Why do you continue to play?

Just curious why do you who are so much better than everyone else still play this game? There are some that you can find in nearly every thread with a negative opinion about anything from turn 5 being bugged to casuals being under geared ( cause your not willing to put fourth the effort 8-12 hrs a day effort ) game is to easy end game is not suppose to be for everyone on and on and on.
So why do you play?
I can do this in 40 mins so I have RL time ( to spend in forums posting how great I am or how bad everyone else is) So why do you play?
I come to forums for advice or tell of something fun . Understand you can post whatever here but when all you do is complain and bash something you have to have a reason why do you still play?

I know this isn't directed towards people like me, who actually like the game, but I do believe that many, if not most, can agree that FFXIV has a strong foundation and potential, and I believe many can see it. I wouldn't be surprised many people who are angry at one thing and complaining about the game, do it because they know, in their eyes, it could be much better and since they know the game, in its core, is great, they care in the end. If not, they wouldn't be posting here in the first place.

That's my theory, anyway.

the only thing bugged about turn 5 is the conflagration.
if you have low tolerance for casuals your in the wrong game.


here is something you can do: seeing as how you have leveled a grand total of *one* class to fifty, start leveling more classes. run dungeons with them. do something stupid (like run easy primals with starting clothes)

it's an mmo. there is quite a bit you can do.

And your theory makes complete sense. However not all of these ppl are offering constructive criticism. It is just criticism
Want a challenge take a group of casual players who have not done titan hm and teach see if you can win. Without gil attachment . That would be challenging.
Btw im a casual player who enjoys this game. I wont buy my way to end game ill enjoy making mistakes. It is fun to learn. Dont need to blow up game in a week and yes i will enjoy endgame as well bugs mistakes fails wins good groups bad groups etc ... it is a game made to be fun played to be fun.

Hello,

To answer your question, we must first ask, who ARE the people making the complaints? Well, they fall into a few categories..

1. "I'm not happy because of ____"
These threads usually have a valid point but mostly people shush and shame them if the idea to add/change something is unpopular.

2. "This games too easy"
These threads are started by a few diff kind of folks and to name them all is time wasted, most these folks are asking devs to design the game around 10% of the pop and that's not gonna happen.

3. "I'm not continuing my sub because.."
These threads are usually someone complaining about various things and only 25% of the time do they actually quit..

There are a lot more, thing is these people exist in EVERY MMO, there will ALWAYS be complaints, there will never be a perfect game.

So the complaints will continue, some valid, some not..its the way of things.

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Originally Posted by Zormikal

Just curious why do you who are so much better than everyone else still play this game? There are some that you can find in nearly every thread with a negative opinion about anything from turn 5 being bugged to casuals being under geared ( cause your not willing to put fourth the effort 8-12 hrs a day effort ) game is to easy end game is not suppose to be for everyone on and on and on.
So why do you play?
I can do this in 40 mins so I have RL time ( to spend in forums posting how great I am or how bad everyone else is) So why do you play?
I come to forums for advice or tell of something fun . Understand you can post whatever here but when all you do is complain and bash something you have to have a reason why do you still play?

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I play in hope of finding a DF group that doesn't have people who just got lvl 50 and are still wearing their lvl 20 jewellery .

Dark Souls 2 isn't out yet.

Because I am a lonely, lonely man with no friends in real life and a grim future, so I play pretend on a video game and act like people like me. (They don't)

I can tell you. Because there is still a lot to do :-) And its the first mmo after FF11 that pleases me in any way.

Dark Souls 2 and ESO haven't come out yet

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Dark Souls 2 and ESO haven't come out yet

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this is why i stil play

havn't finished yet..

I guess I'll take a stab at this and try to explain some positions that I hold succinctly on the reason I (currently) continue to play.


SOOOO.... Apparently these forums suck for trying to debate a point... 1000 characters really? Fine condensed into super short points...

1) Difficulty - Brayflox, Titan, & Garuda were interested and had me excited about endgame encounters, but they dropped the ball.

2) Community - Overall most the community at release of this game was good and while people have started dropping off overall it's still not bad.

3) Gameplay - More tactical feeling due to GCD & animation locking. THIS IS NOT A BAD THING.

4) People - Really the only reason I'm still around is the people I've met here.

I continue to play because I believe the game will get better over time, so while it is not optimal at the moment, I'll keep playing to get more ilvl90 gear so I can be ready for new content whenever that hits.

Well i suppose the game has a future with stuff they have planned it depends how quick they can get content out to build on the foundation they have. Endgame still needs work which feels like always the case with an MMO when it gets released. The main problem is a lot of developers are slow to build content to keep people interested once they are done with the main story.


Right now i play just because i still have a sub so i'll get my monies worth. Still have coils to do so i'll find a group for that and in between that i just end up doing random dungeons for the fun of it and farming tomes for my +1 Relic.

With all that said I'll list some reasons why I (and people with similar mindset) and even people closer to the 'casual' end of the spectrum won't continue to play if things don't change.

Things to do:

1) You can say it all day long, but honestly most people won't level all classes and gear them and even if they do I can level and gear a class in 3 days most of the time.

2) Raiding... Well let's see most 'hardcore' people would spend 12-14 hours on per week and we have less than 7 hours worth of content right now (that's if you are doing turn 5 for 6 of those hours....)

3) Grinding Philo tomes? Why? Well this goes back to point 1 and thats the only reason.

4) Leveling up Chocobo? Yea.... not interested in a combat pet that really has no point other than to farm with.

5) Anything else I'm missing?

Overall I probably as well as all 50 of my FC members probably won't be subscribing outside of this month. It's a drop in the bucket but honestly I'm sure I'm not alone. And with 2.1 bringing very little of a reason to stick around I probably won't subscribe again unless PvP is AMAZING. Because, honestly that would be the only reason 2.1 looks interesting. Taking a step back in level of difficulty is a horrible oversight.

To be better than Halcyon Cam.

I love coils, I think all 5 turns are a lot of fun, and I'm really enjoying my FC's progression in 5.

I think Titan is a wonderful fight and I have never been so excited to clear a fight in any MMO after our progression (turn 5 may trump, but probalby only if sword drops and goes to me on first kill)

I have all battle 50s from 1.0, I have three full dl, my pld is half way to full i90, I play way too much, I think i count as a member of the "elitest hard cores that hate pugs." I do, kind of. If I shout "I want to do this as a speedrun" and you answer saying "yeah i'm good for this" in your level 30 accessories, that's just a lie. You have decieved me. If I join duty finder, that's one thing, I knew I would almost always out gear the others and be carrying, but I accepted that by joining DF.

I spend too much time on these forums, I read a lot of the posts, and I do agree there is too much vitrol in the "geared/xcores vs. casuals." I think most of this is when either group feels like their space is invaded by the other. If a "hardcore" is trying to build speed run or titan or coil groups, and they say as much, it is perfectly fair for them to expect their team mates to have a similar level of investment. If a "casual" joins duty finder, or builds an explictly non-speed run group, and a "xcore" joins and starts demanding speed runs/gear, its perfectly reasonable for the "casual" to get angry. Just because you think you are in of those two groups, or some where in between, doesn't mean you have the right to expect the entire game to be built for you.

I am against a Titan nerf, I am against a coil nerf. having been part of the effort to build a FC and do progression, I agree with the assesments of many otehrs that these fights are well tuned and perfectly fair.

I would be okay with a "easier titan" that awarded ilv70 versions of relics for casuals so they can have the pretty visual. (This would be an entirely separate mode, say "Adventure-Titan," and would NOT remove the current hard mode from teh game. Also, this i70 CANNOT be upgraded straight to the i90, one must pass through the i80 fight.

What do I do in game?

Well, turns 1-4, now that we are trhough them, only take us about 2 hours (not the fastest of the leetest, but still pretty hasty), which happens on monday night and often leaves me sad face as I come to realize there is no chance (or at least, very little in turn 5) of vertical growth on my paladin :<

But I really enjoy scholar and blackmage as well, so there is plenty of pre-coils content to do to gear and play those classes. Currently I'm working on making and melding vanya for my sch to be totally over powered with that 30%ish crit rate.

I haven't finished levelign crafts, never gotten into gathering, so plenty left in that direction. There is near endless horizontal growth room.

I'm not as pesimistic about 2.1 as many others. I expect CT to be hard for reasons other than numbers. Rather than it being the sorts of gear checks that say turn 4 and 5 are, I expect/hope it will requrie coordination on a much large scale.

Sure, with any luck, my pld will be full/very nearly full i90 by the time CT hits, but that means all that pretty crystal themed i80 gear can go to my second love SCH.

But, really. All of this is to be better than Halcyon Cam. Because nothing makes me happier than lording over my friend. I have a 600 hp lead on him atm :>

I play to be better than Halcyon Cam. Anything he can do, I CAN DO WAY BETTER AND LOOK BETTER DOING IT CUS RAWR

I must be doing something wrong if "casuals" can not only level, but gear a class in 3 days. How are these casuals you speak of getting 3 weeks worth of myth tomes in 3 days? How are these casuals leveling to 50 in 3 days? I mean getting to 50 in 3 days is certainly possible, but not in a couple hours a day, unless again, I'm doing something very wrong.

Is because I enjoy the sense of community, the accomplishments, and the Personal Achievements/Goals I've set for myself.

The game is a great way to meet new and interesting people, and hopefully make some friends!

On a different note, it can also teach you a lot of RL lessons, and I kinda enjoy that as well.

But yeah, its you people that keep this game interesting to me :)

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Originally Posted by IamBenpi

I must be doing something wrong if "casuals" can not only level, but gear a class in 3 days. How are these casuals you speak of getting 3 weeks worth of myth tomes in 3 days? How are these casuals leveling to 50 in 3 days? I mean getting to 50 in 3 days is certainly possible, but not in a couple hours a day, unless again, I'm doing something very wrong.

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People have a skewed view of the term "casual" is why. If you play four hours a day, that's not casual. For five days that's twenty hours, a part time job. And usually, they play even more on weekends. "I play a lot so I get a lot done" is news to precisely nobody but that doesn't stir up in the forum, does it? :)

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ere are some that you can find in nearly every thread with a negative opinion about anything

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People who like the game don't bother telling everyone about it, and just play the game. The minority that think the entire game is broken need to tell everyone about it.

I play because I'm having fun. I'm not sure there's another answer that matters. :)

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Originally Posted by Bridgeburner

I play because I'm having fun. I'm not sure there's another answer that matters. :)

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No, you need to justify yourself to OP, otherwise you're not allowed to enjoy the game

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Originally Posted by Senzura

No, you need to justify yourself to OP, otherwise you're not allowed to enjoy the game

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Justify? OP? Lol ok why would you have to justify a question.
You either respond or not.
From what ive seen so far from most people play to have fun friends game experience which is great and why i play .
, Havent seen 1 post from those. I was hoping to see post. But if majority is happy this is good .
Thank you all for your response .

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Originally Posted by IamBenpi

I must be doing something wrong if "casuals" can not only level, but gear a class in 3 days. How are these casuals you speak of getting 3 weeks worth of myth tomes in 3 days? How are these casuals leveling to 50 in 3 days? I mean getting to 50 in 3 days is certainly possible, but not in a couple hours a day, unless again, I'm doing something very wrong.

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No I think you misunderstood my statement. I'm saying that *I* can do that. That I can gear up a character in full DL in 3 days. With sub-10 min runs of WP that equates to 500-600 tomes an hour, and makes it easily possible to gear the character in 2 days (about 12 hours total). Casual to me is 4 hours a day 2-3 days a week which if you can't put this time in then honestly you aren't going to be able to raid and we shouldn't even be looking at raid content for you. This is where lower commitment content like dungeons and other pick up and go content is for. I'm not saying casuals shouldn't have content developed for them but raid content shouldn't have to take people that can't commit enough time to do it into consideration. I think the 'overton window' so to speak has been moved in the battle of casual vs hardcore. It used to be that there wasn't a battle because hardcores didn't care about casuals because both groups were more divided in their pursuits of gaming enjoyment, but now companies try to develop raid content for casuals as well as raiders while maintaining lower time constrained content easy and accessible somewhat alienating the hardcores. Blizzard for example released dungeon level content alongside of the next tier of raid content. But, the problem with 2.1 in particular and also subsequent patches (as this isnt the only patch for crystal tower) is that we will be getting a step back in content and then a forward move then a step back then a forward move. If they released them side by side there would be much less to complain about simply because the hardcore crowd would have something to do and then people would be able to gear up for coil in CT making the earlier terms easier.

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Originally Posted by Zormikal

Justify? OP? Lol ok why would you have to justify a question.
You either respond or not.
From what ive seen so far from most people play to have fun friends game experience which is great and why i play .
, Havent seen 1 post from those. I was hoping to see post. But if majority is happy this is good .
Thank you all for your response .

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This post was barely english

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YEAH! YOU TELL HER! People with a life and responsibilities shouldn't be able to experience the same game as those who can play the game all day!

People should learn to write in paragraphs. It makes your posts so much easier to read. Do 3 or 4 lines and then a break, WoT is painful.

There are alot of reasons why I play this game and keep on playing it.

One of them is that I have been looking for a new MMORPG for a while that I can enjoy and be one of the first playing it and to really really experience all end game content waves and not just the recent.

Another one is that I know this is an MMO!J!RPG which leaves me with some hope about it being difficult in difference to most western MMOs out there on the market (Pandaland WoW, I am looking at you). I am also confident that the audicence for JRPGs are way more mature than the WRPG market, knowing alot of those players are CoD babies who have not gamed before mid 2000s when the game industry became severly casualized.

This i do hope will lead to a community that asks for hard end game content and developers delivering just that for a skilltesting endgame that forges a community that stays afloat upon the dozens of failures and the sweet taste of success afterward that that kind of challenging content offers.

Also the fact that it is very heavy story focused is something I have missed in MMOs. This makes me feel more epiq than just being a one in a dozen adventurer. I like the flavor in that over just being one man/woman in an army.

I do also like that there is no need to make alts. That is really good as I want to play as my character no matter what. That I can play all classes on that character is a big big plus that I have the possibility to do so and it greatly enhances the time I play.

I also like the crafting/gathering system that makes you actually do something. The crafting is really addictive and the logs makes it go pretty fast and keep it feeling fun and fresh.

The instances in this game are many and fun. Yes, there could be more 50 content, but hey. Just because we are 50 doesn't mean we can not redo old dungeons. This is due to that we get level synced down and that we can play all classes on the same character. Some of the content is really challenging aswell which as I have said before is a very very good thing.

All in all, this is a game I have alot of hope for and I enjoy being part of the first wave of players that gets to enjoy all the end game at it's hardest.

And ofcourse, the community is king :D Head and shoulder above most MMOs I have played.

Mostly because my friends from other MMOs are playing this game.

For myself, I'm getting tired of the AOEs that hit me even when I am well out of the box, the mess that is gear and inventory management, the high likelihood that an hour long queue for a duty finder lvl 50 dungeon will be a failure due to inability to kill either the demon wall or the tonberry king or other people dropping and not getting replaced.

This game is easy. You can literally get relic soon as you ding 50 in white gear if you know what you are doing.

Whoever points at gear and whines like a baby, probably is the baby wanting to be carried by people who overgear instances. Ignore them, simple as that.

Now if you're in white gear, dying every boss pull, because you don't know the mechanics, that's on you.

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Originally Posted by Zormikal

So why do you play?

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I like the game. I liked the main story scenario, I liked the class quests and I liked the FATES.

The dungeons could of been better, there could of been open world caves and dungeons ((crawler's nest style)) to add more depth to those of us who enjoy taking an afternoon to engage in spelunking. The beastmen strongholds could of been more elaborate and zones unto themselves but for what they are used for, I cannot complain too much.

Endgame content never interested me all that much, so I cannot give an opinion.

I play because i have a good time and escape the stress of the day. I only play a couple hours a day so have plenty to do. It reminds me of the old FF, but has the social interaction of an MMO

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Mostly because my friends from other MMOs are playing this game.

For myself, I'm getting tired of the AOEs that hit me even when I am well out of the box, the mess that is gear and inventory management, the high likelihood that an hour long queue for a duty finder lvl 50 dungeon will be a failure due to inability to kill either the demon wall or the tonberry king or other people dropping and not getting replaced.

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Yeah played around on my lvl 32 healer , got Dungeon after 30 mins . Tank was in terrible gear , couldn't hold agro wiped 5x on first boss and everyone left . 1 hr wasted .