Turn 2 and Eye for an Eye

Out of curiosity, why doesn't Eye for an Eye work on turn 2 of coil?

It does work. Just fine might I add.

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Originally Posted by Zer0mr

It does work. Just fine might I add.

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i've never seen any of the nodes or ads with the eye for an eye debuff

i'm not sure if they even use physical attacks and that maybe eye for an eye is only triggered by physical attacks

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Originally Posted by hamsteak

i've never seen any of the nodes or ads with the eye for an eye debuff

i'm not sure if they even use physical attacks and that maybe eye for an eye is only triggered by physical attacks

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This exactly. Why I asked. I have used it several times and not once has it triggered on the nodes or the ADS.

They could be immune to the debuff. I know dropping Shadow Flare doesn't apply it's slow effect to a lot of enemies in Coil. Same goes for Blind on Caduceus.

I gave up trying to use it in T2 (don't think I ever seen it proc), just use it for T4 dreadnaughts and twin.

I haven't seen it either. It could either be because the ADS and nodes hit slowly, but I think the reason could be that it's hits aren't counted as physical and/or it is counted as an ability and Eye for an Eye only proc from physical dps.

It's probably to do with how ADS and the nodes attack, you can't block or parry their attacks either. I'd say all their attacks are magical and Eye for an Eye just doesn't work on those.

I thought it works against magical attacks. The description says there is a % chance it will apply to an enemy whenever the magical barrier is struck. I'm thinking turn two ADS are immune to debuffs?

The nodes don't attack quickly, and it seems like their attacks don't qualify as hits to trigger the proc. This could be just RNG randomness, but I can also personally report never seeing the effect trigger on the boss, even though we keep a rotation of it up in all our groups just in case.

Would this be a bug tech since the description for eye for an eye doesn't designate attach types just whatever attacks the barrier has a chance to have the damage reduced. Other damage reduction buffs like super virus work so why not this debuff.

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Originally Posted by Zaresin

Would this be a bug tech since the description for eye for an eye doesn't designate attach types just whatever attacks the barrier has a chance to have the damage reduced. Other damage reduction buffs like super virus work so why not this debuff.

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Barrier Effect: 20% chance that when barrier is struck, the striker will deal 10% less damage

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That implies physical damage.

As for why super virus works? That is because Virus is an enemy applied debuff. Also it is not a % damage reduction either. It reduces the target's STR, DEX, MND, and INT by 15%, effectively debilitating any and all of its offensive stats.

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Originally Posted by Delvish

That implies physical damage.

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How does it imply physical? By the word "struck"?

I'm also curious as to why it doesn't work against magical as it doesn't denote a specific type of damage. It just says the barrier needs to be damaged "struck" which you can be "struck" with magical damage and physical damage. So not sure why that is. Just seems odd spec since it has diminishing returns. Just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Zaresin

How does it imply physical? By the word "struck"?

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I think it probably is intended to be physical damage, but the tooltip is just unclear.

Some nodes don't physically attack your tank, which is why Eye and Virus don't work.

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Originally Posted by Syncness

Some nodes don't physically attack your tank, which is why Eye and Virus don't work.

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Virus works if done by a scholar or summoner as it lowers str, dex, mind, int stats by 15% unless it counts as unaspected damage which is a possibility, but would still fall under one of the four stats unless there is another stat that we don't know about that the nodes are using.