So the 2 jobs I like to play are both in for some changes in 2.1 I main BRD and WAR. Both are 50 and I am spending my Phil on my BRD(or was until I heard about "nerf") and my Myth on WAR.
My main question is does anyone know when they will be announcing the changes to WAR? Will we here before 2.1 or will it be info given at launch?
I can tell you that is they take away the BRD's mobility then I will just mothball that, that is the best part about the job IMO. I have BLM to 40 and I will just 50 with hit to have a ranged DD.
My hope is that they buff WAR to make it hang with PLD more endgame. I can even feel the effects when running WP SR's (not true endgame I know). I have to watch the weight of my pulls or I just get chewed up to fast for the healer to keep up or if there heals are OP then they rip hate off me before I can establish hate on the whole pack. I am running DL/AF2 and Relic to do so and it pisses me off to no end how PLD's can accomplish that with using DL/AK gear.........
I take my BRD to coil as I am too afraid to take my WAR and get raped, even with my gear it is kind of hard to tank HM Titan and I hear Coil tanking is even more difficult.
EDIT: Just wanted to add the cahnges coming in 2.1 as they were annouced on the first post to save people having to go to the 3rd page to find it
Marauder Changes
Brutal Swing
- Recast time will be reduced from 30 to 20 seconds, increasing the frequency with which players can stun foes.
Overpower
- Enmity generated by this skill has been increased.
Storm's Eye
- TP cost will be reduced from 70 to 60.
Storm's Path
- TP cost will be reduced from 90 to 60.
- This skill will also reduce damage dealt by enemies for a period of time.
Holmgang
- Range will be increased from 3 yalms to 6, to make the skill more effective.
- This skill will now pull enemies toward your character.
- When using this skill, a player's HP cannot be reduced lower than 1.
- The animation for this skill will be revised. (See screenshot above)
Vengeance
- This skill will also reduce damage taken by 30%.
Mercy Stroke
- Recast time will be reduced from 60 to 40 seconds, improving ease of use.
Thrill of Battle
- Effect duration will be extended from 10 to 20 seconds.
Warrior Changes
Defiance
- Enmity generated by this skill will be increased.
- This skill will also increase HP recovery via curing magic by 20%.
Wrath
- The improved healing effect granted by Wrath will be removed. Instead, the improved healing effect will be granted by Defiance.
Inner Beast
- Due to overall balance changes, HP absorbed by damage dealt will be reduced from 300% to 100%
- Damage taken will be reduced by 20% for 6 seconds.
Steel Cyclone
- This skill will generate increased enmity.
Unchained
- Recast time will be reduced from 180 to 120 seconds, improving ease of use.
The main focus of these changes—as the seasoned warriors among you have already observed— was Inner Beast and its HP absorption effect. With these changes, warriors will no longer be dependent on a single skill to recover HP, and have overall improved defense.
To put it simply, we want to ensure the role of warriors as durable tanks. This is why we've also adjusted the effects of Wrath and Defiance. As currently implemented, warriors are forced to lose their healing bonus when using certain skills. However, these changes will allow players to use their warrior skills without sacrificing improved healing, and also maintain the critical hit bonus of Wrath.
Although warrior will no longer recover immense amounts of HP in a single use of Inner Beast, these changes should improve the overall defensive capability of warriors and the ability to heal them using a support class or job.
Patch 2.1 may seem a long way off, but please understand that we have to test these balance changes not only in encounters to be introduced in the upcoming patch, but all existing encounters as well.
(Please refer to a previous post for details on why we cannot break up patch 2.1)
While I regret having to keep you waiting, I am confident these changes, along with the numerous additions we have planned for patch 2.1, will be well worth your patience.
WAR changes update?
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11-19-2013, 06:31 AMDevilsWAR changes update?
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11-19-2013, 07:00 AMWellGramarye
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11-19-2013, 07:12 AMDevils
So we are assuming that they will address all the changes there?
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11-19-2013, 08:39 AMVactus
With your gear, you should easily be able to tank Titan and at least the first two turns of Coil. If you can't then either you have bad healers or you need to figure out what you're doing wrong. They may or may not address the changes at that particular live letter. It's not listed so it's possible we won't find out the changes until 2.1 actually drops. Which I believe is smart. Let people know now and people will find more reasons to whine and cry.
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11-19-2013, 09:34 AMDevils
Well I know how to tank, even with over 7k HP sometimes a strong table flip and a crit after takes me down. Other than that I am fine with hate and healing through the rest. Just sucks to see a lower geared PLD tnaking it much easier than my AF2 WAR.
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11-19-2013, 10:32 AMDevils
After reading this I am dying for more info, they literally only talked about 3 changes when they are contemplating up to 7?
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Warrior
We're hearing a lot of talk saying that warrior is weak compared to paladin, but there are a couple of points I'd like to go over, so I'll go over them one by one.
First, I'd like to talk about the boss monsters in the Binding Coil of Bahamut Turn 1 and 4. We designed them so that even tanks could not withstand their attacks when they have buffs stacked; however, at the moment only paladin is able to survive through a method we had not thought of. Our original vision for this was that players would clear these encounters by properly removing enemy buffs or kill them all before it got to the point where they would one-shot players.
Since this is content that has already been released and strategies have already been established, we won't be making adjustments to these encounters. Instead we'll be looking into making adjustments to warrior so they can withstand this like paladin is able to.
Next is the matter of warrior's stun. Unlike the paladin's stun, which is tied to the global cooldown, warrior can use stun at any time, which helps maintain stacks of wrath. However, there are times when you need to use stun consecutively, or the timing is difficult due to its activation time. Because of this, it would seem that players have a negative impression of warrior's stun. We'll be making adjustments in patch 2.1 so that warrior's stun is more useful, which should help address the disparity between warrior and paladin.
There's also the matter of Wrath and the use of Inner Beast. I believe that a lot of players are using Inner Beast to self-cure when taking a large amount of damage, but after becoming infuriated with five stacks of Wrath, players receive a 15% curing bonus, so instead of using Inner Beast right after taking heavy damage, I think it would be better to wait for heals from a white mage or scholar.
In addition to the curing bonus, Wrath has other benefits as well. For example, while Paladin certainly has high vitality and HP, we've worked to balance them with Warriors based on the amount of damage they take and the amount of HP they're healed for. However, we've made these adjustments bearing in mind that warriors have Wrath active. This is what makes the job difficult to use effectively. Using Inner Beast spends all stacks of Wrath, which makes it difficult to use Inner Beast right after a combo, and then build the stacks back up with the following combo. With that said, from a healer's perspective, although warriors can heal themselves right after taking heavy damage, once they use Inner Beast they don't heal themselves well, giving the impression that they lack defense.
These are a few of the factors contributing to the problems we've seen with warrior. While we'd like you all to continue experimenting with uses for Wrath up until patch 2.1, we feel effective use of this skill is a bit difficult, so we'll be making adjustments in patch 2.1. There are several other aspects of the job that will be adjusted, but rest assured that warrior will become stronger come December.
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11-19-2013, 02:47 PMReiszRieWhat they're saying is that players are playing WARs wrongly thus giving the impression that WARs are gimped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devils
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11-19-2013, 03:05 PMMarxam
Wrath stacks are designed wrong. The fact that it takes 2.5 rotations to get 5 is just stupid. It needs to be 2 rotations max.
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11-20-2013, 02:08 AMDevilsGuess I didn't get that impression. I know lots of WAR's will use their wrath stacks when they shouldn't. I pretty much just hold on to mine until I need an emergency heal from IB then just use infuriate to get them back. I haven't really experienced anything yet worth losing the 5 stacks over on a regular basis. Which based off what Yoshi said below it sounds like I am doing it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReiszRie
I personally think they will making some big adjustments to how wrath works and what we use it for based on this:Quote:
There's also the matter of Wrath and the use of Inner Beast. I believe that a lot of players are using Inner Beast to self-cure when taking a large amount of damage, but after becoming infuriated with five stacks of Wrath, players receive a 15% curing bonus, so instead of using Inner Beast right after taking heavy damage, I think it would be better to wait for heals from a white mage or scholar.
I can't think of an instance in any MMo where self healing on this type of scale worked out. The closest would be Dark Knight from WOW but there was pretty much constant self heals and a blood shield for overhealing. Nice when you knew something was coming and just pop a big hit for the shield and ride it out.......Quote:
These are a few of the factors contributing to the problems we've seen with warrior. While we'd like you all to continue experimenting with uses for Wrath up until patch 2.1, we feel effective use of this skill is a bit difficult, so we'll be making adjustments in patch 2.1. There are several other aspects of the job that will be adjusted, but rest assured that warrior will become stronger come December
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11-20-2013, 03:02 AMKitruThe reason that self healing worked/works on Death Knight is because it *scales with incoming damage*. The problem with 99% of self healing mechanisms is that they don't. The biggest problem with self-healing as a major mitigation mechanism is that it *doesn't*. Of course, DK is more of an absorb shield tank since you use Death Strike more for the absorb shield it generates that's way bigger than the heal itself; DK ends up being less of a self healing tank than an absorb shield tank with a bit of healing on the side, which solves the other major problem with self healing as mitigation: it's reactive, which makes you liable to fall over dead to the increasingly popular burst damage mechanisms that content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devils
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11-20-2013, 03:08 AMDevilsWell put, I wish they would just move us to an absorb based tank. I personally LVOED the play style of DK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kitru
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11-20-2013, 03:23 AMwhiskeybravo
I'll use Inner Beast in a jam to try and stay alive if the healer falls. But I prefer stacking Unchained, Berserk, Bloodbath, and Maim. Haven't unlocked Infuriate yet, but I could see myself using that stack, then Infuriate + IB.
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11-20-2013, 05:22 AMTiggyWhen you're getting slammed in the face in the coil such strategies will never work. You still have to hit with your usual attacks to get healing from Bloodbath, and that will take many turns of the GCB before you see a decent amount of combined healing. When Caduceus is ripping your HP pool to shreds this strategy would do absolutely nothing to keep you alive when your healer goes down. Dropping Berserk + Bloodbath + IB for a 1500+ heal then infuriating and doing yet another 1500+ heal is considerably more effective in a fraction of the time. Even that isn't enough to help me fight against Caduceus for more than a few attacks. Honestly though I rarely use berserk in that setup because I'd rather use berserk after the Infuriate+IB to get 1 stack of wrath back instantly.Quote:
Originally Posted by whiskeybravo
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11-20-2013, 05:56 AMZakalweThe Warden in LotRO also comes to mind. Wardens (soon to be disfigured beyond recognition) have been medium armoured, lower-hp, self-healing, self-buffing tanks using a unique 'gambit' method for launching skills (not through clickies). The class has worked pretty well but it has had the same problems of other self-healing tanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devils
Self heals didn't scale with damage, so with every cap rise the class had to be carefully rebalanced. And even so it was always careening from ghod-like OP to broken. And even when it was gotten about right it would be excessively powerful in small group content but a little weak in tougher raid content -- relative to the standard mitigation sword and board tank known as the Guardian. -
11-20-2013, 06:35 AMwhiskeybravo
Well I haven't got there yet with either WHM or WAR, so I'll worry about that strategy when I do finally get there lol.. I guess I mainly meant for burst damage during a boss fight, I'll use IB while waiting for Unchained timer to reset. But from a WHM perspective Warriors take way more damage then Paladins. I just didn't know all that when I started XD
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11-20-2013, 06:44 AMDevils
They really just need to make IB spammable and cost 1 wrath stack and work like Death Strike for a heal and a blood shield type thing. Have like another Combo of Heavy Swing--->Inner Beast to increase IB potency and heal/absorb shield. So if you use IB without the combo it is just a heal, use with combo and it heals/shield. So then we are working to keep wrath stacks up and also relatively reliably healing ourselves. I think the potency of the IB heal would have to be lower to get the balance right but at least it would be fun to play and more competitive with PLD
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11-20-2013, 07:19 AMShinkyoThey should make Infuriate give 15 sec (5 GCD at least) where all wrath skills cost 1 wrath and over self-heals are stored as shield (). That would be a good WAR equivalent to Hallowed Ground. oh and make it a 5 min CD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devils
Still won't scale with incoming damage but will mitigate one of the key imbalance with PLD while staying true to the WAR design.
Then few tweaks here and there (25% heal bonus in defiance, 20% damage reduce trait on Foresight, higher % self heal in general and 1.0 Steel cyclone) and we'd be pretty competitive with PLD while keeping our offensive tank identity.
Would love to do 10+ mobs pull in WP and just spam berserk, bloodbath and Steel Cyclone x 5!!! -
11-20-2013, 11:34 AMDevils
I know, it is hard to pull a large pack due to the initial damage we tank with a large pack. What was Steel Cyclone in 1.0? I never got that high.
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11-20-2013, 04:09 PMDlewis1986
just imo we need to become pary tanks and have an move that we can use on each parry that can be used as a major self heal in essence the same thing that shield swipe is but healing
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11-20-2013, 10:42 PMGenesiser
Just in case you didn't see the changes that the dev guy posted in the other thread. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...pecting/page14
Planned Changes to Warrior in Patch 2.1
Producer and director Yoshi-P here.
I understand that all our warriors out there are eager to know what patch 2.1 has in store for them. While we’re still in the testing stages, I’d like to give you a preview of what we have planned. Please keep in mind that warrior is still being tested in all encounters available in 2.1, and the following information is subject to change.
Marauder Changes
Brutal Swing
- Recast time will be reduced from 30 to 20 seconds, increasing the frequency with which players can stun foes.
Overpower
- Enmity generated by this skill has been increased.
Storm's Eye
- TP cost will be reduced from 70 to 60.
Storm's Path
- TP cost will be reduced from 90 to 60.
- This skill will also reduce damage dealt by enemies for a period of time.
Holmgang
- Range will be increased from 3 yalms to 6, to make the skill more effective.
- This skill will now pull enemies toward your character.
- When using this skill, a player's HP cannot be reduced lower than 1.
- The animation for this skill will be revised. (See screenshot above)
Vengeance
- This skill will also reduce damage taken by 30%.
Mercy Stroke
- Recast time will be reduced from 60 to 40 seconds, improving ease of use.
Thrill of Battle
- Effect duration will be extended from 10 to 20 seconds.
Warrior Changes
Defiance
- Enmity generated by this skill will be increased.
- This skill will also increase HP recovery via curing magic by 20%.
Wrath
- The improved healing effect granted by Wrath will be removed. Instead, the improved healing effect will be granted by Defiance.
Inner Beast
- Due to overall balance changes, HP absorbed by damage dealt will be reduced from 300% to 100%
- Damage taken will be reduced by 20% for 6 seconds.
Steel Cyclone
- This skill will generate increased enmity.
Unchained
- Recast time will be reduced from 180 to 120 seconds, improving ease of use.
The main focus of these changes—as the seasoned warriors among you have already observed— was Inner Beast and its HP absorption effect. With these changes, warriors will no longer be dependent on a single skill to recover HP, and have overall improved defense.
To put it simply, we want to ensure the role of warriors as durable tanks. This is why we've also adjusted the effects of Wrath and Defiance. As currently implemented, warriors are forced to lose their healing bonus when using certain skills. However, these changes will allow players to use their warrior skills without sacrificing improved healing, and also maintain the critical hit bonus of Wrath.
Although warrior will no longer recover immense amounts of HP in a single use of Inner Beast, these changes should improve the overall defensive capability of warriors and the ability to heal them using a support class or job.
Patch 2.1 may seem a long way off, but please understand that we have to test these balance changes not only in encounters to be introduced in the upcoming patch, but all existing encounters as well.
(Please refer to a previous post for details on why we cannot break up patch 2.1)
While I regret having to keep you waiting, I am confident these changes, along with the numerous additions we have planned for patch 2.1, will be well worth your patience. -
11-21-2013, 12:09 AMHulk_Smash
I personally like the damage reduction aspect, as well as maintaining +20% healing