I enjoy crafting-- most are in their 30s Alch at 50. I'm using steady hand II and I've decided to take weaving (37) to 50 next.
Linen cloth, I am failing SO freaking often. I'm in mostly HQ gear all my level and 5, 6, 7 times in a row I fail with SH2 and Hasty Touch. What the hell is going on here? I mean the chances of failing that many times in a row with 20% chance to fail should be incredibly small. I am so freaking frustrated by how often these fail trains happen and I don't understand what's causing them.
What the heck is wrong?!
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11-07-2013, 10:47 PMReiryuuWhat the heck is wrong?!
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11-07-2013, 11:28 PMThorauku
20% is still 20%.
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11-07-2013, 11:39 PMfixitman
It does seem as though the RNG tends towards lower probabilities when the crafted item's level is over the crafter's level. It also seems to become better when the crafter's level is higher than the crafted item's level. Since HT's base probability is only 50%, it stands to reason that it will fail more with higher level synths. All in all, I find the probabilities to be on the money based on difficulty :)
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11-08-2013, 12:08 AMReiryuuI don't have any trouble failing once or even 2-3 times in a row. It's the 5-7 times that frustrate me and they happen quite frequently on a recipe that is 4 levels below me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorauku
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11-08-2013, 01:21 AMLysandrusLarge streaks like that are definitely frustrating, but they are statistically going to happen. Most people tend to remember bad experiences easier and with more clarity than good, so while you notice and remember those streaks of 5-7 failures, you overlook the streaks where SH2+HT works 10+ times in a row, even though it statistically should have failed twice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reiryuu
After hitting 50 on three crafts, having the other five at 40+ and having all three gathering professions at 43+ (non-Legacy, so all in the current system), I'm well acquainted with the RNG and have personally not noticed anything "off" with it. If you suspect something, I recommend recording your results for a while, good and bad, and seeing how things look with a large sample. -
11-08-2013, 02:07 AMKseniaI noticed this to be the case as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by fixitman
For cloth and Weaver you might want to go with Waste Not and Standard touch.
Even now at 50 I will make Linen using 1:1 HQ/ NQ mostly because the market for flax is gone and I find I am counting shards.
1HQ Flax
1NQ Flax
If you can clear the progress bar in one action,
Inner Quiet
Steady Hand II
Great Strides
Best touch you have
Great Strides
Touch
Steady Hand
Great Strides
Touch
If you need 2 Actions to clear the progress
Use on
Inner Quiet
Steady Hand
Waste Not
Touch x 4
Complete the synth
This method, either one will get you up in the 80% Quality and while you will get NQ it gets you solid exper.
I've used the Hasty methods and they work but I don't find they are any more productive in the long run.
Add On: Pound through to 38. It's when you switch out your wardrobe to full Linen gear. -
11-08-2013, 06:19 AMRoth_TrailfinderMy own rotation for 40 durability recipes, assuming one Synth to finish :Quote:
Originally Posted by Ksenia
Inner Quiet
(Tricks if available)
Steady Hand (2)
Waste Not
4 Hasty Touch
(Tricks if available)
Hasty Touch
(Tricks if available)
Manipulation
(Tricks if available)
Steady Hand
Waste Not
4 Hasty Touch
Best Touch possible based on CP
Synth
My method takes a bit of CP (283 if I remember correctly) and while that amount of CP is available at 40 (I've got 287 without any melding on my classes still at 40), may not be quite so readily available without CP melding when below 39. If the recipe takes two Synths to finish, then simply replace that fifth Hasty Touch with one Synth. If it (for some reason) takes three, then replace the fifth and the last Touches with Synthesis actions, and rather than doing four Hasty Touches while covered by the second Steady Hand, do 3 and then put in your best Touch that CP allows.
That said, if you are going to use the Great Strides method, try this :
Inner Quiet
Great Strides
Steady Hand
best Touch
Great Strides
best Touch
Great Strides
best Touch
Synth
If you do not have at least 232 CP, then you will need to use Great Strides->Basic Touch for at least one of the three Touches in that method. Putting Great Strides before the Steady Hand lets you get all three Touches covered by the one Steady Hand.
My method does a rather good job at getting a lot of quality into a 40 durability recipe. You get 10 total Touches (less if the recipe takes more than one Synth to finish) though, seeing as two of them are totally uncovered by Steady Hand, fewer are expected to actually succeed. -
11-08-2013, 06:51 AMKsenia
I have 280 CP at 38 (alch same suit though) but my materia is in craftsmanship because I was bored and wanted to make 40 Lanolin at 38 with a single standard Synthesis. 232 craftsmanship, add an HQ Rolanberry sauce and I was able to do it. Level 38 Alechemist doing level 40 Lanolin with great strides method and I am pushing 9000 exper on them in rotation. That's why I prefer the great strides method over Hasty.
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11-11-2013, 06:03 AMMarael
Simple solution, don't rely so much on hasty touch. Figure out a better skill rotation with the skills that are available to you where you don't have to rely on it at all, or only for one or two uses to fill out your durability.
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11-11-2013, 06:41 AMYanDere
I am only lv30 WVR and lv15 or less for other crafts, but what I can suggest is: if you fail too often, then sacrifice quality to get progress.
It's better a NQ craft than a failed HQ one.
Just use Basic/Standard Synthesis and Standard Touch, instead of Hasty Touch. -
11-11-2013, 06:53 PMVortok
That's the risk you run when you use Hasty Touch. When it works, it can get you more quality than otherwise. When it fails though, it fails hard. My 40 Dura crafts (that I can't just brute force HQ before durability is an issue) look like this. You can remove/replace what you don't have.
Comfort Zone (50 ALC)
Inner Quiet
Stead Hand II (37 CLN)
Waste Not (15 LTW)
Basic Touch x 3
Steady Hand
Great Strides
Innovation (50 GSM)
Advanced Touch
Great Strides
Byregot's Blessing (50 CRP)
Careful Synth II (50 WVR)
Nowadays it HQs anything sub 1 star (can drop the Waste Not on 80 dura crafts), but you don't start crafting with a bunch of cross class 50 abilities (didn't pick up Innovation for a long time since I delayed Mining and the related crafts).
There's several places you can pick up more CP with Tricks of the Trade (15 ALC). Downgrade the last two touch actions to whatever you need to based on your CP. You can also swap the order of the first Great Strides and Steady Hand (particularly when you don't have Innovation) which gives you 2 spare SH steps on the last Great Strides - you just run the risk of Excellent popping up after GS before you have SH back up (into Poor). You can use those steps + spare CP to Observe to fish for a Great/Excellent proc. If you have enough CP, you could refresh SH/GS and then Observe - depending on how lucky you got with Tricks.
I didn't find it worthwhile to use spare CP to upgrade the first 3 touches unless I knew it would guarantee 100% (unless Excellent, in which case swap with the first GS touch).
The best part (for me) is how different it feels from Hasty Touch. With bad luck on Hasty Touch you get utterly screwed. With bad luck on this method you're still likely in the 70-80% range from NQ mats depending on stats/gear. Good luck means you do better than expected (likely 100%), but without any luck you still do fine overall.
I've never used anything but CP food, while leveling or at cap. More actions is just that valuable. -
11-12-2013, 05:37 AMzdub303
Once you have Byregot's Blessing you can get away with not using hasty anymore. I hate the rng on hasty as well and i've worked rotations out to never use it. SH II + basic all the way now.
WN + SH II + 5xBT into BB is pretty much the gold standard now for crafting. Its very powerful and 100% consistent.
My suggestion would be to put down wvr and get crp to 50 first.