I don't see why this isn't in the Duty Finder, my insane work schedule compels me to play at infrequent times during the days of the week. Which means I have to pug it. typical convo with someone looking to pick me up.
Random: LF1M Tank for Coil T-whatever BE EXPERIENCED
Me: Hey, I havent been in coil before but I've watched a million videos blah blah blah.
Random will give me 1 of three responses
"Sorry xp only"
"Fuck you"
no response
I mean I could only assume they don't DF coil because they don't want people to complete content too quickly, or they want people to socialize between other humans or some shit. But I pay for this game as well, and I am online damn near everyday(Just at random times.)
My main has been 50 since early October and I've only cleared turn 1.
Guess I should accept that casual MMO's dont exist.
Why can't Coil be in Duty Finder?
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11-14-2013, 01:08 PMNarcissusWhy can't Coil be in Duty Finder?
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11-14-2013, 01:11 PMSephirah
If Coil was accessible in Duty Finder, the success rate would be SO LOW, if you think DF groups for Titan were bad, you have no clue what is in store with coils.
Best advice I can give you is find a static linkshell for a group that will raid 1-2 nights a week to get your experience. -
11-14-2013, 01:13 PMVantwan
Just lie and say you are experienced and fake it til you make it.
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11-14-2013, 01:17 PMEspon
The DF would probably just group you with 2 warriors and no bards then wish you luck against ADS.
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11-14-2013, 01:18 PMwhilkeThe first few turns of coil are not that hard. If DF groups can clear Titan, and there are some that do, even more DF groups would clear T1-T3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephirah
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11-14-2013, 01:19 PMSephirahYea I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying the success rate would be pretty low. My group is on Turn 5 currently and it still took us more time than a DF group would alot for us to get turns 1-4 down consistently.Quote:
Originally Posted by whilke
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11-14-2013, 01:20 PMAmyas
Even if it would be nearly impossible, like Titan, df could be used as a way to practice for it, get used to the layout, skills etc.
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11-14-2013, 01:27 PMArcaloid
On JP server I can see a lot of shout out first timer coil party, not really less than the experienced groups. Isn't there any on your server?
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11-14-2013, 01:31 PMFelis
If you join Coil with DF and want to do turn2, but the leader you get is at turn4, then you are also locked to turn4 until next week.
This is one reason why Coil is not in DF -
11-14-2013, 01:38 PMScratchs
Well I really hope they add it to DF. Don't really feel like kissing the ass of some elitist pig just to let me join.
I was able to beat T1 in a pug easy enough, I don't see why that can't be in DF. Not sure about the later turns. -
11-14-2013, 01:42 PMRi_ri
Yoshi-P for some reason is copying the worst parts of WoW, those that even WoW doesn't have anymore. One of them being "unpuggable raids". Then he goes on talking about "non stressful gameplay". Figures.
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11-14-2013, 02:21 PMNinix
Duty Finder Caduceus would probably have a higher success rate than DF Titan, to be honest. It's not a very difficult fight to execute and really just requires a few people to know what they're doing with the adds, while tanks tank and healers heal. And one or two people with a crappy connection (or who are just incapable of dodging stuff) won't bring the group down quite as much.
Turn 2 would be a lot more sketchy though, simply because it requires more coordination. And turn 4? Forget it. -
11-14-2013, 02:23 PMmindful
Until they get more options on the duty finder. For PuG. I do not see them putting coil in it for some time. Since they need to have the option for each turn and as it is there not enough tanks, So they would still take hrs to get into a pug group since most of the the players that play as a tank will be in a static anyways. If they add 3 more tank jobs or some other way so your party can get away with out a tank in a random party it would work. You would still be better off just shouting,looking on game forums or looking for a shout. IMO Now they should just for testing purposes have turn 1 as a Duty finder. Game still early in mmo terms. That way the players get a taste of it. For those that work or got odd schedules. It get those people acclimated to the game better.
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11-14-2013, 02:34 PMDelorean
so find one or two days of the week that you can dedicate at least 2 hours of game time to and start trying to join FCs with those times or make your own group
2-3 day raid groups that raid 3 hours are pretty common -
11-14-2013, 03:03 PMNarcissusMust've not read my post, typical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delorean
Anyways if I did have a set time I could do coil it would be between 1-4am PST. And lets not joking around fucking no one statics coil at that time. Ive spent like 60$ jumping from server to server to see if anyone does, with no success. -
11-14-2013, 03:11 PMZell1226This. "I haven't done it this way before, just tell me what to do."Quote:
Originally Posted by Vantwan
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11-14-2013, 03:14 PMJynxUrge to make friends in a MMO rising...Quote:
Originally Posted by Scratchs
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11-14-2013, 10:51 PMNabiriI totally agree with this.. They want experienced people? What better way to practice than to try over and over and learn as you go?Quote:
Originally Posted by Amyas
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11-14-2013, 11:04 PMAerosteinThis exactly. Anyone can watch vids all day, but it's not the same as real experience. Sure you could lie about being 'experienced', but if you're not a quick learner, enjoy being replaced and possibly blacklisted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amyas
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11-14-2013, 11:54 PMSarcasmMisser
Turn 2 is not difficult but lord the idea of getting a pug to coordinate tank switching, stun rotations and a rot rotation all at the same time. Why would you subject yourself to that, if you don't have much time due to a busy life wasting your time with that is the last thing you want to do.
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11-15-2013, 12:06 AMMcshiggs
Maybe it will work it's way into duty finder, right now each turn is it's own instance, as time goes on, they could put it in a turn at a time. Now the first parts are able to be done without too much trouble in a pick up group, but people have better gear now than they did even just a month ago, when tossing 8 random people and jobs in there wouldn't have ended well. I would be fine as more of it opens up, they bring the lockout to maybe every 3 days, and put the older turns in the duty finder, but the hardest of the new content I think should be left out for a bit. This would work for their idea of catering to both hardcore and casual players, if you want the best as soon as it comes out, get a group, and grind deaths til you figure it out, if you want to get it at your own pace, wait for the hardcore folks to grind it out, then do it in duty finder later. Everyone still has access to the gear, just the people that put in the time got it first.
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11-15-2013, 12:07 AMdiulalasing
If you are the main tank, coil 1 don't need that much experience, and coil 2 is a bit harder, but won't be too bad
coil 4, it seems there are a few strategy people use, so you just pretend you "want to make sure" that the strategy is the same as what they plan -
11-15-2013, 12:18 AMRaideDuku
I don't really see why they don't have it in duty finder. Groups don't want people that don't have experience, but people can't get experience because they can't get in a group. If people want to go ahead and give Coil a shot through Duty Finder, and end up failing 90% like trying to get through a wall by using their head to knock a hole through it, then let them. They pay the same $15 a month as coil running FC's do.
However, in return, anyone that does pug coil should lose the ability to whine about how hard it is. -
11-15-2013, 12:21 AMUlathskullsplitter
Im in a similar situation as the OP. Work 12 hour swing shift and the days change every week. Static just isnt possible. A few weeks ago getting a pug was easy. The shouts were like "new/inexperienced welcome for coil turn 1". Now just a few weeks later and it has become " must be experienced clearing t1-4". I was able to clear turn 1 and get to last boss of t2 with an inexperienced pug with no voice chat.
Dont see why they cant add it to df and just have to choose which turn you want to start on so you dont get grouped with someone on turn 4 when you wanted t1. As it is right now the majority of this games playerbase is locked out of continuing the games main story in coil. Of course thats exactly how the elitist want it. Lock out as many casuals as possible so they can feel superior. -
11-15-2013, 12:30 AMSwishytailQuote:
Originally Posted by Espon
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Originally Posted by Felis
On top of these, you have the inevitable AFKer. Also getting 4 melee as your DPS. Getting the guy in level 38 gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser
There would be so much complaining they would nerf Coil, which would make a lot of people upset.
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11-15-2013, 12:42 AMSarcasmMisser
I'd hope they'd have gear checks in coil at that point to take out the gear issues but seriously, the DF would add a bigger barrier to doing coil than whatever issues you have in joining pugs or statics. It is not DF-able content in both a literal and practical sense.
I really don't care what casuals do or whatever binary we are sorting players into I'm giving serious advice. There will be threads begging for a nerf of ADS mechanics very fast. -
11-15-2013, 01:20 AMAanmer
Really there is no good reason to keep coil off of the duty finder. However, it would be largely useless without the ilvl system they're adding in 2.1. Perhaps in 2.1 coil will be available in the duty finder but I doubt it.
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11-15-2013, 02:12 AMAstarica
Assuming the DF doesn't bypass the requirement to get into Coil normally, whoever can queue for Coil in a DF would likely have their relic already. That's likely better than doing Titan with basically zero guaranteed on gear.
I don't get why people try to speculate if something might be 'too hard'. Most of this stuff isn't actually that hard, and if Coil turns out to be impossible in DF, it is not your problem anyway. Without a DF, there will be significantly people even attempting the content, and it's even more impossible to beat anything when you can't even attempt the content to start with. At worst it'd be something like Cape Westwind that nobody goes to, but it doesn't take away from anything. If Cape Westwind cannot be done in Duty Finder, it certainly doesn't add anything to the game. Just because almost no one does Cape Westwind more than once in DF doesn't mean its inclusion in DF is a bad idea. -
11-15-2013, 02:19 AMRyios
Quote "Guess I should accept that casual mmo's don't exist"....
It's not really fair to suggest that this should be a casual mmo. We should be working toward suggesting a game that both types of players are comfortable with.
Also SE Can't make it a 100% casual mmo without pissing off all the hardcores (people that play religiously at set times, everyday etc etc). I personally like coil not being in the DF. And they could not realistically put coil in the DF without causing a TON of issues.
Issue #1: Timers....
Imagine progressing through 2 turns with the same group for 90 minutes and running through turn 4 and as soon as your done explaining turn 4, bam out of time. Then you reque and wait in the que for 22 hours because nobody in the DF is saved to turn 4.
Issue #2: Loot
The Greed/Need system is not perfected and certain classes can need things they don't use and the gear being as awesome as it is, they need to fix that first.
Issue #3: Leavers/Afkers/Runs In Progress
Just think about that for a minute, no thanks.
Issue #4: Gear Level Requirements
Without a check for this in place, don't event bother.