Alright so this post is going to be a slight rant, but I really want to hear opinions about this. Why does everyone make the Primal fights out to be so hard? Why do I see so many people complaining about the primal fights on these forums? The primal fights are some of my favorite content on the game right now and are tuned very well. I understand complaints about Titan lag, if you have high ping then yes Titan is a bit unfair. However the vast majority of people do not have insanely high ping and many just use ping as an excuse to complain about their own sub-par reaction times and inability to multitask.
On the subject of Titan I avoided fighting him for a very long time due to how everyone made him out to be some sort of Duty Finder nightmare that you should never do unless you have a free company group. Since I manned up and decided to finally fight him I have beaten him multiple times in Duty Finder with very few issues. Yes some groups cannot beat Titan, but these groups are extremely easy to spot if you know the signs. You should give these groups a 2-3 attempt maximum and leave. Be the bigger person and take the 15 minute penalty and be polite about it. You are doing everyone in the group a favor.
I also want to give a quick shout out to Garuda since I see plenty of complaints about her as well. Garuda is an extremely forgiving fight with a mediocre gear check. If you have AK gear and a basic understanding of how to play your class then you should have no issues with Garuda. Here are my current Garuda stats for anyone who might have an interest in this sort of thing.
SCH > BLM > BRD > SCH > DRG > SCH > BRD > PLD > MNK > WAR > SMN > SCH > SCH > SCH > PLD > WHM > WHM > WHM > SCH > SCH > SCH > SMN > BLM > BRD > WHM > WHM > BRD + Feather > BRD > SMN > DRG > SMN > WHM + Feather > WHM > SCH > WHM > WAR > SCH > WAR > SMN
That is 39 kills total and I have failed Garuda a total of 10 times. I strictly use Duty Finder for Garuda so I get an average 80% kill rate on her using Duty Finder.
So I know this is the part everyone is going to hate. If you read this far then I appreciate it though! If you are finding yourself getting worse results then I am on these Primal fights then you probably need to sit back and evaluate if you are holding the group back. Despite popular belief all it takes is that one special snowflake to turn a kill in to a giant headache. You might very well be that Snowflake.
EDIT: I have done the Primal fights on PLD/MNK/BLM/WHM, I understand that what role you choose can affect Primal difficulty and I enjoy playing all 4 roles to keep things fresh and get new weapons.
Primal fights and you!
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11-08-2013, 06:48 AMEzriNuruPrimal fights and you!
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11-08-2013, 07:15 AMNullie
The fights for me are easy. The fights for you are easy. The fights for someone else might not be. Is it really that hard to believe and why do you have a problem with them if they do? Sorry not everyone is as good as you are.
I honestly don't see many people complain at all about the primals. Mostly Titan, but can't be because of lag or server delay. Nope, its cause people are dumb and slow right?
That is just ridiculous. I'm sorry. I do believe there are people who don't try hard enough and just want to be carried, but there are other people who do legitimately have problems. You shouldn't group them all together. -
11-08-2013, 07:25 AMRydiah
I'm up to Titan on my Relic quest and I'll admit...I'm kind of avoiding it. Yea, I'm a little nervous I'm going to mess it up.
I think Garuda is really easy though...And you're right about how one person can mess it up. The one time I didn't beat Garuda...we would have made it if the other healer had thrown out a Medica 2 just once...even a Medica would have sufficed :P -
11-08-2013, 07:38 AMHiro_Protagonist
No offense to OP, but tanking the primal fights is a bit of a different story than healing or being DD. My main is WHM but I just recently leveled my PLD to 50. I went and started tanking primals and it was stupidly easy. I'm not saying you don't need skill, but the only time I've seen a tank go down in a primal fight is when my other healer or myself has screwed up.
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11-08-2013, 07:56 AMashikenshin
Yeah tanking and doing anything else basically are a world of difference. Tanking titan is the easiest thing, just stand around and pop cooldowns. Healing garuda and titan well...
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11-08-2013, 08:20 AMSuP3R_Ch1cKeN
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11-08-2013, 08:24 AMBlackhearthttp://images.t-nation.com/forum_ima..._was_like5.gifQuote:
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11-08-2013, 08:31 AMAnnaMollyhttp://i.imgur.com/69QqQBS.jpgQuote:
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11-08-2013, 08:52 AMninthfantasy
Primal fights are easy once you know how to do them. Especially Titan. It's hard because it requires the whole group to know what they're doing as well. Once you get it down, you have to rely on 7 others also getting it down and knowing what to do.
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11-08-2013, 10:41 AMEzriNuruI have PLD/MNK/BLM/WHM at level 50 and have done the Primal fights on them all due to wanting the weapons for multiple classes. I am currently 6/9 on the Garuda weapons for example. Sad to see that people rather insult me for having a tank class leveled then to contribute meaningful discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuP3R_Ch1cKeN
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11-08-2013, 10:55 AMjoshdavis271ifrit, you are either stunning or tanking which means stay in one spot unless you need to dodge a bit, Garuda both tanks have something to do one gets to tank red line and other garuda, and you get to make her follow you during phase 2Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiro_Protagonist
Now titan is stupidly easy to tank just pray your whm doesn't spam medica 2 early in the fight, that steals hate no matter your rotation, phase 5 is the only difficult part but even then you should have little trouble. -
11-08-2013, 10:57 AMRyansThere's nothing to discuss. There are some people having a hard time with primals. So what? There are also people having a hard time with T2 and T4. It's a game with varying levels of difficulty and players with varying levels of skill, that's just how it works.Quote:
Originally Posted by EzriNuru
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11-08-2013, 11:08 AMEzriNuruPlenty of things to discuss, one of the main things I see people complain about is how unreliable Duty Finder is for Primals! I tried to write about my own experiences to show that using the Duty Finder can be reliable. I had people who told me I would never beat Titan unless I shouted for a group or got help from my Free Company. I was able to get my first Titan kill using the Duty Finder within the first hour I used it. I like to believe information on these forums is reliable despite how negative it can be at times. More and more it seems like a majority of what negative people are saying is actually just 100% negative with almost no truth behind it.Quote:
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11-08-2013, 11:22 AMUser201406060804
The real discussion would be on how to get these bad players to play better. Ask a bad player why he is bad and see what response you get. It will be something along the lines of "stfu nerd, get a real life". Maybe 1% of the time you will get "what am i doing wrong and how can i solve it?".
No one wants to accept they are bad, absolutely no one. And what's sad is, the majority of the bad players think it is absolutely okay for them to be bad. Sure, if this was a single player game. You taking 20 hours to beat a game that can be done in 5 is absolutely fine. But when you are wasting an hour of 7 other people's time (7 hours total) that is not fine.
Try to convince them otherwise though... and you are considered the biggest a-hole elitist scum on the face of this game. -
11-09-2013, 03:25 AMSuP3R_Ch1cKeNOh Good Job!! You had PLD WHM and BLM lvled from 1.0. I know that was hard to do (Legacy myself).. You lvled MNK doing the main story quest here. Probably don't have more than AF gear and a few pieces of DarkLight. You probably barely play WHM or BLM anymore and you main PLD. You probably get most your wins as PLD because you don't have to do anything other than stand in one spot. I'm sorry that you feel you need to post on the forums about the difficulty of Garuda and Titan with the Duty Finder. News Flash!! People using the Duty Finder are most likely not going to be the best geared or most skilled because the Duty Finder is unbiased. You have nothing meaningful to say. Go back and have fun sitting in your Elite chair. Only come back when you can contribute to helping people rather than bashing people.Quote:
Originally Posted by EzriNuru