Dungeon tank bots?

Hey,

I decided to level my Healer and when doing lower level dungeons I always bump into bot tanks? Last week 3/5 dungeons I have done, had bot tanks. You let them die, they release and just come back to party location. Bot-tanks also run where Key Items are (Haukke Manor - Tiny Key locations, Coffers, etc.). I am sure there are more players like me who noticed this? I am not sure if all this tank botting done is just for exp / loot, but it is very annoying. I wait on Qs for like 20 mins as healer, but I can imagine, dps wait is even longer. After that you get party with tank bot, who only tanks one target and rest of ads, just go after healer. Leave 3 players with no Dungeon exp / loot / clear.

Thanks,

Ramunas

There's no reason for a bot to run Dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Garnatian

There's no reason for a bot to run Dungeons.

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Cuz there's no money to be made by selling Philo mats, right?

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Originally Posted by Garnatian

There's no reason for a bot to run Dungeons.

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I see no reason myself, but why then they are bot-tanking them low level dungeons?

And can't agree more with Norbi on lv50 ones.

Damn if they are actually clearing dungeons with a bot tank that's a pretty good bot. Have you ever considered maybe they just dont speak english?

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Originally Posted by Laryndra

Damn if they are actually clearing dungeons with a bot tank that's a pretty good bot. Have you ever considered maybe they just dont speak english?

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Possible. Another possibility is that the so called "bots" just don't know how their skills work (i.e. don't see the point in flash, overpower, realizing the need to cycle through targets, mark targets, tomahock throw/shield lob, etc..).

Being a level 30 tank I am sure you would know a thing or two about tanking.
If they are not english speaking, fair enough, but you can see silly patterns in their movement, moving to opened Coffer, spending like 5-10 seconds at it, runing to some location, where Game Item (Door Key for example) was, spending another 5-10 secs at it where there is absolutely nothing there. Even so, if they die, they repeatedly run to the exact same (Coffer, Key Item) locations and does the 5-10 sec thing once again.

Just google'd a bit, and there are good few people seeing this issue too. I would really recommend using DF for a low lv dungeons and experiencing that yourselves. You can't get "bad" tank 5 out of 8 times, can you? And even so, talking with party people they too get them "tanks" few times in a row, which just adds them numbers up.

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Originally Posted by Gatavs

Even so, if they die, they repeatedly run to the exact same (Coffer, Key Item) locations and does the 5-10 sec thing once again.

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That's a clear indicator. A lot of other stuff could be bad play or a confused player, but that sounds automated.

Wonder what the angle is. I could kind of see a profit from all-bot groups farming, but just tank bots among regular players?

"lower level dungeons" ... Hmm, can't say I've seen this. Run a lot of dungeons, but more higher level than lower.

Had a hard time figuring out how there would be profit in that, but I suppose if you get even 1 chest with a few tin pieces in it, then that's some profit. Small profit is fine if you're putting zero effort into it. Or a creature kill gives you a crafting component even.

I have ran with some tanks that I wish would use a bot instead of them playing.

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Originally Posted by Gatavs

Being a level 30 tank I am sure you would know a thing or two about tanking.

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You'd be surprised.

I've done some Haukke runs on some alternate classes and I've grouped with some rather atrocious tanks. They use Flash once and think that's going to keep hate off of the CNJ and the SMN using Bane to spread around DoTs. I've had to bust out Titan at times just to ensure that something was picking up the other adds that the tank didn't care to deal with.

I don't think this is a case of there being bots really. Many people that play dungeons are anti-social and won't even say hello at the start. I can understand the pacing of dungeons making it difficult to chat. As far as releasing, if you're close enough to the entrance it makes sense as you don't get the weakened debuff and you can just keep going. Going straight to the keys, no big deal, maybe they've ran it enough times to know where exactly everything is. (but apparently after x amount of runs they still haven't figured out how to tank...)

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Originally Posted by Norbi

Cuz there's no money to be made by selling Philo mats, right?

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Sorry to tell you, but there are are WAY better ways to make money than selling those.

No Bot (whose aim is to make money) in their right mind would run dungeons.

This would presumeably provide a relatively risk free form of leveling. Nobody can report you for botting when they don't know which server you came from.

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Originally Posted by WhaleBiologist

This would presumeably provide a relatively risk free form of leveling. Nobody can report you for botting when they don't know which server you came from.

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I wouldn't call it "risk free". The task force could easily look up the reported character's name, how many servers have a character with that name/race/class combination, with the right level, who was logged in at the reported time, and then (presumably) monitor them running dungeons a few times. It's a lot of effort to go through, certainly, but there is no way to cover one's tracks.

I have noticed a few dps bots. They are usually pretty good. Lol they all use the same odd paths, they don't move until you engage, and they swap targets immediately when the tank does. If you say grats, they say thanks, no matter who you are talking too, but only once. There are a few more oddities that i cant remember off the top of my head.

I'm sure you all remember saying grats to someone for something, and the wrong person said thanks? If you do, then you were running with a bot and had no idea

I agree this is likely a power-levelling scheme.

First of all the ability to teleport into the dungeon with DF means that players dont have to travel around the world and have random spawns etc. - getting into the dungeon seems an "easy" thing to automate.

Then if they have scripts matching all the dungeons - you could 'almost' automate the entire lvling process.
Except for obviously having to unlock the dungeons if its a first-time character.

But automated lvling is, in my oppinion, the only thing that would make sense for bots to appear in the dungeons - the question then is why its always tanks.

Could be because people want tanks as they are the low-populated class currently for endgame/dungeons. Or maybe this is also happening with other classes?

I am a tank so i have not had the privilege of meeting one, but yes there are DPS, ran into three in the past 2 days, and i am sure there were more that i didn't notice. I would imagine a tank since it has insta-que makes them faster, but you have to have cahones to bot a tank. That is the most looked at role.

I guess this is where I can show something a bit hilarious I saw a few days ago.
http://i.imgur.com/J1My8Un.jpg
There was these 4 archers (no bards), at lv 31 standing near the repair dude in Advntr. Guild in Gridania, every 4 mins 30 seconds they would pop again there, then almost intantly re-queue in DF. Same gear on everyone, except hat, and this happened for a good time during the day. Not that their names help either.
Seems like now, they are all lv45 with starting gear and one or 2 random higher-level stuff.

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Originally Posted by Gatavs

Being a level 30 tank I am sure you would know a thing or two about tanking.

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idk man, I ran Stone Vigil just tonight before the NA/EU servers went down and our tank was a MRD in lvl 49 gear, which begs the question why the hell weren't they WAR? (needless to say they couldn't keep hate off myself, the BRD, or the BLM and quit after they wiped on the first boss)

The only time i have noticed bots are in things like Praetorium. There is this one Tank i've seen a few times at first i thought they were just leeching but they act very odd. They will just stand at the entrance for most of it but follow the party after a certain point and it's always the same point. Never responds to anything either. They had a normal name too so i think they were using a bot program to farm gear from CM and Prae. I guess in content like that it's easier to use a bot program on a Tank since you can always have another Tank to do the main anyway.

Never seen it in any other dungeons yet. A lot of Tanks who can't handle more than one target at a time but i know those are real players because they start blaming me for pulling aggro when they never even touched the other three targets and i pulled them on the first cure XD.

I believe it - I had mostly forgotten about this but I'm pretty sure there was a bot in a party at Cutter's Cry of all places (as a caster/DPS). I didn't believe it at first simply because I can't think of a single reason why anyone would bot the place. So I just kept going without paying much attention at first... but the rest of the party was convinced it was a bot and kept talking about it and trying to communicate with the character/player and pointing out odd things. By the end of the run, I was convinced it was a rather simple bot as well - even after being extremely skeptical initially. It likely wasn't just a crappy mute player (unless the person was insane?) as they would do the exact same actions that led to them dying over and over again at one point (thanks to us experimenting) without question/pause/deviation. There were other odd things as well that would suggest no rational player was controlling the character, but no reason to go into a lot of detail.

I still can't think of any reason to bot characters through a dungeon like Cutter's Cry though and I understand the skepticism.

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Originally Posted by Gatavs

Being a level 30 tank I am sure you would know a thing or two about tanking.

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Last night I taught a level 36 paladin in Haukke manor how to use flash.

He didn't have shield lob.

He didn't know why I wanted him to beat on more than one target at a time, or use flash for more than the blind, and he didn't know that fast blade combos into savage blade and into RoH, and that just mashing Rage was not an effective way to dps / build hate.

Level 36. Guess how he got there when I asked him? "I been doing fates"

Bot tanks are a real thing. Our FC encountered one in Satasha, and it's obvious why; the plundered green loot at the end can be resold on the market and for not insignificant money. The bot just needs at the end, and hey presto, 50,000gil