Is there a thread for these? Since monk's combo abilities are stance dependent you can stack them in macros to do one button combos. I default with True Strike for second hit and have Twin Strikes on its own button. When it lights up I know I am on second hit of combo and will use it when buff is needed. I use the third hit of the combo for the icon, I know if none of them are lit up then they will open with bootshine. I will probably make single macros for One Ilm Punch and Dragon Kick as I acquire them and add Howling Fist to AOE macro.
I also put off-GCD abilities at the bottom and use them during the GCD. I change up the order so I can use a certain one if they are all on CD.
Snap Punch Combo
/micon "Snap Punch"
/ac "Snap Punch" <t>
/ac "Snap Punch" <tt>
/ac "True Strike" <t>
/ac "True Strike" <tt>
/ac "Bootshine" <t>
/ac "Bootshine" <tt>
/ac "Mercy Stroke" <t>
/ac "Mercy Stroke" <tt>
/ac "Blood for Blood" <me>
/ac "Internal Release" <me>
Demolish:
/micon "Demolish"
/ac "Demolish" <t>
/ac "Demolish" <tt>
/ac "True Strike" <t>
/ac "True Strike" <tt>
/ac "Bootshine" <t>
/ac "Bootshine" <tt>
/ac "Blood for Blood" <me>
/ac "Mercy Stroke" <t>
/ac "Mercy Stroke" <tt>
/ac "Internal Release" <me>
Twin Snakes (Use this when you need to buff, will make similar macros for One Ilm Punch and Dragon Kick):
/micon "Twin Snakes"
/ac "Twin Snakes" <t>
/ac "Twin Snakes" <tt>
/ac "Internal Release" <me>
/ac "Blood for Blood" <me>
/ac "Mercy Stroke" <t>
/ac "Mercy Stroke" <tt>
AOE:
/micon "Arm of the Destroyer"
/ac "Rockbreaker" <t>
/ac "Rockbreaker" <tt>
/ac "Twin Snakes" <t>
/ac "Twin Snakes" <tt>
/ac "Arm of the Destroyer" <t>
/ac "Arm of the Destroyer" <tt>
/ac "Featherfoot" <me>
/ac "Mercy Stroke" <t>
/ac "Mercy Stroke" <tt>
/ac "Blood for Blood" <me>
/ac "Internal Release" <me>
Monk rotation macros
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11-22-2013, 01:43 AMNonlinear314Monk rotation macros
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11-22-2013, 02:15 AMRochetm
No, no... no... please no. Don't do this.. its bad... knock it off.
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11-22-2013, 02:17 AMGenesiser
I tried using those types of macros before and while they do work, only hitting a few buttons made mnk sooo boring.
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11-22-2013, 02:25 AMNonlinear314why? Bar space on gamepad is valuable and this frees up multiple buttons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochetm
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11-22-2013, 02:26 AMNonlinear314So you think pushing a few more buttons to do the same thing is fun?Quote:
Originally Posted by Genesiser
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11-22-2013, 02:30 AMAllyrionI honestly do, hahah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nonlinear314
But I could see the need for this on a ps3 or gamepad. -
11-22-2013, 02:30 AMRochetm1) Monk doesn't have a rotationQuote:
Originally Posted by Nonlinear314
2) use Gamepad and have room for every ability and a few dozen more
3) Monk dosen't have a rotation
4) Monk doesn't have a rotation
5) One button macros are bad
6) Monk doesn't have a rotation
EDIT: Forgot to mention Monk doesn't have a rotation -
11-22-2013, 02:34 AMNonlinear314you have convinced me of nothing, your logic and persuasion skills need a lot of work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochetm
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11-22-2013, 02:36 AMGardes
Latency will eventually screw up combo acknowledgment and allowance and you'll end up doing dragon kicks multiple times, wasting greased lighting refresh gap.
Stacking BfB and Internal release into your attack macro will just make you waste them as soon as possible and it's just not desirable. Imagine activating BfB and IR because your were pressing the macro to attack and titan jumping up right after you activate it.
Even if you dont care for snake and true strike alternation, there will be times where you have to choose between starting with dragon kick or bootshine and end it with snap punch or demolish. Unless you want to be rigid and have gaps in your attacks instead of having a closer to ideal up time on dots/buffs/debuffs, it's best to separate them and use different bar set changes and pedal between them as you play instead of 1-2-3 macros that cant be changed.
It's like programming an rc car to run through a race track, except the race track can change at anytime so your car will just slide and drag along it slowing you down by alot instead of smoother manual control. Macros in this game is too dumb, especially with the absence of conditionals. -
11-22-2013, 02:37 AMEasymodeX
Automatically losing 5-15% of your DPS because of the lost ability queuing is not what I would call effective.
Mitigating that by mashing the macro causes macro errors where the abilities are executed out of order.
Macroing Monk attack sequences is theoretically plausible (and I set up a SP-TR-BS macro at level 4 or w/e you get all 3) ... but horrible in practice with FF14's engine/client (I deleted the macro after fighting 4 mobs with it).
If the FF14 client/macro/ability execution were clean (like RIFT's for example), you could simulate this effectively by having, say, two macros:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gardes
1: SP - TW - DK
2: DM - TR - BS
And you could simply not press all 3 steps of each sequence. E.g. to BS-TR-SP, you would press 221.
Although in that situation with the way DM and SP are timed, I would probably have SP in both macros and have DM as a separate button. -
11-22-2013, 02:38 AMAllyrionThese macros aren't based on the rotation. Just looking at them, you can see they you can memorize the abilities that each button has listed and use them while still saving space.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochetm
All it does is condense the buttons, not force you into a rotation. If I understand it correctly that is.
This is only possible due to our stances.
To the OP, I believe it'd be better if you controlled your cooldowns (BfB and IR). Also I've heard that these macros suffer from a delay or something. -
11-22-2013, 02:41 AMNonlinear314
for situational stuff I remove the off GCD abilities from all my macros and have other bars for that but for a majority of content CDs less than 2 min can be blown on demand and not doing so just makes it so they don't get used as often.
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11-22-2013, 02:48 AMGardesSo you'd rather just blow through gcds 'randomly' instead getting yourself used to blow gcds constantly manually and then halt when you sense that having these gcds available soon for a particular fight and profit much more from it? And to that end you'd constantly swap macros in and out of your hotbar/chotbar and maybe even prepare multiple sets just for this instead of having a simpler manual-but-do-it-all set up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nonlinear314
Okay. -
11-22-2013, 02:56 AMBabylyn90
I've never macro'ed a monk rotation because it just never seemed feasible given that a rotation is simultaneously mob and positionally dependent. At the end of the day you're sacrificing dmg/efficiency for simplicity.
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11-22-2013, 03:03 AMGardesOh believe me, I know. Which is why I mentioned that you can end up doing dragon kicks in succession because the latency and macro couldn't agree with each other and you run the risk of losing GL.Quote:
Originally Posted by EasymodeX
I've tried this. I love macroing and I can waste hours trying to figure out the perfect one for me. For this particular one, again, from my experience, latency can interfere (combo glow/stance progress is based on server acknowledgement). I've even tried set1 for stance1 attacks, set2 for stance 2 attacks, set3 for stance attacks (on controller but on keyboard it's basically putting other bars into your bar with macros so you dont have to press 1 then c1, then s1 if you set up your stance combo in a 3x3 manner) and then have all of the attacks as macros with a hotbar change command attached to each that will make the bar display proceed along the stances as you. This one has a problem with pressing too early before skill can activate. Like you want to do dragon kick, but you pressed the macro before the gcd is up and the macro kicks you forward to stance 2 set. None of the stance 2 sets are activate-able because you didnt do the stance 1 attack. You can keep mashing the buttons to kick you again to stance 1 set but in the end, it can just confuse you.Quote:
Originally Posted by EasymodeX
It can be somewhat remedied with adding a /wait 1 before the stance bar switch command but a macro press will interrupt the previous macro press, including the /wait, if you keep pressing it trying to get a skill out, eventually you can overlap with the gcd and waste even more time -
11-22-2013, 03:36 AMEasymodeX
Hmm ... Iknowyouknow; I was merely commenting on your particular comment related to the "rigidity" of said macros.
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11-22-2013, 04:11 AMLemon8or
Why would you want macros for monk? I play on gamepad and a shoulder button hit to switch page is not a lot of work.... I would rather figure out how to play the class correctly than trying to remember which skill is in which macro...
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11-22-2013, 04:11 AMpandabearcat
I don't see the need, but then again I don't know a gamepad.
How I would set it up, assuming you have like, 4 buttons on the pad, and like a bunch of triggers right?
Assuming you could trigger to change the attack all you need is, 3 buttons no mod for a base rotation, 3 buttons triggered for the 2nd set of attacks per stance.
Another 4 buttons with another trigger for your two common cooldowns and your oGCDs.
And another trigger with aoe abilities. -
11-22-2013, 04:46 AMOblitTotal waste, buffs will be going off randomly. Dragon Kick or Bootshine will sometimes go off when you are trying to execute Raptor or Ceourl stance abilites etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nonlinear314
I only use macros like these:
/macroicon "Steel Peak" <t>
/ac "Steel Peak" <t>
/ac "Shoulder Tackle" <t>
*Only one skill will get activated depending on your distance from your target.
/macroicon "Mantra" <me>
/ac "Mantra" <me>
/ac "Second Wind" <me>
/ac "Featherfoot" <me>
*can even add Keen Flurry and/or Foresight if you use those abilites. This is my "Oh sh*t" macro.
/macroicon "Blood for Blood" <me>
/ac "Blood for Blood" <me>
/ac "Internal Release" <me>
/ac "Bloodbath" <me>
/macroicon "Mercy Stroke" <t>
/ac "Mercy Stroke" <t>
/ac "Haymaker" <t>
The reason why I don't like Mercy Stroke with my combo is I dont want it randomly going. It can mess up my GL stacks. -
11-22-2013, 07:12 AMRochetmThere is no persuading you. You think you are right and will never change. But here let me win...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nonlinear314
Perfect Balance...
Game over, I win. -
11-22-2013, 10:48 AMNonlinear314
that is why first hit is the last hit of the combo.
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11-22-2013, 05:48 PMRochetmLike I said... I win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nonlinear314
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11-22-2013, 05:52 PMGardesIf snap punch or rockbreaker is at the top of the macro, it will push out snap punch or rockbreaker spam...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochetm
but believe it or not, sometimes the macro just does whatever it wants. I've gotten double dragon kicks from peanut butter and these kind of macros instead of the snap punch spams that I want. -
11-22-2013, 05:52 PMSize
He wins, close the thread.
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11-22-2013, 06:02 PMRochetmTo bad you shouldn't be only using Snap punch when using PB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gardes
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11-22-2013, 06:06 PMGardes
It's just an example. I'm saying that PB will force you into spamming SP and even if you want to do that, sometimes even the macro fails at that.
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11-22-2013, 06:17 PMRochetmI thought that was what you where going for. I just wanted to point out that even if it worked it still doesn't work ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gardes
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12-06-2014, 06:05 AMCrystusQuote:
Originally Posted by Nonlinear314
Limited space using a gamepad is a problem with a lot of the jobs, but mnk is not one of them. it has so many rare use skills you can just put them on the 2nd HB and switch over if need them, which is unlikely. Or put so L2+R2 switch to HB2 right.
SCH and SMN and WAR need to save space and it's a huge problem to get a proper layout, but with mnk? totally unneccessary -
12-09-2014, 12:21 AMKaze3434
im trying to figure out why so many people seemed ok with someone macroing skills like this.
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12-09-2014, 12:32 AMMibhas
Macroing combos is a Godawful idea.
This will try to do all of these skills at once, meaning that only the first Snap Punch would actually go through. You'd have to put waits in and since those can only be integers, you'd be losing upwards of half a second between each move.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nonlinear314
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12-09-2014, 12:34 AMNanaho
I Use a Gamepad, MNK was my Main before NIN, i have about 4 empty slots on 2 page setup using the Right Bumper (or R1 for PS Controllers)
Using macros just slows your DPS you cannot que abilities, you cannot logically decide when and where to use Buffs. etc its just not a good idea.
If you really are running out of space on your gamepad to effectively use your MNK you need to rethink your priorities on abilities you're equipping to it
also i didnt see anyone mention this but as a gamepad user i tend to make my "spammy" stuff on my first page, your main combo abilities and stuff like that, and leave all the not so often used stuff, like Second Wind, Mantra etc on the second page...
TL;DR Don't use Combo macros on MNK, it's just a bad idea if you're trying to actually perform well at the job. -
12-09-2014, 12:38 AMBixby
One year later: still a bad idea.
Edit: OP hasn't even posted anywhere on the forums since December of last year. Don't think he's gonna be paying much attention to this thread anymore. -
12-09-2014, 03:38 AMKaishaMNK is one of the worst jobs to use macros on due to lack of skill queueing on said macros. It's a DPS lost, especially when GL3's up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nonlinear314