Me and my FC members were having a conversation about the Egi's ( the summons ) We hate them . OMG do we hate them . We were talking about when we get Shiva or Ramuh whats it going to look like . I can see it now Ramuh a lightning crystal with a beard i mean WTF really . We could not understand the design choice for this . FFXI Summons looked epic compared to what we have here and that's using outdated PS2 yes PS2 hardware . We were like why didn't they ( SE ) just copy the XI summons make them smaller and give them some polish ? Anyone have this conversation ?
A Small gripe
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11-05-2013, 04:08 PMDarkRainA Small gripe
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11-05-2013, 04:14 PMWildspriteoh I agree with you on this, I hate the look of the Egi's, they dont even look half as nice as the summonables in FFXI do which I find sad because the Primals you fight look awesome. but alas they said this was intentional because of some lore they didnt fully explain.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkRain
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11-05-2013, 04:14 PMMireille
Lengthy thread on the subject here. I think one of the last posts in that thread references another similar thread on the topic of smn.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...TAT-ALLOCATION) -
11-05-2013, 04:17 PMNouranHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA that made my day XDDDDDDDDDDDQuote:
Originally Posted by DarkRain
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11-05-2013, 04:17 PMBabydoll
Lmao lighting crystal with a beard xD
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11-05-2013, 04:18 PMDarkRain
http://storage.siliconera.com/wordpr..._egi_thumb.jpg << THIS
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z..._XI_Summon.jpg <<< Or this with polish -
11-05-2013, 04:28 PMThagyr
Spose they should have a quest for summoners to do what the Ultima Weapon did and just eat the Primals whole in order to summon them fully.
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11-05-2013, 04:34 PMDarkRain
They COULD have made them small and it would have fit the story just fine . Or made them like half and half by this i mean make the upper half look like the summons and the bottom half like the way it is now . It would have worked . I don't mind them being small but my god there hideous looking lol . ( lets be honest the "Fits the lore" Excuse is to try to justify the bad design i think )
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11-05-2013, 04:35 PMElim
I did a quick sketch of what I think Ramuh will look like.
http://i39.tinypic.com/2091zkn.png
P.S I'm not so good at drawing beards.
P.S P.S Also, I'm pretty sure I spelled Ramuh wrong in the picture. -
11-05-2013, 04:37 PMXainTheGreat
im not sure who the hell shevia or rhuma are, but im pretty sure its Shiva, and Ramuh
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11-05-2013, 05:06 PMWildspritewhy not thisQuote:
Originally Posted by DarkRain
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...rit_Battle.jpg
slightly bigger than this?
http://storage.siliconera.com/wordpr..._egi_thumb.jpg
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11-05-2013, 05:11 PMDarkRainThat is what im suggesting . The same model but much smaller would have been 1000 times better then the current Egi designQuote:
Originally Posted by Wildsprite
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11-05-2013, 05:12 PMMikedizzy
I wanted to play a summoner until I saw these...now I am like no way!!!!
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11-05-2013, 05:13 PMRyknow
In the future i do believe that they should make "ACTUAL" summons and have the Egi's as what the elemental summons on XI were. That would be pretty god damn impressive. ;)
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11-05-2013, 05:15 PMWildspriteI completely agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Ryknow
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11-05-2013, 06:08 PMispano
The EGI are manifestations of the Primal's power. Not a mini version of the Primal itself. The lore is rather clear also that Primals are worshipped as Gods, and that's part of why you don't get to summon them, small or not.
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11-05-2013, 06:16 PMRyuko
The naming conventions make it confusing, but Ifrit-Egi is not technically a 'tiny' Ifrit (Primal), nor are you directly drawing FROM Ifrit (Primal). You are drawing from the same aether energy that created Ifrit (Fire elemental prime). So, even though it's named Ifrit-Egi, that is why it's not really a carbon copy of Ifrit (but smaller).
The more energy a summoned being has, the more defined and life-like it looks. Ifrit-Egi, Garuda-Egi, and Titan-Egi do not look as lifelike as the primals. They look more like elementals with lifelike shapes. The reason Summoners cannot 'take on' more energy than this is because it would be dangerous to do so. Do you notice how the primals have 'corrupted' the beastmen who call upon them? And those are whole beast tribes! If one summoner calls upon too much power, he or she will be incapable of controlling it... or at least that is the assumption based on the storyline, anyway.
I understand if people are not comfortable with this lore. It can be disappointing if you're used to the crazy powerful Summoners of other games... However, it DOES fit in with this particular game's lore. So, if you dislike how it is... say you dislike the lore entirely. Don't say that it doesn't fit the game lore.
Anyway... I'm not so much bothered by the shape or detail as I am bothered by the size. In the grand scheme of things, Summoner and Scholar pets are very little. I don't want the Egi to be increased TOO much in size (especially not to the ratio it was in FFXI!), but a small increase once the level cap is raised (to compensate for the summoner getting 'more powerful') would be nice.
Oh, obligatory comment about how dozens of these threads already exist~ -
11-05-2013, 06:39 PMVermilion
Simple solution, don't play summoner.
Devs can do what they want, if they want to make summons look like cheap knockoffs' of the real thing let them.
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11-05-2013, 06:42 PMKrystalynn
I hate what they've done with Summoners in this game. It's tragic. I know they wanted to make the Espers into Primals and have them be this important role in the story... but what you got instead was really kind of lame in return. No variety, no size. You get a cute pokemon or some random world of warcraft elemental reject.