I am truly disappointed that the Dev team is planning to "Shift to automated character development based on class rank, with optional attribute point allotment".
The Producer said himself that they want to have a battle system "that rewards effort and innovation"
In my opinion the ability to set my attributes however I like is equivalent to being innovative with the battle system. I can for example be a mage with enough vitality to be able to solo mobs. Or a melee that has enough MP to cure itself. It allows me to be able to do things that are out of the box and innovative.
Removing this freedom to set the attributes however I please will turn this game into a gear based system, where people will be viciously competing for the best gear to modify their set traits. Essentially turning it in to the community of FFXI. Extremely self centered because of the greed over getting gear.
I propose abolishing physical levels as intended, but allowing the point allotment for each class to be customized, and the point allotment would be changed based on what class you switch to.
For example,
I have a rank 20 conjurer, and it only has a total of 200 points that I can put into my stats. I choose to put 50 into vitality and 50 into piety 50 into mind and 50 into intelligence.
When I switch to a rank 10 gladiator I only have a total of 100 points that I can put into my stats. I choose to put 25 into vitality 50 into strength and 25 into mind.
The server will save the point allotment that I have chosen for each class and my point allotment will change depending on which class I switch to. Ideally there would not be any restrictions on how many points that i could put into each individual stat based on class type.
I truly hope that we will not have to change into cookie cutter classes and that we will be able to customize our stats still and not have to resort to getting gear to break free from the mould.
[dev1073] Do not implement automated point allotment!
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05-23-2011, 08:35 AMNyx[dev1073] Do not implement automated point allotment!
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05-23-2011, 08:37 AMStarlordThey are doing Both Automated ( for the people that dont want to think about putting points where they need to go) and Player Self Placements on where they put the points in Each class. You have the right to choose weather you want to put the points in yourself or not =)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyx
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05-23-2011, 08:37 AMJynx
Not to jump to conclusions but I assume they mean Auto ranking "with optional point allotment should you find the auto-leveling inseficient.
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05-23-2011, 08:39 AMSuzakuCMX
Somebody didn't read the entire post.
"The decision: attribute point allotment will no longer accompany gains in physical level, and will instead occur when characters rise in class rank. Although the amount in frequency of points awarded will be lower than previously, players will find that each point will have a more profound effect." -
05-23-2011, 08:39 AMEvangela
automated point allotment base on classes = BORING!!
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05-23-2011, 08:41 AMRockVolnuttNot going to get rid of allocatable points.Quote:
In the recent battle poll (thanks to all who participated), we learned that a considerable number of players would be willing to forgo physical levels, but wanted to retain the ability to customize characters through attribute allotment. Armed with this knowledge, we proceeded to formulate the optimal solution.
The decision: attribute point allotment will no longer accompany gains in physical level, and will instead occur when characters rise in class rank. Although the amount in frequency of points awarded will be lower than previously, players will find that each point will have a more profound effect.
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05-23-2011, 08:48 AMNyx
I must have missed that part >_>;; I must have not seen that. I don't remember seeing it on the most recent letter, could you please tell me what letter/poll it was in?
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05-23-2011, 08:50 AMSuzakuCMXIt was in Matsui's battle reform blueprint.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyx
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...form-Blueprint
It's in the Battle Mechanics forum, took me a while to find it D: -
05-23-2011, 08:52 AMNyx
Thank you!
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05-23-2011, 08:54 AMStarlordWell, it was originally in the Battle Planners Post which says this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyx
And in the Letter of Producer X it says this ( Under the Armory/Job System Cell):Quote:
In the recent battle poll (thanks to all who participated), we learned that a considerable number of players would be willing to forgo physical levels, but wanted to retain the ability to customize characters through attribute allotment. Armed with this knowledge, we proceeded to formulate the optimal solution.
The decision: attribute point allotment will no longer accompany gains in physical level, and will instead occur when characters rise in class rank. Although the amount in frequency of points awarded will be lower than previously, players will find that each point will have a more profound effect.
So it is mentioned in both of those pasts =)Quote:
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Shift to automated character development based on class rank, with optional attribute point allotment
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05-23-2011, 09:18 AMTeknoman
Yup, its going to be optional, so no worries. Besides that way, people who dont want to have to worry about "messing up" can just worry about gear and skills/party tactics.
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05-23-2011, 10:13 AMNyx
I'm so glad and super embarrassed at the same time.
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05-23-2011, 10:16 AMStarlordNo worries =), only thing that feel bad for is that you wrote that wall of text for nothing.. but at least you got the answer your looking for :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Nyx
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05-23-2011, 11:00 AMCairdeas
Anything that takes us away from the ragnarok point allotment schema and the shitty balancing caps that have ruined our damage calculations I approve of.
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05-23-2011, 11:10 PMSorel
I'm still uncertain exactly what going to happen from the quotes we have.
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Originally Posted by Akihikio_Matsui
Is point allotment going to be automated or customized?Quote:
Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida
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05-23-2011, 11:11 PMCairdeasA Mix of the two. Most likely something like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sorel
Every Level you get
5 Points automatic to each stat, and 1 you can set yourself. -
05-23-2011, 11:41 PMSephr
Or, you'll have the option to turn automated allotment on and off, and you can choose to set them however you want.
Did you not actually read your own quote? It even says 'optional point allotment'. -
05-23-2011, 11:44 PMJinko
I would like to see the option for personal and auto allocation.
I can totally see why the would want auto allocation from a balancing stand point too, even Diablo 3 will be using auto allocation.
Come end game there will be a favoured build and everyone will be expected to use it or a slight variation.
And of course if they are making stats more important gear will play a much bigger role in defining our characters, I really don't want to start a dungeon only to fine out the healer has all his points in STR and DEX. -
05-24-2011, 12:20 AMSorelWell the thing is that "optional point allotment" could mean two different things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephr
- Players have the option to allocate their points, instead of using the automated allotment.
- Players get optional points to allocate in addition to the automated allotment.
That is where my confusion lies. Is the "system" optional, or is the actual "point" optional? -
05-24-2011, 12:22 AMNuruSounds like how Super Mario RPG worked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cairdeas
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05-24-2011, 12:31 AMStarlordBest game ever!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuru
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05-24-2011, 12:33 AMArcell
Wow talk about jumping to conclusions and getting all riled up. They're giving classes some point allotment (not necessarily even taking from your points) based on the class and then you'll be able to throw in some extra points which while fewer in number have been said to have a greater effect.
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05-24-2011, 12:47 AMNuruHells yes. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Starlord
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05-24-2011, 01:52 AMStarlordQuote:
Originally Posted by Nuru
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdR8-...eature=related