Tanks Blaming Healers

We go in to the instance, first thing, the tank runs off before i am even half way trough casting prot and SS on them, they start taking heavy damage which means i have to use my divine seal and spam heals on them even before i can put prot and SS on them, then they run to the next mob as i am trying to heal them up, and it hits them just as they get in range (even when i try to interrupt it, it still sometimes pop). YAY ME! insta-hate, Not only am i trying to now keep the tank alive, i am wasting time, trying to get the tank to grab the adds, cast SoS, and keep them and me alive. If we happen to wipe, the tank yells at me to learn my class, to wait til he has hate to heal him....Well yeah DUH, i didnt just start healing yesterday. Then by the second boss, the tank goes, 'oh shield oath might help' REALLY? ya think giving yourself a lil more protection might help eh.

/endrant

Idiot tank. Shouldve told him to L2P and left

-fuzz

Swiftcast, Protect.

I always wait for protect and SS. I'm a WAR, SS is like... super effective on me. not to mention, I heal myself/avoid damage fairly well. to the point where I was (jokingly) yelled at for making the healer bored.

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Originally Posted by kasuke06

I always wait for protect and SS. I'm a WAR, SS is like... super effective on me. not to mention, I heal myself/avoid damage fairly well. to the point where I was (jokingly) yelled at for making the healer bored.

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SS is exactly as effective on you as it is on a PLD. You get a bigger shield, but you also get hit harder. It absorbs the same amount of damage. Unless the PLD uses his cooldowns, in which case it is better on the PLD.

It absorbs more damage based on your total health Higher health=better use.

PLD takes the mildly less on a straight hit, yes. and I regen health while fighting. Paladins don't.

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Originally Posted by kasuke06

It absorbs more damage based on your total health Higher health=better use.

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True, but better mitigation means less needing to be absorbed. It is just as effective. Of course him not using shield oath is well, a problem.

insert all tanks in this thread saying how they'd do differently. Post this into the healer roles forums if you want to discuss this with fellow healers and rant about it amongst yourselves, or keep rants to yourself unless you're looking to comfort yourself somehow.

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Originally Posted by kasuke06

It absorbs more damage based on your total health Higher health=better use.

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No, your thinking is flawed because you are not considering cooldowns, as well as SO and blocking.
This means that a Paladin under the effect of Stoneskin, is going to have a better long term gain from stoneskin, even more so if they use Rampart, Hallowed ground, Sentinel, Bulwark, etc etc.

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Originally Posted by kasuke06

It absorbs more damage based on your total health Higher health=better use.

PLD takes the mildly less on a straight hit, yes. and I regen health while fighting. Paladins don't.

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Someone doesn't know what eHP is and everyone regens HP over time, WAR is nothing special.

@OP: Bad players playing badly? Nothing new here.

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Originally Posted by Seezur_Undies

We go in to the instance, first thing, the tank runs off before i am even half way trough casting prot and SS on them/endrant

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I wonder if it was my brother... Was he shouting "Hodor" while blindly running forward? :D

Gotta go fast.

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Originally Posted by Garnatian

Swiftcast, Protect.

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Yes, i didnt do that, i keep forgetting that the 5 seconds it takes to cast prot and SS is just too long to stand there...

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Originally Posted by symba

insert all tanks in this thread saying how they'd do differently. Post this into the healer roles forums if you want to discuss this with fellow healers and rant about it amongst yourselves, or keep rants to yourself unless you're looking to comfort yourself somehow.

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Not looking for "comfort" as you say, if a tank is going to kamikaze a run and wipes, its not my fault. I put this here because tanks need to know that there attitudes affect everyone. you want to finish WP in 9 minutes form a group, dont DF the damn thing

Next time, let them die.

Pros: They realize they did something stupid. If they get angry and leave, they get a 15m penalty while you get a chance for a tank who knows what they're doing.

Cons: None.

Playing on PLD, I've had to let a few people get whacked with adds before they listened to me about following markers or pulling mobs.

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Originally Posted by Seezur_Undies

I put this here because players need to know that their attitudes affect everyone. You want to finish WP in 9 minutes? Form a group. Dont DF the damn thing.

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Fixed that for you.

Some don't consider it, others don't care.

As a Tank happen the opposite to me, DPS simply rush every single mob they see, don't giving me the time to sign the mobs,start the fight and get aggro.
Personally lose my time trying to explain this situation to the others party member don't work,they start to insult me ecc;they understand only what they want,
so i simply leave the party and i search for a more competent one.

Communication is key. If they want to run off without SS/Prot., don't move and tell them you're not going anywhere until they come back for it.

Yes. Everyone has to work together. Don't initiate cutscenes when the off tank is taking stupid amounts of damage. Don't run and pull as the dps because you're trying to rush things. Don't lock the solo healer out of boss fights because their load time out of a cut scene was 15 seconds too slow (true story).

Yes, I've let tanks die because they were playing stupid and healing stupid is a waste of mana. I also let dps die for the same reasons.

Sometimes letting dps/healers know that being an off tank, is not possible with their class is very much necessary.
Sometimes letting tanks throw themselves into death because of stupid pulls, is also necessary. Sorry buddy, you just can't tank 10 mobs at a time with that gear. Not my fault that I can't heal that much damage quick enough.

Of course, attitudes also seem to follow some people, and for all those people..
http://static.coverupload.com/previe...F7s5PDt1w4.jpg

blaming healer if he can't heal me for 1hp lol

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Originally Posted by Ceol

If they get angry and leave, they get a 15m penalty while you get a chance for a tank who knows what they're doing.

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Except it's not the same as replacing a DPS - you can replace a DPS within seconds or even minutes, but you'll wait 30 minutes for a replacement tank...

Alright all you DF speedrun wannabes that are tanks,
take a minute to look at the dps in the party before trying to pull 8+ monsters at a time.

Seeing more retarded tanks lately trying to do this when the DPS arent geared well enough to aoe burn things down quickly, worse they are losing hate or not dodging red.

Just because the healer has a relic and the tank is well geared doesnt magically guarantee a 10min WP.
A smart tank in a DF party would build up to more aggressive pulls and not sprint off and pull 8+ things at the start

I'm seeing more noob tanks in Tonberry than in Malboro...maybe it's just my luck. Just yesterday a tank asked us to mark the mobs for him...at least he was appologetic when the party wipes 3 times in Sunken Temple's first boss.

I once ran half a dungeon and wiped the party because I didn't realize I had shield oath off. We all have our off days :\

But that running off without waiting for buffs was just dumb. I'm sorry you suffered that OP.

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Originally Posted by Sapphires

Just because the healer has a relic and the tank is well geared doesnt magically guarantee a 10min WP.
A smart tank in a DF party would build up to more aggressive pulls and not sprint off and pull 8+ things at the start

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I agree with this. When I DF AK I always start out slow as I don't know everyone capabilities. I make sure that I don't go too slow of course, but depending on how long it takes to burn the first group or two will normally determine how aggressive I can be with my pulls. As we go through the dungeon I'll either rev up or pull back depending on how much strain is on the party.

I also make it a habit to change the order of my party window by moving the healer up under my name so I can have situational awareness of their health and mana. This also allows me to identify if the healer is a WHM or a SCH as well as allow time for buffs. As far as I'm concerned the Tank and the Healer should have the closest relationship out of the entire group as they rely on each other to stay alive the most. Of course that's always been my stance in any MMO I've played.

I never blame anyone when I wipe. I mean, If I go from my 6k hp to 0 on a Ifrit fight without getting a single cure then It's prolly the healers fault, but I'll usually just rage to my friends on skype lol.

I totally sympathize with your pain, OP - but anyone checking the forums is not going to be your problem : D I'd also like to comment that Tank idiocy is way more visible than healer/dps idiocy due to us being the focus of mostly everyone's attention, especially healers.

The community (and any community) will have its fair share of stupidity. So much so that I am often left trying to imagine what the people playing the characters look like/are doing in real life. Like, are they smashing their face into a brick wall while smoking a crack pipe and hitting their keyboard with a baseball bat? The best thing I have found is to vent a little to my FC, do my darndest to stick it out and help them learn, and as a last resort, explain that the goal cannot be attained, and eat the lockout myself to leave.

I've had healers that would run away with aggro, like say to the entrance of the dungeon, and leave the rest of the party to die because they were "too busy kiting to heal". Bad healers just insta-ruin any party.

Its always the healers fault. Cast protect faster!

Rule number one of tanking: always blame the healer. God knows you will get enough shit throwed at your face as it is, better share the burden a bit.

Sorry mate :p

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Originally Posted by Seezur_Undies

We go in to the instance, first thing, the tank runs off before i am even half way trough casting prot and SS on them, they start taking heavy damage which means i have to use my divine seal and spam heals on them even before i can put prot and SS on them, then they run to the next mob as i am trying to heal them up, and it hits them just as they get in range (even when i try to interrupt it, it still sometimes pop). YAY ME! insta-hate, Not only am i trying to now keep the tank alive, i am wasting time, trying to get the tank to grab the adds, cast SoS, and keep them and me alive. If we happen to wipe, the tank yells at me to learn my class, to wait til he has hate to heal him....Well yeah DUH, i didnt just start healing yesterday. Then by the second boss, the tank goes, 'oh shield oath might help' REALLY? ya think giving yourself a lil more protection might help eh.

/endrant

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