but we absolutely will not pug raid content.

As a result of this implementation choice, you are going to lose a majority of your raiders. You can mark that down.

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Originally Posted by Seobit

If you're this concerned about CT then I'm sorry but your FC isn't HC. A real HC Freecompany wouldn't care about a dungeon that's for gearing up alts, new 50s and getting vanity gear.

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Yeah, man, we'll just hang out for six months with nothing to do while they figure out how to program two more Full Party's into the UI.

Sounds good.

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Originally Posted by Ceelo_Mage

WHATS the point then ? they dont care about the progression communities in doing that, they need to release it as a 24 man group able to join and enter the instance they are shitting all over the end game players

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progression communities have already skipped this content and have always known it would be ilv80 so if they were waiting for this to have something to do and expecting challenges and useful gear they clearly had no clue what has been stated for a long time.

While I am sad, and slightly shocked that we cant run with all our FC at 2.1, if the content does not require it, and is repeatable then there isn't really much of an issue. The only was this will be a huge issue is if 1 group simply cant get past a part and it keeps the other 2 from finishing their bosses and getting their loot (since its chests for each group).

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Originally Posted by Synovius

SE

You've made a HUUUUUUGE mistake with this.-snip-

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"long wait times" I dunno, 3 months isn't the end of the world. Faster might be nice but really you want monthly content?... weekly? hourly? OMG i just finished the last thing I must have it now?
and "your only raid, which has been cleared for some time now," ... so COIL turn 5 which was legitimately cleared 2 months? after release, and most groups shortly after the release of a video (so they were close, and we don't know how far without the video but given the complaining on the forums I can assume fairly far)

I was expecting to have be able to enter with 24... but really entering with 8 isn't horrible, and they didn't say they wouldn't add alliance-like entry at a later date, it's just not coming out when the content is released.

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Originally Posted by KogaDrake

progression communities have already skipped this content and have always known it would be ilv80 so if they were waiting for this to have something to do and expecting challenges and useful gear they clearly had no clue what has been stated for a long time.

While I am sad, and slightly shocked that we cant run with all our FC at 2.1, if the content does not require it, and is repeatable then there isn't really much of an issue. The only was this will be a huge issue is if 1 group simply cant get past a part and it keeps the other 2 from finishing their bosses and getting their loot (since its chests for each group).

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It is a HUGE issue. Despite being iLvL 80, there was a lot of room for itemization in there where despite being 10 iLvL lower, pieces might still be best in slot. The fact that we can't queue together as a FC means this content will not get done by most FCs and we are now hung out to dry without any raid content for a VERY long time.

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Originally Posted by Teleniel

"long wait times" I dunno, 3 months isn't the end of the world. Faster might be nice but really you want monthly content?... weekly? hourly? OMG i just finished the last thing I must have it now?
and "your only raid, which has been cleared for some time now," ... so COIL turn 5 which was legitimately cleared 2 months? after release, and most groups shortly after the release of a video (so they were close, and we don't know how far without the video but given the complaining on the forums I can assume fairly far)

I was expecting to have be able to enter with 24... but really entering with 8 isn't horrible, and they didn't say they wouldn't add alliance-like entry at a later date, it's just not coming out when the content is released.

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Don't be dense. There are FOUR raid encounters in the game right now and CT is now no longer consider raid content.

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Originally Posted by Bayman

Here is the problem. We all knew MONTHS ago that CT was the step between ak and coil. The dev team delivered what they promised... 24 man content that fits the gap between. Also the patch gives us PVP, more primals, more dungeons, different dungeons, and some class balances, housing, ability to change appearance. Any ONE of those would be a big deal in a patch. But apparently its not cool to think of all that we get... just whine about one aspect of the plethora of content delivered in a PATCH. I think anything but an EXPANSION when a game has been out half a year is what people are wanting. That is crazy.

Hard Core raiders (yes myself included) will have to wait till 2.2 for more coil and such. They have been telling us this for quite some time now.

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Here is the actual problem, Tower was supposed to be released along with Coil. It however was pushed back a patch. Now, we are looking at 2.1 for CT (vanity/alt content) then wait till 2.2 for Progression content all for 2.3 to be again, vanity content with 2.4 being more coil perhaps. They need to get back to the original schedule and either release the second parts of Tower and Coil at the same time or put Floor 2 harder then Coil turns 1-5 and release that before the next turns in Coil.

This getting of basically vanity or alt content as fillers is not going to cut it for very long. Single boss duties and junk to fill your vanity chest is not get to hold people over for the 3 months while progression content is being worked on.

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Originally Posted by Bayman

I am in a FC. I am in a static coil group. I have been running with the same group of friends since launch and most of them before this game came out. So... shush and leave your tropes to yourself.

Also, I got my relic with my FC. Unlike someone who had to pay another guild to do it for them.... http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-s%21%21/page6

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You say that like "I deserve my relic more than the one that pays for the run" but you did the same thing but free.....

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Originally Posted by Seobit

If you're this concerned about CT then I'm sorry but your FC isn't HC. A real HC Freecompany wouldn't care about a dungeon that's for gearing up alts, new 50s and getting vanity gear.

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WHAAAAAT?
A real HC FC want to be world/server first CT so.... I don't know what are you saying

As the leader of the free company Frost on the Exodus server, I would like to express our thoughts in relation to 24 player content.

What is important to Frost is that we expect to raid together as a free company. I understand there is a ton of new content to explore in 2.1 but none of it really requires a large coordinated free company. We built Frost to have an active, fun community that loves to raid together. CT is not how we envisioned Frost and raiding.

Our player base is going to get extremely frustrated to roll into CT and potentially face failure due to newly geared AK players with minimal exposure to raiding. As a free company we take these new players and help them become skilled players. We cannot do this with the groups from duty finder.

I hope that all future content for 24 player raids that matter will be for Free Companies.

Peace,
Fizz Ling

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Originally Posted by Leon_Stormrage

WHAAAAAT?
A real HC FC want to be world/server first CT so.... I don't know what are you saying

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The first to do CT will likely be the first people who enter the dungeon :P

But its not possible to do CT as a guild anyway unless you are very lucky.

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Originally Posted by Rhained

The first to do CT will likely be the first people who enter the dungeon :P

But its not possible to do FC as a guild anyway unless you are very lucky.

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Yep sorry, they wanted it because now is not possible =P

Seriously Guys what the hell is WRONG with you people ?

Fun Information

1. A Real HC FC doesn't care if PUG's are with them as long as they get a try at being world first since you are getting 1/3 out of the whole party that'll be worth something.

2. 24 alliance raiding is coming just not for 2.1 but with 2.2 so you will be enter to go Ct in FC only.

3. A Real HC doesn't care about "progression" there are moments in gaming where the game is just finished its done there is nothing left to do time to go to another game or reallife !

If you are full ivl90 + Allagan Weapon you've finished the game do something useful for once and stop complaining if you're not full 90 even you can get something out of CT.

All of the Information you are bitching about is known for ages just get your shit together.

HC content is coming so calm down and play HC games and not casual mmo's like FFXIV with a bit of raiding content thrown in between.

P.S. If there is anyone going to check my equip and tell me something aobut l2p or "lol you're not even coiling bro" that's true because i didn't manage to get titan down on my own and i don't want to buy the kill. I will have plenty to do with 2.1 and if i ever get to the point where i finished all available content i'll jsut do some more reallife related things or play an alt. It is easy as that. This game is just beginning and veryone complaining is welcome to leave for the greater good you won't be missed !

I have to say that this announcement shocked me. CT was originally supposed to come out at launched. Then it was pushed back. Then it was pushed back again. Referring to all of 2.1 being pushed back a month. Now SE is planning on releasing CT without the ability to make a 24 man group? This is going to kill FCs. Ours has 6 BC groups so that we could do 2 full CTs. Right now with current content, I don't even get to play with more than my 8 man BC group. That fact that SE even began to think that this might be acceptable is insane. I understand the game is new. I understand things get delayed. I cant understand the fact that the ONE raid where more than a small group can get together, you cant do as a FC. So now I have to gamble that the other two 8 man groups don't suck. Cause from what Yoshi-P said, there are parts where we cant help each other. I promise you whats going to happen is 2 good groups are going to get stuck and not be able to finished because 1 group is bad.

Just queue up over and over again until you get your FC members together. That has been a feasible suggestion from many of the FC out there trying to work out a solution to this new problem. Maybe adjusting your raid times a bit for when no as many FC's are queuing at the same time to help ensure you get all your own people. There are some clever solutions out there for certain.

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Originally Posted by Valaskor

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I don't know why the people says: You are not equiped how can you say something, you know nothing!!!
You only need to investigate a little and use your brain to get some points...

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Originally Posted by Leon_Stormrage

WHAAAAAT?
A real HC FC want to be world/server first CT so.... I don't know what are you saying

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Do you really think any serious player cares about who's first to clear a dungeon that's meant to be cleared by a pug in AK gear? Anyone who's going to try to claim fame out of this is laughable.