How do I White Mage D:

Hey, everyone. New WHM 50 here, still trying to wrap my head around the unwritten rules of endgame. Here's what I've gathered so far:

• THM to 24 and ACN to 36 or GTFO.
• Full DL before HM Garuda or Coil.

But like, I'm running into problems where people keep dying in pickup groups when I'm just trying to do AK or WP. (At least, when I was trying that earlier before realizing I needed to level my other classes.) I don't have my relic or any DL gear except for the earring yet, so how am I supposed to get the gear I need to do endgame stuff if I can't do entry-level endgame dungeons to get gear? :confused:

Is it the fact that I'm trying to do pickup groups, or do I desperately need to upgrade my gear from the lv. 50 class stuff they give you? I know my technique needs work; (continued)

just today I upgraded to a lv. 55 staff, and I've been reading strategy threads and think I need to adjust my hotbars and use Divine Seal more often. (And let the tank build hate before casting, and not have Regen on the tank when they pull, geeze.)

Is there anything else I need to know? Is there a particular gear set that's mandatory before AK / WP? And do attribute point upgrades that you earn on THM / ACN apply to your WHM as well? Because if so I need to do lots of grinding and put points into MND. >_>

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Originally Posted by Jewelfox

• THM to 24 and ACN to 36 or GTFO.
• Full DL before HM Garuda or Coil.

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Swiftcast is useful, not mandatory, don't let your people die or look for a different group. :P
What's on the arcanist at 36? Do you mean Eye-for an Eye at 34?
"Barrier Effect: 20% chance that when barrier is struck, the striker will deal 10% less damage for 20 seconds"
How's that even remotely required? Every 5th hit you'll receive 10% less damage. It's nice but not mandatory either.
This is coming from someone who cleared turn 4 already. :P

Full DL, yes for Coil, hardly for Garuda, maybe for Titan.
Get your relic.

ACN to 34? Hahaha, what, for Eye for an Eye? Hahaha.

That ability is awful.

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Originally Posted by Garnatian

ACN to 34? Hahaha, what, for Eye for an Eye? Hahaha.

That ability is hands down the worst ability the ACN has.

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I guess I'm being hard on myself here and trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong.

I didn't pick up swiftcast till turn 2 in coil. I also sold titan runs with my group without swiftcast. It is not mandatory, although it most certainly makes life 100 times easier. Eye for an eye is not mandatory either, even less so than swiftcast. I personally prefer Virus over Eye for an Eye as a single target damage mitigator although I have, and use both.
You can do Ifrit with pretty much "just hit level 50" gear, you can do garuda with like half DL, Titan probably like 85-90% DL if you choose to pug it, and 100%DL for coil not really any exceptions here.
Get your hands on a garuda/ifrit weapon asap, then go after relic once your gear looks decent for titan.

Other class attributes do not carry over to WHM.
Best thing to do is grab some good, geared dps/tanks to party with early on. If you don't its still possible, just slower, probably with alot of wipes.

Run WP to cap you mythology tombstones each week and get the gear drops. Farm Ifrit for your primal weapon, and run the 8 man dungeons or WP for Philo and start upgrading to DL. Also replace all your low level accessories with level 48 crafted stuff. It's cheap. You're just making life harder on yourself if you don't and probably why you can't keep your party up.

Get swiftcast and love it.

Hi Mira,

I notice you're on my sever. :) I don't know when your online times are, but I help manage a LS on Balmung for puggers who are either also RPers or friendly to RPers. We pretty much do everything up to Coils (though Titan runs are very few and far between). I should be on in a few hours (generally around Noon CST is when I get online), and if you are, poke me in-game and I can try to hook you up with some experienced tanks and help you sort out your accessories a bit.

Swiftcast is mandatory and makes life easier when you need to raise someone or cast something long mid fight.

If you're struggling with WP then go back to CM and Praetorium and use some tomes to upgrade. Don't jump straight in to AK until you're comfortable with WP.

WP will get you iLvl 55 gear. Make sure Proshell is up all the time, cast stoneskin on people before boss fights, make good use of regen and don't panic. Don't run forwards in WP though because you can trigger mobs inadvertently.

WP Bosses: remove the debuff the goobbue puts on, stay out of red circles and stay at a distance. Puddings: try and make sure you stoneskin people at the start and be aware that someone will get targetted once the adds are down so they may need extra healing. Final boss: make sure no more than 3 maybe 4 adds are being killed before he uses his rancor attack and that the tank has as many protective buffs on them as possible before it hits. Be prepared to put a big cure on.

Some of these might seem like common sense, but I don't know how new you are. ^^; If you have any questions, let me know. I'll probably check this thread up tomorrow. I could add a million things to this list, but heres a few that just popped in my mind right now.

Tips:
1) Dont regen near end of a trash mob fight. (!!!)
2) Dont regen pre-fight. (!!!)
3) Try to stoneskin between pulls and before bosses. (!!!)
4) Try to keep regen up on tank for entire bossfights.
5) Don't spam medica 2 for AOE healing. Go Medica2 > medica 1 until the HoT is off.
6) Try to squeeze in as much of Cure1 as you can as its way more efficient than cure 2. (!!!)
7) Cure 3 is largely useless if you are undergeared and can't supplement the mana for it.
8) Eye for an eye is a great skill, don't listen to anyone who says otherwise.
9) Try to run AK as much as possible for Strategos set. to placehold until DL
10)IMO, WP is easier if you have a geared tank, AK is easier if you have geared dps.
11) Overgeared tanks require extremely little healing in AK/WP if it isn't a speed run. Try to get one!!!
12) Once again, Ifrit/Garuda weapons make a HUGE HUGE HUGE impact on your healing. Try to get one!!!
13) Esuna anything and everything.
14) Make good use of Divine seal. Also, if you regen while Divine seal is up, the regen will stay as the stronger version even after divine seal fades. So try to put a fresh regen on the tank when its getting close to expiring.
15) Run Castrum if you are still having trouble with WP/AK
16) Going 30VIT attributes helps alot if you are new to HM primal fights.
17) Cap mythology every week.
18) Main pieces of gear are bigger upgrades than accessories (Head, Chest, Legs, Waist, Gloves, Feet) > (Earrings, Rings, Neck, etc) The main pieces are the main source of your VIT. I would probably grab as many of the main pieces as I could before switching to accessories. Don't get the tunic first, get cheap pieces like Waist/feet/hands first. Once you have a few pieces, go grind out that tunic. Also, try to get rid of anything below level 45 by buying AH whites/greens. You're better off wearing spiritbond whites and making some money than wearing crap level 27-42 stuff.

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Originally Posted by BunnyChain

Swiftcast is useful, not mandatory, don't let your people die or look for a different group. :P
What's on the arcanist at 36? Do you mean Eye-for an Eye at 34?
"Barrier Effect: 20% chance that when barrier is struck, the striker will deal 10% less damage for 20 seconds"
How's that even remotely required? Every 5th hit you'll receive 10% less damage. It's nice but not mandatory either.
This is coming from someone who cleared turn 4 already. :P

Full DL, yes for Coil, hardly for Garuda, maybe for Titan.
Get your relic.

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Another wrong explaination of Eye for an Eye even with quoting the tooltip. Eye for an Eye does not have a 20% Chance to reduce the damage by 10% it has a 20% Chance to reduce all damage after triggering by that mob for 20 seconds by 10%. A Mob attacking as frequent as a Player has a chance close to 100% triggering it at least once thus reducing all damage by 10% dealt by that mob. Very good in large pulls and on aoe heavy Mobs that you cant avoid (Titan Coil...) Moderate on tank and spank. You really want to have this skill but you can manage it without. Swiftcast on the other hand... I wont miss it.

If you're having issues in WP/AK it might be due to lack of familiarity with the mechanics more than with the class itself. Keeper of Halidom(WP), Psycheflayer(AK), and Anatabooga(or however it's spelled, AK) all have moves that put a debuff on the target that lowers incoming healing significantly and ideally needs to be cleansed with Esuna before you resume healing them. Tonberry King is also an awkward fight for a fresh level 50, since it's likely the first time you're going to have to precast in order to deal with spike damage. Setting the boss as your focus target (shift + F while targeting something) will let you see when troublesome moves are coming up (in the case of Tonberry King, Everyone's Grudge), allowing you time time a Cure 2 to hit just after the damage is dealt.

Some misc. tips off the top of my head:
-I have both WHM and SCH at 50 and I could not imagine playing either without Swiftcast, take that as you will. Eye for an Eye is a bit more niche but it is great to have (particularly when you start speedrunning, or when you reach content where every defensive cooldown helps), get it when/if you can but understand that not having it is not the end of the world by any means.
-It's worth pointing out that weapon damage will have the highest impact of any stat on your healing output, as it's a bit unintuitive and many players don't figure it out on their own. Always go for the weapon with higher magical damage if given the option.
-You should never cast Medica 2 back to back. Casting Medica 2 once, and then casting Medica 1 until the regen effect is about to wear off is not only much less MP intensive but also amounts to much higher sustained area healing. I still see the occasional WHM casting Medica 2 back to back in fights like Titan HM and I have to wonder if they ever actually read their ability tooltips. This only applies to fights such as Titan HM and Coil Turn 4 where there is heavy, sustained damage being done to the entire group.

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Originally Posted by Slark

14) Make good use of Divine seal. Also, if you regen while Divine seal is up, the regen will stay as the stronger version even after divine seal fades. So try to put a fresh regen on the tank when its getting close to expiring.

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I'm glad you brought this up, and I would like to add that you can't overwrite Regen with a weaker version of itself. In other words, if you cast Regen on someone while you have Divine Seal active, you will want to wait until that Regen wears off the target completely before refreshing it-- otherwise, it will have no effect, and you will have wasted a GCD and a small chunk of MP.

One of the biggest learning curves I found when I started those dungeons was the status effect's being thrown around. Between immunity down/strong poison on keeper, all the status under the sun on the Jelly, heavy on tonberry king, Disease on Antabolga. Disease of Psyflayer, slow/paralyze on Demon wall, it felt like I was running AV all over again. A good chunk of those abilities cripples your healing so you really need to keep an eye on for status allignments in the 50 dungeons. It makes a massive difference in how well you do, and it's often hard to realize if people don't tell you (Which they often don't)

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Originally Posted by Jewelfox

[*]Full DL before HM Garuda or Coil.

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Helpful but not needed. I just downed Garuda twice in a row last night doing DF group and i'm not full DL. No, i wasn't be carried, I was absolutely keeping up with healing staying ahead of the game for being OOM doing good, no deaths except one dps who was an idiot and didn't hide.

My gear was HQ Madman's weapon, AFChest, Gloves, Legs, Helm. DL Boots, Waist, Ring x1, Neck, Wrist, Earring.

First run was so easy I decided to do it again, got my Garuda weapon on second run. Swiftcast would b awesome in the clutch moments where you need to get another healer up or BLM and you can use it to insta-rez(assuming you can do that right?)

IMO Ifrit was WAY harder than Garuda.

I'm a fresh 50 whm myself, but it's my second lvl 50. I had the good fortune to get a huge chuck of the healer AK gear before even hitting 50. I also pre farmed my Garuda Weapon with my blm. Now I'm not having any issues healing through WP or AK, but Ifrit was a nightmare for me as a healer. I haven't done Garuda yet as whm.

Just a heads up on garuda hm this a normal basic stuff but i seen many not used when the "sister" spawns ads is best to used "Shroud of Saints" just to reduce your eneminity. When they show makes the tank much easier for them to agro them.

At at all cases when i run as a whm n see another whm not used shroud to just get the eniminity away from i think is just wasting on time for the tank that "may" have trouble taking the "sister" away from healers.

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Originally Posted by Darness

Just a heads up on garuda hm this a normal basic stuff but i seen many not used when the "sister" spawns ads is best to used "Shroud of Saints" just to reduce your eneminity. When they show makes the tank much easier for them to agro them.

At at all cases when i run as a whm n see another whm not used shroud to just get the eniminity away from i think is just wasting on time for the tank that "may" have trouble taking the "sister" away from healers.

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Aye, my first time I almost got rocked by that. Other healer caught me before I KO'd

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Originally Posted by Slark

18) Main pieces of gear are bigger upgrades than accessories (Head, Chest, Legs, Waist, Gloves, Feet) > (Earrings, Rings, Neck, etc) The main pieces are the main source of your VIT. I would probably grab as many of the main pieces as I could before switching to accessories. Don't get the tunic first, get cheap pieces like Waist/feet/hands first. Once you have a few pieces, go grind out that tunic. Also, try to get rid of anything below level 45 by buying AH whites/greens. You're better off wearing spiritbond whites and making some money than wearing crap level 27-42 stuff.

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This was very helpful, thank you!

I've been wondering for a while ... since when do we need DL gear for garuda, WP, AK...

People using forum lately have been spreading this a lot, and most of the ppl I've seen so far that have problem are ppl who leveling from FATE.

Level 50 Trails & Dungeons are all about mechanics and strategies. Since you don't actually tell us what are your problems then we can't really help much. If it is strategy, then you can study and learn / discuss in a party.

If it is a healing experiece then, I suggest go back and start doing from sunken temple up to lv50 dungeons.

You can even doing Titan with 0 DL as long as you can cure ~700 hp and have enough hp to survive Earthen Fury, and 7 Tumults while medica2+medica.

Oh, and on final note. You can do WP/AK/Ifrit/Garuda with all AF party + lv50 weapon.

Titan with 0 Darklight? So, you mean full Strategos set then? I can tell you that if you don't have HQ crafted, or strategos, theres no way to survive that stuff without doing completely unnecessary things. Strategos is doable for a coordinated group where some of the members are geared. For a Mor Dhona pug? No. It is not acceptable. Pugs make mistakes, they are not coordinated, and they need to overgear the encounter to make up for sloppy play. Not everyone has another 7 people who are skilled to fall back on. Also, if you have full strategos, why would you not have any darklight?

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Originally Posted by Weltende

I'm glad you brought this up, and I would like to add that you can't overwrite Regen with a weaker version of itself

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Damn, now I know why my regen sometimes has no effect on the tank. I thought it was a bug ==a"

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Originally Posted by Jewelfox

Hey, everyone. New WHM 50 here, still trying to wrap my head around the unwritten rules of endgame. Here's what I've gathered so far:

• THM to 24 and ACN to 36 or GTFO.
• Full DL before HM Garuda or Coil.

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Coil..yeah.

Nothing before that needs Full Darklight. (For Titan I had one piece of darklight, rest AK ilvl60s and redid my stats to have more vitality so I wouldn't die after heart phase). Granted though if you are pugging everything DL is sort of a requirement so depends if you are with friends or not :)

For those of you referring to Eye for an Eye as "a waste of resources," check this out. Also, remember it costs no MP. Free damage mitigation hardly seems like a waste.

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Originally Posted by BunnyChain

Swiftcast is useful, not mandatory, don't let your people die or look for a different group. :P
What's on the arcanist at 36? Do you mean Eye-for an Eye at 34?
"Barrier Effect: 20% chance that when barrier is struck, the striker will deal 10% less damage for 20 seconds"
How's that even remotely required? Every 5th hit you'll receive 10% less damage. It's nice but not mandatory either.
This is coming from someone who cleared turn 4 already. :P

Full DL, yes for Coil, hardly for Garuda, maybe for Titan.
Get your relic.

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I'm sorry but that is absolutely NOT the way Eye for an Eye works. There is a thread started in the Healer forum about this exact type of misinformation about the skill.

It's a bit worrying just how many people honestly believe Eye for an Eye is a bad skill because they don't understand how it works.

Not going to bother to explain it because it has been explained countless times already-- seems like willfull ignorance to me at this point.

I'm going to hit 50 in a few hours and I have one question that I'm curious about. In 8 man parties, with 2 healers, how is the responsibility divided between the healers? I mean to avoid things like both of us healing the same target at the same time, etc. I never see the healers coordinating this in chat, so is it just a free for all or is there some unwritten rule?

I would imagen it would also depend upon if you have two of one class or one of each healing class. I suspect it could go into ether, one is a tank and the other is a party healer. Could also be split into one person takes care of three people including 1 tank and the other does the same. Seems kind of hard to tell with this game. But I would imagen its probably one is a tank and the other is a party healer with the party healer using helpful spells on the tank as well.

I appreciate your imagination, and you could very well be right. But I'd like an experienced whm to chime in on this if possible.

I hope that doesn't sound mean Haytur, it certainly isn't meant to!

For Castrum and Praetorium, as well HM Primals, you won't need that much coordination. If one healer is new to the dungeon then you'll need to hold his hand a bit but nothing much required. Maybe a little bit in Titan HM on who will top off the tank and who will stoneskin, pre-Mountain Buster, though it's more a convenience and not a necessity.

Coil is a different story though. For fights like Caduceus, both healers will need to coordinate and split heealing duties in the party.

Hello Mira! :)

As a fresh level 50, you should start with farming AK for full (or close) set of Strategos. Now that people mostly speedrun WP, AK is actually even easier to do as a WHM. I would consider WP as a waste of time for a fresh 50 as it doesn't drop the gear you need and AK gives the same amount of Philosophy for DL.

You can heal everything up to Garuda in full Strategos. For Titan, upgrade as many pieces as possible to DL and try to get Garuda weapon (and Darklight shield from WP to go with it). After beating Titan and getting your relic weapon, upgrade as much to DL and possible and weapon to +1 before starting Coil.

For crossclass abilities, Swiftcast, Eye for an Eye and Virus are a must for a healer.

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Originally Posted by Odd

I'm going to hit 50 in a few hours and I have one question that I'm curious about. In 8 man parties, with 2 healers, how is the responsibility divided between the healers? I mean to avoid things like both of us healing the same target at the same time, etc. I never see the healers coordinating this in chat, so is it just a free for all or is there some unwritten rule?

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In general, in pugs, it's a free for all. In a static group, you're going to need to work with your fellow healer.