Traditional Final Fantasy UI for battles.

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05-22-2011, 12:20 PM
Matty86

Traditional Final Fantasy UI for battles.

Bring back the traditional UI for battles:

Attack (switch targets or toggle Auto attack on-off?)
Magic
Ability
Weapon Skill
Item

This is the Final fantasy UI, it's always been like this and should never change for any reason, you're still using it in FF action-style RPG and it works perfectly (Vers XIII, type-0).
Whitout that UI I (we?) will never feel like doing Final Fantasy battles.

Sorry for my bad english ;)
05-23-2011, 08:50 AM
Loth

Just so I get what you are asking for.

You want the combat UI to be changed from a hotbar one-click system (for PC keyboard users anyway) to a menu-driven system?

If that is the case, then no thanks.
05-23-2011, 10:23 AM
Neffie

To be honest i wouldn't mind both or the option at least to have one way over the other, i kinda miss the old FF menu too ^^;
05-23-2011, 07:17 PM
Abraxai

Thatd be awesome. Or at the very least an FFXI style UI. Since SE are now adding auto-attack very soon it seems like they're gonna have a lot of lee-way to change things about a bit with the UI. Hopefully something good will come of that lee-way.
05-23-2011, 08:21 PM
Vahzl

Unfortunately that system wouldn't work in an active world. You need to react fast to certain skills and abilities, and navigating menus seriously hinders your ability to do this. It is a nice idea, but it wouldn't work in practice.
05-23-2011, 09:18 PM
Neffie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vahzl

Unfortunately that system wouldn't work in an active world. You need to react fast to certain skills and abilities, and navigating menus seriously hinders your ability to do this. It is a nice idea, but it wouldn't work in practice.

That's why there is a macro system....
05-23-2011, 11:30 PM
Vahzl

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Originally Posted by Neffie

That's why there is a macro system....

So I don't get it, you want a menu system that is clunky, to be circumvented by a macro system because the new clunky menu is also no good? I really am not following the point of this now.
05-24-2011, 02:38 AM
Teknoman

If they had a keyboard/mouse or Gamepad mode to differ between the two, I wouldnt complain.
05-24-2011, 05:51 PM
Neffie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vahzl

So I don't get it, you want a menu system that is clunky, to be circumvented by a macro system because the new clunky menu is also no good? I really am not following the point of this now.

That's not what i was implying, as earlier i stated that i wouldn't mind the ability to toggle between the two styles. You said that certain skills require the user to act fast and also stated that due to this the menu system would not be valid. I was merely stating that if someone wanted to use the menu system it wouldn't impair them so much due to the fact that macros are just as quick as hotkeys/actionbar (In essence they are the same thing.) You say that the menu system may be clunky, but there are benefits, such as being able to access all of the skills you have, rather than those you can fit on your action bar. (Which may be good depending how they are handling skills in the new system) Also if you use a gamepad, the menu system wouldn't be any more clunky than the action bar is now, and with auto attack would probably be much easier for people on gamepads to find and access the abilities they want.
05-24-2011, 09:35 PM
thedevilsjester

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vahzl

Unfortunately that system wouldn't work in an active world. You need to react fast to certain skills and abilities, and navigating menus seriously hinders your ability to do this. It is a nice idea, but it wouldn't work in practice.

So...what is FFXI then? It uses the classic FF menu as requested by the OP, and it does a great job with it. I used it exclusively. Even with my WHM. And never had any issues with speed, timing, or anything of the sort. Especially with a controller, there is little to no speed difference between navigating left/right to find the right icon, and navigating through a classic menu system.

That being said, I rather enjoy the current FFXIV UI, and think that it will appeal to more MMORPG fans, even if its not as...FF as it could be.
05-25-2011, 04:55 AM
TomCarroll

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Originally Posted by thedevilsjester

So...what is FFXI then? It uses the classic FF menu as requested by the OP, and it does a great job with it.

lol'd.

Oh wait, you were serious?
05-25-2011, 06:44 PM
Vahzl

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedevilsjester

So...what is FFXI then? It uses the classic FF menu as requested by the OP, and it does a great job with it. I used it exclusively. Even with my WHM. And never had any issues with speed, timing, or anything of the sort. Especially with a controller, there is little to no speed difference between navigating left/right to find the right icon, and navigating through a classic menu system.

That being said, I rather enjoy the current FFXIV UI, and think that it will appeal to more MMORPG fans, even if its not as...FF as it could be.

Your point makes no sense, as FFXI also has an extensive macro system, which I extended further with windower macros (and don't bring your windower rubbish in here, it is a vital flaw in a games design when it cannot run in full screen mode without crashing on alt tab).

Each of my macros were around 25 lines long, and had every slot gear changes, and were all instantly at my fingertips. Neither menu based UI's offer the same functionality, so why clutter it up further? Don't pick out tiny parts of peoples posts and make that your focus, keep things in context please.
05-30-2011, 07:12 AM
Roaran

I played FFXI and Menu systems can work for long battles that don't require much input. There just so happened to be a lot of these kinds of encounters in FF11.... FFXIV, outside of NMs I suppose there aren't any really long battles.

Not saying that it couldn't work or that it can't be good, but I don't think it will be implemented.