Summoner Info and Tips!

Thought some fellow Summoners would enjoy this read! Enjoy!

http://sublation.tk/rikos-summoner-compendium/

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Originally Posted by faceroll

Seems to be wrongish
If you want your pet to use something else like contagion or curl you have to press obey again.
Not saying its technically wrong because if you don't specifically tell it to use it, yeah, it will only spam its first attack.
But that just seems silly not to use a pets stuns or I guess more specifically contagion.

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you only want garuda to spam the first attack, other attacks are weak for single target.

you manually use contagion to make sure that you have all 4 dots (sometimes 5) up on the target before casting contagion, because what's the use of it if garuda just spams contagion and it will sometimes cast it when there are little to no dots?

cant tell you how many times I started a fight and had garuda use contagion without a single dot on a enemy.
in short obey is your friend when using garuda

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Originally Posted by glim

you only want garuda to spam the first attack, other attacks are weak for single target.

you manually use contagion to make sure that you have all 4 dots (sometimes 5) up on the target before casting contagion, because what's the use of it if garuda just spams contagion and it will sometimes cast it when there are little to no dots?

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Correct, you want your summon to only use its main attack until YOU want it to use one of its other abilities. with the prime example of what u said with contagion :)

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Originally Posted by faceroll

Seems to be wrongish
If you want your pet to use something else like contagion or curl you have to press obey again.
Not saying its technically wrong because if you don't specifically tell it to use it, yeah, it will only spam its first attack.
But that just seems silly not to use a pets stuns or I guess more specifically contagion.

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This is wrong, once Obey is pressed, it stays on Obey even after you use a move like Contagion.

on the link, the "super summoner opener"

he's telling you to swiftcast ifrit after contagion to get a higher damage enkindle and recast garuda again after swift cast is off cooldown, you are spending 1000 mana for an extra 300 damage, actually, it won't even be a damage increase, because during that 1 minute of waiting for swift cast, garuda would have already outdpsed ifrit by garuda's autoattacks by more than 300 damage. you're really just wasting 1000 mana and swiftcast cooldowns.

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Raging Strike, apply DoTs then Contagion.
Once Contagion lands, Swiftcast Ifrit out.
Command him to OBEY and grant him Rouse and Spur.
Once he has both buffs, Enkindle the boss.
Once both Rouse and Spur fall off of Ifrit, wait for Swiftcast and summon Garuda once again!

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also on the link, the guide tells you to bio2 , miasma , thunder, then bio, this is bad and especially for the opener, you want to bio first before you thunder, so you can fester earlier, if you thunder first, you would have little to no chance for your next fester to cast it with raging strikes up.

edit: correct opener would be, bio2 >miasma>bio (fester during bio recast time)>thunder

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Always start with Bio II, since it is the longest lasting DoT and ending with Bio since it is instant cast!

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Originally Posted by glim

on the link, the "super summoner opener"

he's telling you to swiftcast ifrit after contagion to get a higher damage enkindle and recast garuda again after swift cast is off cooldown, you are spending 1000 mana for an extra 300 damage, actually, it won't even be a damage increase, because during that 1 minute of waiting for swift cast, garuda would have already outdpsed ifrit by garuda's autoattacks by more than 300 damage. you're really just wasting 1000 mana and swiftcast cooldowns.

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I agree with you completely.

For an extra 300-ish damage at such a high cost, the opener can be sometimes taxing and not worth it. I tend to do it in dungeons for the fun of it mainly, I could not see this being as effective in Coil. You may need the swiftcast for a rez or something later on!

But either way, being all fancy and flashy on a dungeon boss can be fun. :D

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Originally Posted by glim

also on the link, the guide tells you to bio2 , miasma 2, thunder, then bio, this is bad and especially for the opener, you want to bio first before you thunder, so you can fester earlier, if you thunder first, you would have little to no chance for your next fester to cast it with raging strikes up.

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True true. Getting a second Fester into an opener would be much better than applying Thunder a few seconds a tiny bit earlier. Nice catch!

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Originally Posted by Deepsixeden

I agree with you completely.

For an extra 300-ish damage at such a high cost, the opener can be sometimes taxing and not worth it. I tend to do it in dungeons for the fun of it mainly, I could not see this being as effective in Coil. You may need the swiftcast for a rez or something later on!

But either way, being all fancy and flashy on a dungeon boss can be fun. :D

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oh, you're the author! saw your name riko tachibana (loljapav)

but glad you're taking criticisms well, I guess for 'fanciness' sake, pet switching might look cool, but even if it's not mana wise, I think it's still diminishing your dps because garuda does higher single target damage than ifrit and ifrit will be up for 1 minute during the time you're waiting for swiftcast cd.

edit: not to mention, you'll be spending 2 gcds, which equates to two ruins.

One thing I found is your guide was hard to read as things were split up into long paragraphs instead of lists and rotation info.

Its much harder to read "Cast all the Summoner specific DoTs onto that mob as long is it is not about to die, and BANE the DoTs to the surrounding enemies!"

than "For AoE, do this:"

[Bio II] > [Miasma] > [Bio | Contagion | Swiftcast] > [Shadowflare | Bane] (if contagion applied) > [Miasma II | Bane]

Then Thunder tab target for high HP mobs < 8 targets, Tri-Disaster otherwise.

A bit too many exclamation points for my tastes =)

Don't get the point of so many Banes. The 15% chance to reset the DoTs isn't worth burning stacks. Better to use Fester instead of bane. Besides it's not a bad idea to go to the second target do Swiftcast ->Shadowflare -> Bio II -> Miasma -> Thunder -> Bio -> Contagion -> Bane, then switch to the main target and thunder then fester it before going to the third target and thundering it along with a refresh of Bio. At that point I find the second target is mostly dead and I just burn it down and then reapply the DoTs on the third target if needed then Bane if able or just go to the other targets and manually apply the dots. That 15% chance on Bane just isn't worth the stack it costs.

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Originally Posted by GameGeeks

Don't get the point of so many Banes. The 15% chance to reset the DoTs isn't worth burning stacks. Better to use Fester instead of bane. Besides it's not a bad idea to go to the second target do Swiftcast ->Shadowflare -> Bio II -> Miasma -> Thunder -> Bio -> Contagion -> Bane, then switch to the main target and thunder then fester it before going to the third target and thundering it along with a refresh of Bio. At that point I find the second target is mostly dead and I just burn it down and then reapply the DoTs on the third target if needed then Bane if able or just go to the other targets and manually apply the dots. That 15% chance on Bane just isn't worth the stack it costs.

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I don't think anyone here said use bane to reset the dots.

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Originally Posted by GameGeeks

Don't get the point of so many Banes.

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The first bane is only if garuda actually decided to obey you and contagion right away.

If she didn't contagion yet, you then go into miasma II then bane if (hopefully) she's contagioned already.

If she still hasn't contagion, curse her out for a bit and spam contagion button until she finally does it, then bane.

Besides, the rotation above couldn't work if you bane'd more than once, as bane has a 10 second cd.

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Originally Posted by Karnage720

This is wrong, once Obey is pressed, it stays on Obey even after you use a move like Contagion.

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Is this new? <_<

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Originally Posted by faceroll

Is this new? <_<

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As long as you command your summon to Obey at least once in its life time, it will never use any other skill besides its first basic attack until you command it to do so!

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

One thing I found is your guide was hard to read as things were split up into long paragraphs instead of lists and rotation info.

Its much harder to read "Cast all the Summoner specific DoTs onto that mob as long is it is not about to die, and BANE the DoTs to the surrounding enemies!"

than "For AoE, do this:"

[Bio II] > [Miasma] > [Bio | Contagion | Swiftcast] > [Shadowflare | Bane] (if contagion applied) > [Miasma II | Bane]

Then Thunder tab target for high HP mobs < 8 targets, Tri-Disaster otherwise.

A bit too many exclamation points for my tastes =)

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Yes, im sorry about the layout. I tend to write guides and such in a conversational manner. makes it seem less serious and more casually talking to someone about a class. but thats just me!

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Originally Posted by Deepsixeden

As long as you command your summon to Obey at least once in its life time, it will never use any other skill besides its first basic attack until you command it to do so!

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Well, I know that i just meant like
Whenever I used contagion it would reset the obey command and start using other things
I could have just been misclicking or whatever but I could have sworn you would have to click obey again after each contagion
But I guess I was wrong :S

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

The first bane is only if garuda actually decided to obey you and contagion right away.

If she didn't contagion yet, you then go into miasma II then bane if (hopefully) she's contagioned already.

If she still hasn't contagion, curse her out for a bit and spam contagion button until she finally does it, then bane.

Besides, the rotation above couldn't work if you bane'd more than once, as bane has a 10 second cd.

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Yeah, never had an issue with her not using it in a few seconds after clicking Contagion. Still find it a waste given that scenario. I'd rather take the time to quickly recast everything then waste that fester. Just not one to gamble on a 15% chance.

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Originally Posted by Deepsixeden

As long as you command your summon to Obey at least once in its life time, it will never use any other skill besides its first basic attack until you command it to do so!

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Lets make this clearer. Clicking obey by its self won't keep it in obey.
Only when combining targeting a mob plus clicking obey will the egi stay in obey"stance". Until death/resummon/zoneing.
Just make sure tank is tanking since obey orders an attack.

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Originally Posted by Deepsixeden

As long as you command your summon to Obey at least once in its life time, it will never use any other skill besides its first basic attack until you command it to do so!

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Not true. Once you manually use an ability (like contagion) it will revert to Sic and use other cd's. If you don't believe me go to the 3:34 point in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unSf1Dmf0vM

At 3:34 if you watch Garuda in the party list on the left you will see him start using Aerial Slash despite me never having clicked anything other than Obey or Contagion (I had forgotten to spam obey again after the last contagion). Proof that you and everyone else spreading this kind of false info is wrong.

I really hate how people keep saying false info like this, especially when one of them makes a thread on summoner tips & tricks and is wrong about a key thing.

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Originally Posted by GameGeeks

Yeah, never had an issue with her not using it in a few seconds after clicking Contagion. Still find it a waste given that scenario. I'd rather take the time to quickly recast everything then waste that fester. Just not one to gamble on a 15% chance.

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I don't think you understand what I wrote.

You only bane once, you CAN only bane once, there is literally no way to "waste" a bane unless you're somehow spamming it 10 seconds after your first bane.

I merely provide 2 spots in the rotation where it would make sense to bane, depending on when garuda decides to contagion.

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Originally Posted by xxalucard

Not true. Once you manually use an ability (like contagion) it will revert to Sic and use other cd's. If you don't believe me go to the 3:34 point in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unSf1Dmf0vM

At 3:34 if you watch Garuda in the party list on the left you will see him start using Aerial Slash despite me never having clicked anything other than Obey or Contagion (I had forgotten to spam obey again after the last contagion). Proof that you and everyone else spreading this kind of false info is wrong.

I really hate how people keep saying false info like this, especially when one of them makes a thread on summoner tips & tricks and is wrong about a key thing.

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I have NEVER had an issue like the one you describe.

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Originally Posted by xxalucard

Not true. Once you manually use an ability (like contagion) it will revert to Sic and use other cd's. If you don't believe me go to the 3:34 point in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unSf1Dmf0vM

At 3:34 if you watch Garuda in the party list on the left you will see him start using Aerial Slash despite me never having clicked anything other than Obey or Contagion (I had forgotten to spam obey again after the last contagion). Proof that you and everyone else spreading this kind of false info is wrong.

I really hate how people keep saying false info like this, especially when one of them makes a thread on summoner tips & tricks and is wrong about a key thing.

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I never had this issue. Garuda always stays with obey with me after Contagion.

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Originally Posted by xxalucard

Not true. Once you manually use an ability (like contagion) it will revert to Sic and use other cd's. If you don't believe me go to the 3:34 point in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unSf1Dmf0vM

At 3:34 if you watch Garuda in the party list on the left you will see him start using Aerial Slash despite me never having clicked anything other than Obey or Contagion (I had forgotten to spam obey again after the last contagion). Proof that you and everyone else spreading this kind of false info is wrong.

I really hate how people keep saying false info like this, especially when one of them makes a thread on summoner tips & tricks and is wrong about a key thing.

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The only way Garuda will use Aerial Slash after you command her to Contagion, is if she was in Sic mode prior to Contagion. I've _never_ seen Garuda default back to Sic after a manual Contagion if she had been previously given the Obey order. The only time Obey will reset to Sic is AFAIK on a newly summoned Garuda or zoning into a new instance.

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Originally Posted by xxalucard

Not true. Once you manually use an ability (like contagion) it will revert to Sic and use other cd's. If you don't believe me go to the 3:34 point in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unSf1Dmf0vM

At 3:34 if you watch Garuda in the party list on the left you will see him start using Aerial Slash despite me never having clicked anything other than Obey or Contagion (I had forgotten to spam obey again after the last contagion). Proof that you and everyone else spreading this kind of false info is wrong.

I really hate how people keep saying false info like this, especially when one of them makes a thread on summoner tips & tricks and is wrong about a key thing.

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except... you're actually wrong, after watching your own video, your pet was NOT on obey, it was on "guard" the whole time, check the video again at 2 minutes, the pet did not attack prior to contagion.

seriously, this kind of stuff is really easy to test, just go out of mor dhona and look for a mob or something, press OBEY, then contagion, then tell me if your pet still casts aerial slash.


edit: amfg, I've been cringing the whole time cause I couldn't reply on this post and people missed that the garuda in the video was on "guard" instead of obey (cause there's a daily post limit)

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Originally Posted by xxalucard

Not true. Once you manually use an ability (like contagion) it will revert to Sic and use other cd's. If you don't believe me go to the 3:34 point in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unSf1Dmf0vM

At 3:34 if you watch Garuda in the party list on the left you will see him start using Aerial Slash despite me never having clicked anything other than Obey or Contagion (I had forgotten to spam obey again after the last contagion). Proof that you and everyone else spreading this kind of false info is wrong.

I really hate how people keep saying false info like this, especially when one of them makes a thread on summoner tips & tricks and is wrong about a key thing.

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How are you in coil and not know how Obey works? No, it doesn't revert back to Sic after Congtagion unless she was already in Sic mode before you casted it.

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Originally Posted by glim

except... you're actually wrong, after watching your own video, your pet was NOT on obey, it was on "guard" the whole time, check the video again at 2 minutes, the pet did not attack prior to contagion.

seriously, this kind of stuff is really easy to test, just go out of mor dhona and look for a mob or something, press OBEY, then contagion, then tell me if your pet still casts aerial slash.

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Uh no? She's on steady before the fight starts (when I cast my DoTs she doesn't do anything), but I guess it's hard to see that I weave obey in very fast when spamming bio / etc after I notice the first aerial slash.

Also when re-watching the video I notice that for a pet on "guard" as you say it seems pretty convenient she never uses Contagion even once without me telling her (b/c I'm weaving in obey at certain points when I remember to), but uses Aerial Slash almost instantly after contagion each time (most likely would have used it quickly after 2nd contagion if it wasn't still on cd).

But, if you want to believe you're right so much that you won't spam Obey just to make sure she stays on obey, then that's you. I don't mind weaving in a button to make sure.

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How are you in coil and not know how Obey works?

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may i see your coil video from your summoner's perspective?

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Originally Posted by xxalucard

Uh no? She's on steady before the fight starts (when I cast my DoTs she doesn't do anything), but I guess it's hard to see that I weave obey in very fast when spamming bio / etc after I notice the first aerial slash.

Also when re-watching the video I notice that for a pet on "guard" as you say it seems pretty convenient she never uses Contagion even once without me telling her (b/c I'm weaving in obey at certain points when I remember to), but uses Aerial Slash almost instantly after contagion each time (most likely would have used it quickly after 2nd contagion if it wasn't still on cd).

But, if you want to believe you're right so much that you won't spam Obey just to make sure she stays on obey, then that's you. I don't mind weaving in a button to make sure.

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YEAH, that's what I meant actually, "steady" not "guard" it was a typo.


and not once in that video I've seen obey pressed.

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Originally Posted by xxalucard

Not true. Once you manually use an ability (like contagion) it will revert to Sic and use other cd's. If you don't believe me go to the 3:34 point in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unSf1Dmf0vM

At 3:34 if you watch Garuda in the party list on the left you will see him start using Aerial Slash despite me never having clicked anything other than Obey or Contagion (I had forgotten to spam obey again after the last contagion). Proof that you and everyone else spreading this kind of false info is wrong.

I really hate how people keep saying false info like this, especially when one of them makes a thread on summoner tips & tricks and is wrong about a key thing.

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Maybe this is a ps3 glitch as I have never had this issue.

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Originally Posted by Haterade

Maybe this is a ps3 glitch as I have never had this issue.

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I don't think he had his pet on obey, it was on "steady" prior to pressing contagion (if you watch the video, the pet never attacked a single time at the start of the fight)

I watched the video closely and not once the "obey" was pressed (correct me if I'm wrong here, and point it out if in the video if it was pressed)

edit: look, he finally pressed obey at 5:21, and not once the pet was randomly casting it's spells again.

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Originally Posted by glim

I don't think he had his pet on obey, it was on "steady" prior to pressing contagion (if you watch the video, the pet never attacked a single time at the start of the fight)

I watched the video closely and not once the "obey" was pressed (correct me if I'm wrong here, and point it out if in the video if it was pressed)

edit: look, he finally pressed obey at 5:21, and not once the pet was randomly casting it's spells again.

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Yea, he's wrong. I have NEVER had that issue...ever

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Originally Posted by xxalucard

Uh no? She's on steady before the fight starts (when I cast my DoTs she doesn't do anything), but I guess it's hard to see that I weave obey in very fast when spamming bio / etc after I notice the first aerial slash.

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First, why is she on steady and why are you not using Obey on pull?

Second, she doesn't do anything(steady), you use Contagion, she defaults to Sic. Sic is the default.

That's why Aerial Slash came out.



I have NEVER had this problem.

EVER.


It's all player error.

Also, let's not confuse Guard/Standby with Sic/Obey. Just because a pet is on Guard, does not mean they are on Sic.

Can be...

Guard/Sic = Will attack a target you attack or a target that attacks you, and will use all abilities
Guard/Obey = Will attack a target you attack or a target that attacks you, but will only use the basic attack
Standby/Sic = Will not attack a target you attack and will not attack a target that attacks you
Standby/Obey = Will not attack a target you attack and will not attack a target that attacks you

So even while in the video the pet is on Guard, it does not necessarily imply them being on Sic or Obey. In fact, there is no visual indication anywhere which mode they are in, except whether or not they use non-default abilities (Aerial Slash, Contagion) on their own.

If a pet ever uses Aerial Slash on their own, they had not previously been given the Obey order, or at least not since last summoned / instance started / were put on Sic.

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Originally Posted by xxalucard

Not true. Once you manually use an ability (like contagion) it will revert to Sic and use other cd's. If you don't believe me go to the 3:34 point in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unSf1Dmf0vM

At 3:34 if you watch Garuda in the party list on the left you will see him start using Aerial Slash despite me never having clicked anything other than Obey or Contagion (I had forgotten to spam obey again after the last contagion). Proof that you and everyone else spreading this kind of false info is wrong.

I really hate how people keep saying false info like this, especially when one of them makes a thread on summoner tips & tricks and is wrong about a key thing.

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2:28 - scene cut to Caduceus fight
2:57 - Garuda told to Contagion
2:59 - first Wind Slash cast by Garuda
3:03 - first Aerial Slash cast by Garuda
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3:34 - second Aerial Slash cast by Garuda
etc.

So, in this video, we see a scene cut to the Caduceus fight. We don't see Obey issued a single time prior to the fight, nor do we see Garuda being summoned.

We do know, based on the fact that Garuda begins to attack only after Contagion is issued, that she was in Standby mode. This is why Garuda did not attack at all for the first 30 seconds of the fight. We do not know whether Garuda was in Sic or Obey mode, we have only to take your word on it. But, everyone can hopefully testify that asking Garuda to Contagion will not force her into Sic mode, if she had previously been in Obey mode.

So, there is no evidence in this video to show that Obey had been called prior to the Contagion, and the fact that Garuda is behaving in Sic mode after the Contagion, we have to assume that Garuda was in Standby/Sic mode before the Contagion. That is the only explanation.

So, you just forgot to issue Obey after you re-summoned Garuda before the cut to Caduceus at 2:27, and when you told Garuda to Contagion at 2:57, she entered Guard/Sic mode, and proceeded to cast Aerial Slash, etc.

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Originally Posted by T0rin

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yeah most probably this, resummoned and never re-casted obey.

I say most probably because the garuda egi died during ADS.