BEWARE of PUGing Turn 1! You could get trolled immensely and lose coil priviledges

There's a group of trolls out there. I saw it happen today to a friend. People on turn 5 forming groups for turn 1. There is no indicator what turn your party leader is actually on, so you're putting all faith that your party leader is actually on turn 1.

If they go in and you see turn 5, it's already too late and you are locked to it. Beware.

That is saddening to read... Such actionss should get reported.

Really sad to see. Hoping they fix this.

Lol wow. xD
I guess it's not surprising, but damn that is seriously messed up all the same.

In Russia, coil gets locked out from you!

Seriously though that's abhorrent, NAMES?

We had a similar experience last night with this and getting the a party member progressed further message.
Luckily for us the pug was taking advantage of the T1 servers being full and we found out later after replacing them for such suspicions they were saved after ADS miniboss up to Caduceus when they denied it. On the upside, no trash but at the cost of an hour and a half wasted :/

Progression saves should be with boss kills, not with entering what segment.

Well ADS on T1 is not necessarily a bad thing to pre kill...

So as soon as you enter T5 you're locked into it? Damn that really sucks. Wouldn't that be a bannable offense under "intentional griefing" or something of the sort?

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Originally Posted by Vantwan

So as soon as you enter T5 you're locked into it? Damn that really sucks. Wouldn't that be a bannable offense under "intentional griefing" or something of the sort?

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Yes if you join on a Turn that is advanced in numbers you may not go bacl to previous turns. It is like joining a raid already in progression.

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Originally Posted by Sfarzoso

Well ADS on T1 is not necessarily a bad thing to pre kill...

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By all means no haha. But the pug's d-bagery cost us an hour and a half over a 20 minute-ish run >.<

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Originally Posted by Loxley

By all means no haha. But the pug's d-bagery cost us an hour and a half over a 20 minute-ish run >.<

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Sadly there is a lot of commnity issues like your case. I think it is a lack of respect. For example I am tired to join group where I cannot be allowed to lot. I just end not progressing only having mytnology to advance in gear.

Respect needs to apply for everyone,

Well that guy won the internet lol

also this thread isn't really helping anyone. Can't even say names because you will get suspended from the forums

so yeah.

All we really need to stop this kind of thing is confirmation of the zone we're entering when the party leader registers the group for coil.

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Originally Posted by Sfarzoso

Sadly there is a lot of commnity issues like your case. I think it is a lack of respect. For example I am tired to join group where I cannot be allowed to lot. I just end not progressing only having mytnology to advance in gear.

Respect needs to apply for everyone,

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Devs truly didn't expect this idiocity from our community. Why you wonder? Because a japanese man from the japanese community will NEVER do something so idiot and dishonorable like this :rolleyes:

Nor for loot. Noone invite someone barely thinking he will not be entiled to the loot. How idiot can be some players, i wonder :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Thunderz

Well that guy won the internet lol

also this thread isn't really helping anyone. Can't even say names because you will get suspended from the forums

so yeah.

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We can hope this thread is addressed to the dev team, and we finally get a fix, warning us of which level we are entering. Nothing new, just an already existing window like the one when you begin a fate or do a class/story quest, where you are warned of the level required, and if you accept to begin "Coil Turn 5. Proceed? Agree - Not Yet" :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Thunderz

Well that guy won the internet lol

also this thread isn't really helping anyone. Can't even say names because you will get suspended from the forums

so yeah.

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eh. it absolutely is helping. if more people are made aware of this issue more people will 'rage' against it and SE in turn changes it.
up until this topic I thought that you get locked out after a kill, just like in every single game with lock outs I've ever played. naive? maybe. but it should be that way. (well, I think lockouts are bull but that's a whole other story)

ps: I'm not entirely sure that it's fair to say this is a 'non-japanese' issue, implying only 'players from the west' (murica?) do this.

I can honestly say I've seen 'hostile' behaviour in a lot of other games before, most noticably at launch on SWTOR (I play on a US PVP server) but bad behaviour was usually 'just' insulting, and hardly ever actually sabotaging people's accomplishments. you'd never see people staying afk the entire run to still farm, or leave a dungeon right away just because someone watches cutscenes (and in TOR there's often someone 'demanding' you skip the cutscenes. but I don't remember anyone ever leaving over it)

and now this... why is there still no wall of shame? not even on any of the non-official forums...

Great endgame lockout system design, 10/10 would endgame and keep subbed again.

Now thousands out there know the idea. GJ

All they need to do to fix this is add a system message saying "you are about to enter turn X. Are you sure?"

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Originally Posted by Brises

All they need to do to fix this is add a system message saying "you are about to enter turn X. Are you sure?"

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I was about to suggest something similar. "You are about to enter Turn X. Proceed? [] Yes [] No"

This issue was reported to them by a friend like a month and a half ago and they still haven't implemented any sort of confirmation messaging for entering Coil.

It's stupid that the game even locks you out of turns you have not done yet. There's no valid reason for locking you out of 1-4 if you happen to do 5 first. Just another anti FC measure the game has. Every player should be allowed to complete each turn once regardless of the order.

They should do it like teleport where the groups gets a confirmation box, saying do you want to enter Binding Coil of Bahamaut - Turn 1, or the "dungeon name" such as The right hand of Bahamaut

They definitely could add a "confirmation" window for Coil.

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Originally Posted by Brises

All they need to do to fix this is add a system message saying "you are about to enter turn X. Are you sure?"

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Then kids and trolls will show up shouting "TOO MANY CONFIRMATION WINDOWZ!!1!!!11! WTH NONSENSE!!1! BS SE, CHANGE THIS OR I QUIT!! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:" or something similar.

PS. I support confirmation message.
PPS. I can't understand that taste for trolling/scamming, be it in-game or IRL.

End Game is so fail . They should've just gone with Loot Lockouts . The player who starts instance saves the state of bosses .. dead or alive . If that player joins another players instance they could do turn 1 again etc But not loot turn 1.

This means people could actually help friends and FC players instead of this Bullshit where if you aren't able to make a certain time date you cant raid . If your FC is small and only has 12 lvl 50 players 1.5 teams you get screwed out of end game .

Wow, this is really sad... but I am almost concerned about this thread existing. It's just going to spread the knowledge and give more trolls who did not think of this a way to annoy people. I'm ingame right now, and just as I read this thread... someone is shouting about the same exact thing, except the group was advertised as turn 2 and they were brought into turn 3. I agree that a simple "You are about to enter Turn X. Proceed?" would solve the problem. Even before I realized people were abusing this to grief, I always found it weird that a party leader could just drag you in without your consent.

This is one thread that needs to be bumped and bumped and bumped and bumped and bumped over and over and over and over until a moderator comes and says it will be fixed in 2.1.

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Originally Posted by Zfz

This is one thread that needs to be bumped and bumped and bumped and bumped and bumped over and over and over and over until a moderator comes and says it will be fixed in 2.1.

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If you're used to this forum, the best we get is the thread locked and forgot, bumper banned :rolleyes:

This is the kind of things that need public shaming on so people on the same server know to avoid. OP, I think you should screenshot and release their name especially on the server subforum. Screw the forum ban.

Friends got trolled the last and this week. SE seriously needs to implement something on this matter asap.

gear deletion should be the penalty.

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Originally Posted by Namasu

This is the kind of things that need public shaming on so people on the same server know to avoid. OP, I think you should screenshot and release their name especially on the server subforum. Screw the forum ban.

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Public shaming will get you banned on the forums, but I'm not sure how shouting ingame would affect your account. A few victims of this method of trolling are shouting the names of the people responsible on my server. I would be sincerely annoyed if I found out they were banned for shaming people who deserved it.

You know what i find fun? During beta SE was so proud of their ingame jail, warning the userbase about penalties like end up logging on that jail, and gear deletion :rolleyes:
The topic of this thread may be a nice example. Now i wonder, what happened to that ingame jail? So far, no crime is punished on this game, at all , the only thing SE do (and bad too) is ban bots :rolleyes:

http://youtu.be/Dp3JJ2WDqc4

I think it would be enough to show the same window that appears for DF instances, in the end coil is an instance too.

I know at least 1 person on my server who got a 24 hour stay in Mordion Gaol for griefing in Mor Dhona. They definitely use it.

Good news everyone! We cured "ADS!"

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I think they should compile a list of people who got punished/jailed for griefing, and a short description of what that person did; e.g.

• Intentionally saving other people to later turns in BC than claimed.
• Harassing specific players using tell.
• Emote spam for an extended period of time in populated places.
• MPK other players in Duty Finder.

Griefers need to know that punishments are actually dealt. Making the threat of punishment feel real not only makes the player population safer in general, it also reduces GM workload.

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Originally Posted by Alyko

Really sad to see. Hoping they fix this.

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Not saving you until you kill a boss would be the way to go.

They should just give a confirmation box, but only if you are about to enter a turn you have not reached yet (have not beaten the previous turn that week).

This trolling is also reportable, it's disrupting gameplay.

Why are people trying to pug coil? Get a group of friends from your fc or ls and run it.


But I support the confirmation message.