dungeon and ilevel

i think i will make myself a couple of enemy, but i feel that the ilevel too high destroy the dungeon 50.
a lot of player, because of a huge difference in ilevel with the dungeon, loose the edge and play worst than new player that come there for the first time.

we see too come out speedrun from the V1 (Wanderer Palace with blm where you gather everything and blast it), i'm kinda sure a lot of player from the V1 was hating this and was why the timer reward was take out.

i wonder if put an ilevel sync on some dungeon mustn't be done for keep the challenge from this dungeon.

i means coming in Wanderer palace with a toon equiped full ilevel 70-90 it's like go there with a toon level 70+.

people are always complaining about the challenge, but maybe put a ilevel sync on the dungeon 50 is a good solution.

Thats a horrible idea. I'm sure the vast majority don't want capping myth to become "slower".

with the 2.1 we will have more way to caps the myth, what i say, it's to keep the challenge of this dungeon.
going to WP with an ilevel 70-90 is like going with a level 70+, it's not challenging nor hard... it's ridiculous.

I don't think people care about the challenge or difficulty. When its their 500+ time running the dungeon, they just want to finish it and get what the went in for. When they do add more ways to cap Myth I see the iLVL cap as wasted resource as players in iLVL70+ gear will probably move on to that new content and WP and AK will be left mostly for the people who are just getting into it, and some (I know I would) welcome an iLVL70+ player to speed things up.

I would support ilvl sync actually. At least it will remove the absurdal shouts "lfg/lfm relic + 1 ak/wp sr". Levelled an alt class? Need gear for it? "Sorry, u cant enter ak/wp run without relic and full dl". Having to gear up ALT job with ur MAIN job is another absurd. Like "you cannot play ur alt job untill u have full gear, but then there is no point in playing it anymore".
However as the compensation, the philo/myth reward should be based on time spent in the dungeon. With ilvl sync and tome reward proportional to time spent in instance, all speedruns will be crushed.

you seems to forget that later we will have more dungeon available at the 50, more choice. we know for sure that thet 2.1 will give use 3 more dungeon (pharos sirius and 2 hard mode) with more content coming, it's maybe a good idea to keep the challenge there... if entering a dungeon with people overstuff that crush the difficulty because of the difference from the ilevel, we must maybe think at a way to keep the difficulty into this dungeon.

While I personally support this idea, I think the majority of players won't. Even when there are more ways/dungeons to get myth in 2.1, I'm sure ppl will still trying to find the most efficient one and run that 1000+ times.

But I just thought about another idea, how about make tomes drop proportion to each player's average iLevel? So ppl can choose to speed run dungeons with good equipments but get less tomes per run, or do normal run with suitable equips and get more tomes.

Of course then there need to be a most optimised iLevel, e.g. iLevel 55 for WP, so ppl won't try to go there with some lv1 equips and get 1000 tomes per run.

i know that most people will not be happy or want this... like the level sync. sadly if they don't do that, more we will get acces to higher ilevel item, less content will be challenging.
the equipement must'nt trivialize the content, but give acces at more content and challenge.
and i know they can do it, they already do it with the level sync, by caping the item to an ilevel. do you want later to see hard challenge become ridiculous like we had with titan? i means people was able to do it at 4 because they had more equipement than needed for do it.

if we let the ilevel crush the challenge, pointless to put the level sync. either you do it totally or you don't it at all, that the point.

having higher ilvl means you can push for more challenging playstyles. I certainly find clearing dungeons within 10mins is challenging, it requires much more risk taking and team coordination, everyone must be on top of their game or its a wipe.

This is really stupid, in fact - this goes against the entire point of an RPG and the point of bettering yourself.
You get better gear so you make things easier, less challenging, faster, so on.
Additionally, when the new content does come out, people with high iLevel will likely move onto that content. Content is always going to get easier when you get better gear, that's the point of progression.

What motivation would anyone have to get gear and challenge harder content to get the gear and items? I get that some people feel they should be carried but forcing everyone down to your level just so they will play with you is dumb. This is just another "I'm a DPS and i don't like how long it takes for me to get a party" thread. If you want to get in with the Relic +1 parties then get the gear. Those parties are not interested in carrying dead weight or having care bears who can't handle moving quickly and doing huge pulls. They get the privilege of faster runs because they got themselves better gear.


In short this idea is pointless and kills the fun of an MMO for a whole lot of players to satisfy a few whiners who can't be bothered to work.

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Originally Posted by EmSix

This is really stupid, in fact - this goes against the entire point of an RPG and the point of bettering yourself.
You get better gear so you make things easier, less challenging, faster, so on.
Additionally, when the new content does come out, people with high iLevel will likely move onto that content. Content is always going to get easier when you get better gear, that's the point of progression.

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^This...we already have a level sync feature for lower lvl dungeons, which makes sense and is a good thing. Gear sync in Lvl 50 content in any form is just dumb and destroys the whole purpose of getting better gear in the first place. Why would you wanna run WP/AK/CM/Prae dozens of times every week if NONE of the gear you get through it would make a difference in there? Why go in there in the first place then?

Defeats the purpose of gearing up to feel powerful. So spending months of gearing up actually makes you the same as before. That doesnt sound cool for end game imo when there is a lack of end game dungeons.

That whole concept is just stupid........... That's why people spend hours grinding, to make things easy, to make you feel like you have achieved something! It's not fun grinding hours and hours of the same dungeon, but we do it to be stronger in the end. There would be no point otherwise! This kind of reminds me off ff8 where the mobs leveled up in sync with your own players......... Although I loved that game. Didn't like that idea!

The only reason to get Darklight and above is so we can challenge Binding Coils, not so we can faceroll easy content. Not to mention Relic+1 DDs can make tanking very depressing for a fresh 50 tank.

I support having a iLv sync. Maybe sync WP/AK at iLv70, sync HM Primals at iLv90, sync BC at iLv 110 or something like that.

When I see people geared to run Ak or wp, it means they have taken the time to improve themselves and not having to be carried. I hate to see people starting Ak and only have level 50 gear.

Ill probably quit this game if they start item syncing my gear, I dont spend weeks farming ilvl 90 shit for nothing.

I don't support this idea at all.
That way our gear would only have meaning inside Coil and how often are we doing Coil?
Whats the point in gearing if it's only useful once a week for clearing coil?
And let's be honest, even with iLvl 55 wanderers palace is not a challenge, it simply takes longer thats about it...
It's more challenging to speed run it and try new more risky stuff in order to clear it faster, speed runs is where the real challenge is at.

Accidentally went in WP without a tank last night , but we still managed to cleared it with SMN, CNJ, BRD and BLM.

Want challenges? Just dont party up with tank or healer. lol

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Originally Posted by GuardianX

When I see people geared to run Ak or wp, it means they have taken the time to improve themselves and not having to be carried. I hate to see people starting Ak and only have level 50 gear.

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AK is easily doable in AF and GC wep. It may not be the fastest but its not hard. Demon wall takes just a little longer and Anantaboga is lolwut? Easy after wall. It only gets faster from there. Back to the point of the thread ilvl sync is bad for a number of reasons, one of which is the fact we have to grind sooooooo much

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

i think i will make myself a couple of enemy, but i feel that the ilevel too high destroy the dungeon 50.
a lot of player, because of a huge difference in ilevel with the dungeon, loose the edge and play worst than new player that come there for the first time.

we see too come out speedrun from the V1 (Wanderer Palace with blm where you gather everything and blast it), i'm kinda sure a lot of player from the V1 was hating this and was why the timer reward was take out.

i wonder if put an ilevel sync on some dungeon mustn't be done for keep the challenge from this dungeon.

i means coming in Wanderer palace with a toon equiped full ilevel 70-90 it's like go there with a toon level 70+.

people are always complaining about the challenge, but maybe put a ilevel sync on the dungeon 50 is a good solution.

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I think this would be a good idea, but ONLY for the doody finder groups, pre-made FULL groups shouldn't be affected. If any member is found with doody finder, gear sync the lot of um.

Personally, I hate gear requirements for content in any game. But in games that revolve around gear instead of skill, I can see the need for it.