Primals Hard Questions

I have just reached Level 50 and I know my next quest is the quest in taking on Gaius and Ultima Weapon. I have the Standard Quest earned Level 50 Paladin gear as you can see on my character page. I want to aim to get Curtana and Holy Shield after that quest. I guess there are a few questions in this post.

1) Is my Level 50 Gear enough for me to do the Praetorium quest without being a shitty tank?

2) I already reviewed what is necessary for the Curtana and Holy Shield and to do any of the Primals quest would the Level 50 gear just make me a major set back? Is the only way to go about it is to HAVE the Darklight Gear?

I am sure obviously the Darklight will make it easier but it is just me wondering if I could attempt these quest or will I be outranked and just be scolded for even coming into the Quest with story Given Lv50 Paladin gear :confused:

My Character at this moment:

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/4469006/

1) Story quest can be done in all AF. Period. I had to solo tank both of them thanks to a jerk 'AFK'-ing both instances as WAR in full AF.

2) Ifrit is easily done in AF. As PLD, you will be reduced to stun bot anyway. You will want to start collecting DL for Garuda on though. You can also go through AK with AF, but I would recommend getting some DL or two for this as well.

1. You can go through Praetorium with your AF gear and market board bought accessories. You can also make do with a Cobalt Winglet and Kite Shield although dungeon drops or GC gear will probably be better.

2. Ifrit is pretty simple and Garuda is more of a skill check on players, but Titan is by far the first true gear check in the game. You have to have a certain amount of HP depending on your class and the Darklight gear is the best option to fill that void. I believe most people would prefer the tank to have at least 5000 health for Titan. Gear from WP and AK will get you by for a while, but you're definitely going to want some Darklight stuff for Titan. Coil is the next logical step after Titan and you currently can't even compete in there without full Darklight due to a complete tier of gear missing from Crystal Tower, as Titan > CT > Coil is how the game was really supposed to progress.

So to answer your question, yes, you will be booted out of a local group if you're still wearing your AF gear and make it to Titan. Don't expect people in the DF to have any patience with you either. You could be the best tank in the world, but there's a minimum requirement for the fight to be successful and what you beat the main story with just won't cut it.

I am super noobish to the FF14 lingo :[ I can guess what is happening here

AF- Artifact Armor
DL - Darklight
WP - Wanderers Palace
AK - A???? Keep
DF - ??????

Thanks though, The reason I asked is because honestly I tried Wanderers Palace with my current gear and we got all the way to the last Tonberry Boss but my HP wasn't high enough to withstand 3 Stacked [Everyone's Grudge] my party was way more than helpful and they let me know that unfortunately we won't be able to finish the quest because they knew my HP wasn't high enough to tank at my most effectiveness so ever since then I have been trying to make sure I know what to do and I really am trying to make sure I don't end up repeating the experience because even though they were hella nice and super helpful I felt so bad to be of a major let down.

DF just refers to Duty Finder.

Also, yeah, Praetorium was specifically designed to be more than doable in AF gear since most of the higher gear is easier to get after unlocking more endgame content.

Things you can do:
1. Get 10000 seals and reset your stats and go all Vit. By my extremely nerdy calculations you've got about 5 points in Vit? All Vit all the time!
2. Hit up market board and get:
Amber Ring x2 (HQ depending on price)
Amber Earring (HQ depending on price)
Amber Bracelet (HQ depending on price)
Militia Choker (HQ depending on price)
3. If you have a good bit of cash, get a HQ Aoelian Scimitar(sp?). You will eventually need to turn this in for the relic quest, so I bought it day 1 of 50 and used it till I got my GC promotions, bought the GC weapon and turned int the scimitar. Look up the name, I'm pretty sure that's not the correct name.

These few things will kick you up to 4300-4450 hp, which is enough for both dungeons, Ifrit, and probably Garuda(though you'll need to cycle cooldowns well during red line add).

From there, running AK will yield you shots at iLvl 60 armor and accessories, so I'd run that until you have enough drops to fill out your other slots with DL, then run WP for faster tome farm.

For HM titan, as a tank you have three options:
1. Buy a run
2. Start your own run, in which case you will want at least 5200 hp unbuffed but probably closer to full Darklight
3. Get incredibly lucky in Duty Finder

Thank you millions on some suggested accessories!!

I see... But really all VIT? I totally understand that is the Tanks role but I feel like some STR wouldn't hurt :/ being so weak on my own sucks!! I already have about a good number Seals saved up so I guess I might be doing what you said very soon, it definitely is my fault not enough points in VIT.

When you say buy a run what does that mean?

As a tank you do not need to deal a heck load of damage on your own. The tank is the shield of the team that blocks the incoming attacks on the team while the DPS is the sword that kills it. The healer is the repair team that makes sure all the armor is whole and do not break all of a sudden.

You should always focus on playing your role as good as possibl as the party content will be harder than the solo content by far and for solo content you always have the chokobo helper.

Yeah all VIT. You've already experienced the hard way what happens when you don't, if you had those 25 points in VIT you'd have been over 4k hp in WP and would have been able to easily take the 3 stack hits. Even after hitting the minimum numbers the more HP you have the more room your healers have to work with which makes you an easier heal.

Mitigation >> HP >> Avoidance >> DPS

Mitigation = DEF/MDEF/Shield Oath
HP = VIT
Avoidance = Parry/Block Rate/Block Strength/STR/DEX
DPS = STR/Det/Crit

Groups of 4-7 folks that have HM Titan on farm will run you through the fight for 100-200k depending on your server.

Actually STR impacts shield block and parry damage mitigation. Once you start getting myth and coil gear your HP isn't going to be a huge issue. You still want mostly VIT but even a small amount of STR could push you up a tier in block/parry mitigation.

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Originally Posted by Lithera

Actually STR impacts shield block and parry damage mitigation. Once you start getting myth and coil gear your HP isn't going to be a huge issue. You still want mostly VIT but even a small amount of STR could push you up a tier in block/parry mitigation.

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I use the term "Mitigation" to mean guaranteed reduction and "Avoidance" to mean rng reduction in general. Increase to damage reduction % on an avoidance roll falls into avoidance as a result.

The tier system on str parry/block reduction increases(No gain at all except at certain values, about 30 points apart) kills any unplanned dumps into Str, though it's possible that someone at BiS could respec for a few str to hit the next tier. But you would need to respec every upgrade before that to not waste VIT, so when giving gearing advice to people it's rarely worth mentioning.

Regardless, Turn 5 Death Sentence hit's for at least 4800 w/o cooldowns, the more hp the better.

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Originally Posted by AurickSchiffer

Thanks though, The reason I asked is because honestly I tried Wanderers Palace with my current gear and we got all the way to the last Tonberry Boss but my HP wasn't high enough to withstand 3 Stacked [Everyone's Grudge] my party was way more than helpful and they let me know that unfortunately we won't be able to finish the quest because they knew my HP wasn't high enough to tank at my most effectiveness so ever since then I have been trying to make sure I know what to do and I really am trying to make sure I don't end up repeating the experience because even though they were hella nice and super helpful I felt so bad to be of a major let down.

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I've found that kiting the Tonberry King as a tank and focusing DPS on him until the big tonberries show up is the best way if you have a BLM/SMN with you. You can LB2 all the small tonberries and oneshot them after the Stalkers appear. This requires the tank to use Hallowed Ground to be able to eat the Grudge attack, but otherwise it's smooth sailing from there.

I should use Hallowed Ground when though? Because the Cooldown is ridiculous (425 seconds if I remember correctly) and I am not to familiar with the Tonberry fight to be honest

But I did as [CianaIezuborn] suggested!! My Hp went from 3365 and skyrockets to 4171!! I am soooo much weaker :[ but I guess that is what comes with the role. I am happier though to see that my HP was much higher now. I feel a little more at ease joining instances.

You should upgrade all your gear to level 50 as soon as possible. You'll get a solid 4.3k HP if you focus on vit.

One small advice, try to tell your group to wait on killing adds after 3 stacks. If you think you can't take it (like the damamge dealers accidentally killed 4), pop Hallowed Ground immediately, since it has a slow animation/effect time (like 1.5 seconds "cast" time). Save the rest of your defensive cooldowns for after Tonberry used Everybody's Grudge.

Just a heads up, you will need roughly 5k tomestones for your full darklight set. Meaning you need to run WP 50 times. It sounds alot and a bit scary, but as a tank, you get instant queue and you can play 10 runs of WP per day once you have done each runs effectively under 20-25 mins. That would give you a complete DL set by the end of the week!

The whole DL set will give you in the region of 5.2k - 5.4k HP. Then you aim for ifrit and garuda blade, before doing titan for your relic weapon.

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Originally Posted by Asdamine

Just a heads up, you will need roughly 5k tomestones for your full darklight set. Meaning you need to run WP 50 times. It sounds alot and a bit scary, but as a tank, you get instant queue and you can play 10 runs of WP per day once you have done each runs effectively under 20-25 mins. That would give you a complete DL set by the end of the week!

The whole DL set will give you in the region of 5.2k - 5.4k HP. Then you aim for ifrit and garuda blade, before doing titan for your relic weapon.

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Thanks! I have to look into this, I don't even have my Curtana yet :[ I assume I can do it if I really try and focus with a great party since hopefully my gear will hold up, if not I have to keep aiming to get better.

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You need to beat Titan to get your Curtana from the Relic Reborn quest. People say that you need 5.3~.4k to tank Titan, that is quite correct. Titan consists of 5 phasis. You don't really need to do much (and doesn't require "that" good gear) for the first four of the phase. However, it WILL BE a gear check for you at phase 5 when Titan uses a special technique called the Mountain Buster (commonly referred to as table flip, because of its animation look). This technique will take away 3.9-4.5k HP in one hit, damage amount dependent on your defensive stats and other factors. This particular attack(s) requires you to learn when the attack will come and saving your defensive cooldowns for that attack only.

Therefore, having a full Darklight is a (kinda) must. Buy yourself a La Nosean Toast (a food) to boost your HP (up to 15vit ~around 150hp). Plus the Shield from King Tonberry. All these will see you through Titan for your relic.

Here's the advice I give to all roles. First, get a full set of level 55 gear, the imperial/militia stuff. Fill out the remaining accessory slots with the level 49 accessories that match your role. Oh, and get it all HQ. Reason I recommend this gear is that you should be able to get it easily after hitting level 50 (Instead of running WP dozens of times for a drop), plus you can spiritbind it into materia when you upgrade it, often making your money back or even a profit.

Once you have your 55 gear, start your relic and get up to Ifrit. Do keep in mind you'll need a 55 crafted weapon for part of the quest, just snag a cheap NQ one for that. You should be able to do Chimera, AK, Hydra, and Ifrit in your 55 gear. This is the part where you need to get an upgrade. Run AK and Ifrit until most of your gear is ilevel 60, and you should be able to tackle Garuda. Now, Titan is really hard. You'll want most of your gear to be level 70 before taking him on, just keep farming those philosophy tomestones and farm Garuda. Then beat Titan, get your relic, and it's all about saving up those mythology tomestones and doing coil for your level 90 stuff :)

Greetings Angeal! Congrats on 50. I suspect the problems you faced in WP were related to wearing dps accessories. Tank accessories will have parry to mitigate damage. You will need to replace these so you're not taking the huge HP dips you've probably been seeing.

Otherwise you are geared for WP, and the other 8 man level 50 dungeons.

Your next step will be replacing your weapon. If you're lucky you can get the drop in WP or you can get the level i55 grand company weapon. In the very least you can purchase your pre-relic and use it to farm ifrit for your primal weapon. The drop can be frustrating but a primal weapon will be your single biggest upgrade and can be used until you complete your relic quest.

Once you've replaced your entire gear set once with a mix of DL, WP or militia gear, and have your primal weapon, you can comfortably farm AK and Garuda.

Tanking Titan can be done with ifrit weapon and the hoplight set from AK but getting full darklight helps absorb the amount of damage you'll be taking and make it much easier to find a group willing to try you out. Having healed Titan many times with various pug tanks I urge all tanks to save themselves the frustration of wiping over and over and get the full DL.

Lastly, focus on capping your mythology tomes each week. The time you take doing this now will help pay for the end game gear you are ultimately working toward.

Thanks for the Level 50 Congrats PetiteMalFleur :-]

This is all amazing advice, I look forward to doing all this soon, and hopefully I do it all correctly! I don't get to play much so sometimes I worry about these Myth/Psy Stones :[ I only get like 1 or 2 days a week to really play the game but I will do what I can when I can, you guys have been great and I am hoping to be a much better tank thanks to the help of you!

Personally I tanked Titan with full AK gear on pld and it went just fine(Used the crafted Kite shield and Garuda sword too), I did use food that boosted my vitality though. But, tanking titan is easy as all hell, it is the easiest role in that fight by far, you just stand in one place and take hits and use cooldowns before large hits that are perfectly predictable.

As for your bonus stats on paladin, yeah go all vit, there is no point in putting anything into the other stats, they won't be nearly as useful as vitality.

AK (Amdapor Keep), can be run no problem with AF, and should provide you with Hoplite gear wich will get you by np until you get your darklight gear. If you are concerned about your total HP pool the darklight accesories are pretty quick and easy to get(relatively low tomestone cost).