Judging from her Fate dialogue, it is actually Lightning that somehow got transported to Eorzea. I haven't played any of XIII, but I was wondering if there is anything that could be deduced from its plot.
Is it possible that they just confirmed that XIV is part of the Dissidia universe and Lightning somehow got mixed up here?
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11-15-2013, 05:25 AMSkyhoundAnyone going to take a crack at why/how Lightning is in Eorzea?
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11-15-2013, 05:29 AMMhaeric
I'm not completely up on FFXIII lore, but I believe Lightning gains the ability to travel between dimensions at some point. (In Lightning Returns I think?)
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11-15-2013, 04:41 PMVisRalisIf you stick around to check the chat log in the Lightning FATEs, she herself says she doesn't know how she ended up in Eorzea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mhaeric
As far she knew, she was sleeping.
And doesn't know where she'll turn up next. -
11-15-2013, 08:13 PMWellGramarye
The "sleeping" sounds like a reference to FF13-2 where she has "disappeared," which prompts her sister to go look for her and the whole time travel adventure to happen.
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11-15-2013, 08:38 PMArkh
Why?
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11-15-2013, 08:43 PMJagerForrester
Final Fantasy franchise is made up of different worlds, and none have really intertwined (except in Kingdom Hearts and Dissidia). That being said, it is possible there is a gate that links worlds together or a supreme being calling forth their chosen ones.
I'm a bit of a RP person, and my character use to be on FFXI. His story how he traveled was through a linked inter-dimensional teleportation spell between the five Ministries of Magic in Windurst and the five Thaumaturge brothers of the Thaumaturge Guild. Don't forget, Shantotto is coming too, so she could be making some similar teleport spell to get here.
Or maybe Lightning is an astral projection passing through a dream she is having, and she isn't real per say. There's much to speculate without knowing the true backstory of her appearance in Eorzea. As far as I recall in the FFXIII world, Lightning hops time between Cocoon and Pulse, not other worlds or dimensions. -
11-15-2013, 08:43 PMToranja
She took the wrong turn in the Historia Crux.
(I'll be surprised if this isn't the answer.) -
11-15-2013, 08:53 PMAcaelusI'll take a crack at it. They want money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyhound
At least it wasn't FFX, I'd quit. -
11-15-2013, 08:57 PMEnkidohWell, the Historia Crux only connected various time periods in FFXIII's world, not XIV. However, I'm liable to believe SE has used her storyline in Dissida Duodecium 012 to explain her appearance in Hydaelyn -Quote:
Originally Posted by Toranja
the last the player saw of her in Dissida 012 was she disappeared along with Tifa, Kain, Laguna, Yuna and Vaan after being overcome by the manikins while trying to seal the rift into the Void - they were not 'reborn' as part of the usual cycle of war in Dissidia so other than 'fading away' (ala, permadeath), whose to say she was cast into the Void, eventually ending up in Hydaelyn due to the Calamity weakening the boundaries between dimensions?
The fact that when she shows up during the event FATE she mentions about being 'trapped' in a 'ceaseless cycle of war' seems to lend weight to a Dissidia link (not to mention her reference to 'sleeping' could be metaphorical for that above scene in the spoiler I posted above). Or else she's just referring to XIII-2 and the endless cycle of war in Valhalla. Either way, I guess we'll find out soon when the rest of the quest chapters begin. -
11-16-2013, 02:53 AMNahara
I was under the impression that her "sleeping" was her crystal stasis between FFXIII-2 and LR:FFXIII.
I'm sure this question will get answered once we get the other three quests. -
11-16-2013, 03:22 AMKeriaku
I'm gonna start with some framing for how I understand the Final Fantasy series. We know that crystals, or more generally 'magic', is an important basis for any single reality. To me, every Final Fantasy corresponds to a reality amidst the Void that has coalesced into a unique world, each with a unique form of how magic manifests and how reality holds together.
FF1-5 are generally simple, with physically manifest crystals being the lynch pins that hold reality together. Retrospectively, it could be said that Cosmos/Chaos are the gods that conceptually connect with the balance between these 'old' crystals and the Void. FF6 and 8 are more explicitly 'god created' worlds, though the gods are dormant (Goddess Statues, Hyde) and leave reality to be manipulated by its denizens (espers, sorceresses). FF7, 10 and 14 seem to have more general freeform basis to reality that work as a cohesive flow (Lifestream, Pyreflies, Aether).
Fabula Nova Crystallis (Tale of the New Crystal) is an evolution of past realities; the 'new' crystals. These realities have a more complex picture. There are gods manifesting across multiple realities, and each reality is an complex system relating dimensions, magic and denizens (Seen/Unseen world, Chaos/Spirit, and Fal'Cie/L'Cie). In these worlds, every person has 'chaos' inside them, which gives them the potential to use magic. This potential is actualized when a person becomes a L'Cie and I take the Crystariums to be each person's 'personal crystal'. It's stated that given enough chaos inside a person, anyone has the potential to 'see beyond reality', such as how the Farseers can view the timeline. I feel like a similar power is at work with Noctis and Stella in XV. Anyways, on to Lightning in Eorzea.....
Spoilers for XIII/XIII-2...
I believe that Lightning gains access to Eorzea due to her time being crystallized. This is what she is referring to when she says she was 'sleeping'. It hasn't yet been clearly detailed what happens when people are crystallized, only the vague 'given eternal life', but I think the implications are pretty important if crystals form the basis of each reality.
As shown in a couple places, being crystallized seems to allows the consciousness of the person to go beyond their body, such as when Vanille and Fang are 'watching' and thinking about the other characters in Episode i after the ending of XIII. It also seems that a crystallized person can gain access to places 'beyond reality', atleast for a limited time, as when Fang and Vanille show up in the Void Beyond to save Serah from her dream in XIII-2.
I believe Lightning in particular is a special case, since not only is she crystallized, but she is crystallized in Valhalla, which is the closest known space to the 'Unseen World' and the Void. Whereas people crystallized in the regular world of Pulse may gain metaphysical access to that specifical reality (Pulse, The Void Beyond), perhaps being crystallized somewhere closer to the Void itself allows the person (Lightning) metaphysical access to other realities. Just as Etro called Lightning to Vahalla in the first place, perhaps Hydaelyn called Lightning to Eorzea from her eternal crystal sleep.
This also accounts for Lightning's comment on her endless battle. Just prior to being crystallized, Lightning had been fighting Caius in Valhalla for an indefinite, endless amount of time. After what feels like both a moment and an eternity, Lightning would appear in Eorzea and feel as if she never really stopped fighting.
It seems pretty clear to me that Lightning's appearance in Eorzea precedes her time in Lightning Returns. I wonder what she'll learn in her time here... -
11-16-2013, 07:33 AMEnkidoh
That doesn't make sense why she's wearing her original FFXIII Guardian Corps uniform though in her FFXIV appearance, instead of the fancy suit of Valkyrie armour Etro gave her in XIII-2 (which she was wearing when she crystallized herself at the end of XIII-2). In any event it would explain how she can appear and then quickly vanish into a mass of feathers once the FATE is over.
But I still think chronologically her XIV appearance has a connection to Dissidia (although knowing my luck with things like this, I'm probably wrong. :P). -
11-16-2013, 08:14 AMRannie
I honestly couldn't see her when I did the fates... too many people... but i could offer one small idea on why she's wearing her clothes... she could still be asleep and somehow her spirit is being called here and it's why she's in the old clothes...or we're really in the matrix one of the two.
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11-16-2013, 08:27 AMNintenPyjak64
I did hear at one point Eorzea would be a part of LR:XIII. Perhaps That should shed light on a few things (also the next 3 quests could as well)
This could also be the typical JRPG "I hit my head on something traveling somewhere and have gotten amnesia but only remember my own name" -
11-18-2013, 12:33 AMadventthraggQuote:
Originally Posted by Keriaku
This is kinda what I was thinking, coming to the same conclusion. Hopefully though, other Final Fantasy's will make an appearance as well. -
11-18-2013, 11:38 PMVisRalis
Well Chapter 3's Lightning explains why.
Looks like she is still 'Sleeping' as in her Crystal Stasis.
She states that somebody (*cough* explained in Lightning Returns) must be waking her up as a test to see how much fight she's got left in her.
Lightning: "I'm beginning to understand the reason I was sent to this place: I'm being tested."
Lightning: "Someone woke me up to see how much fight I had left..."
Right right... -
11-18-2013, 11:49 PMPinworms
Several of the FF games share their universe - it's not just disidea. When it comes to teleporting though sometimes you end up in alt Demesions or universes so no it does not confirm 13 is in 14s universe.
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11-19-2013, 02:08 AMInquisitor
A wizard did it.
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11-21-2013, 08:04 PMTalamasca
I assumed it was Etro's creator/father Bhunivelze, whom Lightning is working for in LR, maybe he was testing her to see if she would be ready to do the work he wants her to.
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11-21-2013, 10:20 PMAnonymooseThat's where I took the explanation, as well. Of course, that fails to address the major question a lot of us have: If the world of Fabula Nova Crystalis is, as it seems to be, restricted to the Mortal World and the Unseen World, with the Void Beyond being a mere shadow of the latter... through what mechanism did Bhunivelze influence Eorzea? For that matter, through what mechanism did Bhunivelze even know of Eorzea? Wasn't his mother the author of creation and thus the isolated universe of that canon?Quote:
Originally Posted by Talamasca
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11-22-2013, 02:40 AMToranja
Hmm... As anyone noticed what Lightning says if the FATE fails?
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11-22-2013, 02:55 AMAnonymoose...and now my transcripts feel incomplete. I wonder if we can go from FATE to FATE begging people to just let them fail so we'll know...Quote:
Originally Posted by Toranja
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11-22-2013, 03:33 AMOrophinPossibly something you could ask Premium Virtue to dig around and find for you too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anonymoose
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11-22-2013, 05:00 PMaxemtitanium
It shouldn't be too difficult to see the failure version in early December after everyone has done it but before the rush of procrastinators. I've seen the lv 25 ones fail already at certain times of day.
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11-22-2013, 06:13 PMAnonymoosePreliminary ones. I need to do the wiki in-linking and solicit good screenshots to round out the article, and I'll probably do a lot of aesthetic changes over time. Raw transcripts are here for now, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by axemtitanium
Much like how we can say, "Hey, that's aether for you." for a lot of mysterious mechanisms in Eorzea, I think we might be chalking a lot of this Lightning business with Bhunivelze up to "Hey, that's chaos for you." It's not necessarily a closed lore hole, but at least the burden of proof seems to be off Eorzea's shoulders.