2.1 coming in Dec, ARR has 1.5+ million accounts

I didn't see any thread about this new info, so I wanted to let you know:

http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/10/...g-in-december/

That means nothing if they don't give out retention figures.


edit: I just meant that it would have been nice to see total accounts and % retention so we could see how healthy 2.0 was.

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Originally Posted by Kule

That means nothing if they don't give out retention figures.

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This is month #2 of the subscription service. Last month they had a million accounts, now they have 1.5 million. What is it you're looking for exactly?

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

This is month #2 of the subscription service. Last month they had a million accounts, now they have 1.5 million. What is it you're looking for exactly?

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minus the number of people that quit. it says registered accounts, not active. take wow for example, the number of registered accounts is probably 100x the number of active

edit: ...you look like a kid version of me lol

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

This is month #2 of the subscription service. Last month they had a million accounts, now they have 1.5 million. What is it you're looking for exactly?

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Isn't it obvious? The trolls are looking for solid information that FFXIV is tanking. They love to cheer for its failure at any opportunity.

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Originally Posted by Hanabira

minus the number of people that quit. it says registered accounts, not active. take wow for example, the number of registered accounts is probably 100x the number of active

edit: ...you look like a kid version of me lol

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WoW uses some funky registration numbers anyways. Sine a large percentage of players are in China. If you didn't know in China they "pay as you go". So some people may not use up anytime and actually get counted. IE I have 10 mins in January I count, I don't use those 10 mins I still count in February. So not all the people counted are actually paying accounts.

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Originally Posted by Stormrider

WoW uses some funky registration numbers anyways. Sine a large percentage of players are in China. If you didn't know in China they "pay as you go". So some people may not use up anytime and actually get counted. IE I have 10 mins in January I count, I don't use those 10 mins I still count in February. So not all the people counted are actually paying accounts.

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Thats my point though, its counting registered accounts and not active.. i would call this game successful so far, but you cant look at that 1.5 million number and automatically say that 1.5 million people are playing.. everyone has people in their FC that havent logged on in weeks.

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Originally Posted by Quesse

Isn't it obvious? The trolls are looking for solid information that FFXIV is tanking. They love to cheer for its failure at any opportunity.

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I'm not a troll and i've been here since 1.0 o_0 I just like useful statistics and not PR fluff.

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Originally Posted by Kule

I'm not a troll and i've been here since 1.0 o_0 I just like useful statistics and not PR fluff.

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Exactly my thoughts as well.. im a 1.0 player as well, but to honestly believe that every single person that has registered is still playing is not just rose colored glasses, those are glasses made of roses. Not to mention they are likely counting players with both PC and PS3 keys twice since they had to be registered individually

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Originally Posted by Kule

That means nothing if they don't give out retention figures.

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It definitely means something. Just not what *you* would like to know.

It means that another half a million players bought the game since Tokyo Game Show, which is a really nice figure for second month sales of a MMORPG.

As for retention, servers look pretty damn crowded to me, so I'm not really worried.

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Originally Posted by Quesse

Isn't it obvious? The trolls are looking for solid information that FFXIV is tanking. They love to cheer for its failure at any opportunity.

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It's more like how people wanted to disbelieve that FFXI was ever popular or had more than 250k subs ever - WoW always reports 15 mil+ even though they count inactive, dead and trial accounts in their numbers since when you play it, there's a lot of people but it in no way feels like 15-18 million people.

People want to see the actual numbers of active subs, no trolling involved.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

It's more like how people wanted to disbelieve that FFXI was ever popular or had more than 250k subs ever - WoW always reports 15 mil+ even though they count inactive, dead and trial accounts in their numbers since when you play it, there's a lot of people but it in no way feels like 15-18 million people.

People want to see the actual numbers of active subs, no trolling involved.

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No they make it clear that those accounts are active. They're down to 10,000,000. The thing is most of those accounts come from china. They also count accounts in internet cafe. Why do I bring up china? It's why you don't "notice 10,000,000." They have their own servers. Then there's many servers people are spread out in. Thing is you only need 250,000 people to turn a profit. 500,000 is considered good. WoW has warped people's perception on what is good.

Well if 500k more people have bought it since then, then we can go ahead and say those 500k people are probably active for the moment, and factor in how many people originally stayed after free trials ended and even if that 1.5 mil is counting inactive accounts, they probably have a good bit over 1mil active at the moment. Servers do feel very well populated and in some areas overpopulated from what I can tell.

you guys are missing the bigger part about that article...2.1 is coming IN DECEMBER

/slit wrist WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?!!!! :(

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Originally Posted by astrobear

you guys are missing the bigger part about that article...2.1 is coming IN DECEMBER

/slit wrist WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?!!!! :(

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As much as it sucks we kind of already knew this about two weeks ago. Lol

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Originally Posted by astrobear

you guys are missing the bigger part about that article...2.1 is coming IN DECEMBER

/slit wrist WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?!!!! :(

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Because content doesn't make itself.

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Originally Posted by astrobear

you guys are missing the bigger part about that article...2.1 is coming IN DECEMBER

/slit wrist WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?!!!! :(

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That's earlier than I was expecting it, to be honest.

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Originally Posted by Dannythm

I didn't see any thread about this new info, so I wanted to let you know:

http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/10/...g-in-december/

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1* - Stats were released in late September.
2* - No official date has actually been given for 2.1...The only thing that has *ACTUALLY* been said is "by the end of the year". - It's actually speculated and much more likely that the update will come in the next few weeks considering the Playstation 4 kicks off in 2-3 weeks.

I don't know where //any// of you got "2.1 is coming in December"...When in fact, the only guarantee thus far is that 2.1 is coming BY December.

Accounts =/= People actually subbed.
And 2.1 is in Dec?
That's very disappointing...The count will go even down more
because the 2.1 is in Dec. Not a lot of people will be entertained by then
but it's only 1 month less of sub, they will come back.

I still get log-in queues.

700k of those are gil sellers judging by the number of tells ive gotten in the last 2 days.

OH NOES! THIS INFORMATION IS CONTRARY TO MY FALSE PRECONCEPTIONS. LET ME INVENT MORE EXCUSES WHY THIS INFORMATION IS SUPPOSEDLY BOGUS AND WHY THIS GAME IS A FAILURE. AND IF ANYONE DISCREDITS MY INFORMATION WITH ACTUAL FACT, I'LL CALL THEM A WHITE KNIGHT.

/capslock

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Originally Posted by Req

700k of those are gil sellers judging by the number of tells ive gotten in the last 2 days.

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Yah Bot accounts are included in that number, and who knows how many of those are there xD.

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

This is month #2 of the subscription service. Last month they had a million accounts, now they have 1.5 million. What is it you're looking for exactly?

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Retention as a percentage of new gains. Are you familiar with the concept of "churn"?

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Originally Posted by xXHalloweenTrixXx

Yah Bot accounts are included in that number, and who knows how many of those are there xD.

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Lol, even those bots have to pay a monthly fee. Even though SE is taking action on them, They still had to buy the base game (for the code) + any monthly fees ( if they last that long lol).

Unless bots work around those things somehow?

( Is there a source saying 2.1 comes in December? Even though I figured it will most likely come by that month.)

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Lol, even those bots have to pay a monthly fee. Even though SE is taking action on them, They still had to buy the base game (for the code) + any monthly fees ( if they last that long lol).

Unless bots work around those things somehow?

( Is there a source saying 2.1 comes in December? Even though I figured it will most likely come by that month.)

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Which means more funds for the next patch content. mhmmmm.

Service accounts I think is what they're counting.

Hmmm... Nowhere did they actually link the official Press Release, which means I cannot (as usual) trust this websites information.

The game was released in August. I don't think I will continue sitting doing nothing besides Coil a couple of days per week all through November as well....

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Originally Posted by Crescent_Dusk

The game was released in August. I don't think I will continue sitting doing nothing besides Coil a couple of days per week all through November as well....

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I did say that to people, if you're bored with the game, unsub and wait 1 or 2 patches. Hopefully by then there should be a good amount of content.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

It definitely means something. Just not what *you* would like to know.

It means that another half a million players bought the game since Tokyo Game Show, which is a really nice figure for second month sales of a MMORPG.

As for retention, servers look pretty damn crowded to me, so I'm not really worried.

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Plenty of people transferring IN to Behemoth too, getting pretty busy here :)

I'm more curious as to why it says "multiple" new dungeons will be added. Crystal Tower will be added, but I'm pretty sure additional difficulty levels for pre-existing dungeons don't count as new dungeons :3

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Originally Posted by TetsuyaHikari

I'm more curious as to why it says "multiple" new dungeons will be added. Crystal Tower will be added, but I'm pretty sure additional difficulty levels for pre-existing dungeons don't count as new dungeons :3

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From what I understand, it won't be the exact same dungeons with more HP on enemies. They are supposedly re-doing
them in as a different path with different bosses. I could be wrong. Still not necessarily "new", but "newer" I guess.

Plus on top of Crystal Tower, they are adding Pharos Sirius as a new level 50 dungeon. :)

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Originally Posted by Swishytail

From what I understand, it won't be the exact same dungeons with more HP on enemies. They are supposedly re-doing
them in as a different path with different bosses. I could be wrong. Still not necessarily "new", but "newer" I guess.

Plus on top of Crystal Tower, they are adding Pharos Sirius as a new level 50 dungeon. :)

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Oh, right, haha. I totally forgot about Pharos Sirius ><. I guess it's because most people are just talking about Crystal Tower =3=

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Originally Posted by Swishytail

From what I understand, it won't be the exact same dungeons with more HP on enemies. They are supposedly re-doing
them in as a different path with different bosses. I could be wrong. Still not necessarily "new", but "newer" I guess.

Plus on top of Crystal Tower, they are adding Pharos Sirius as a new level 50 dungeon. :)

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Same dungeon names with redesign of the old dungeons, with tougher mobs/bosses etc.

If 500k people bought the game last month.
And a standard edition is $19.99
And if my maths is correct
That's $10 000 000
Not bad for a months wages

It has been assumed the hard mode dungeons will have new layouts and bosses. This would make them count as new in my opinion. Also the game came out Late August. Devs said updates every 2-3 months. 3 months is last week of Nov. Factor in all the launch BS and a week delay wouldn't be surprising. That would put it first week of Dec.

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Originally Posted by TetsuyaHikari

I'm more curious as to why it says "multiple" new dungeons will be added. Crystal Tower will be added, but I'm pretty sure additional difficulty levels for pre-existing dungeons don't count as new dungeons :3

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I disagree 100%.

The difference between titan EM and HM is night and day. I would not count that as 1 battle as the way to beat them are totally different. Need better gear need 4 more people and need new guides to beat him. I expect it to be the same and I think HM to dungeons are a great way to give us more content faster.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

It's more like how people wanted to disbelieve that FFXI was ever popular or had more than 250k subs ever - WoW always reports 15 mil+ even though they count inactive, dead and trial accounts in their numbers since when you play it, there's a lot of people but it in no way feels like 15-18 million people.

People want to see the actual numbers of active subs, no trolling involved.

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FFXI peaked at 500k subs. You're info is clearly incorrect on that basis alone.

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Originally Posted by DNO

I disagree 100%.

The difference between titan EM and HM is night and day. I would not count that as 1 battle as the way to beat them are totally different. Need better gear need 4 more people and need new guides to beat him. I expect it to be the same and I think HM to dungeons are a great way to give us more content faster.

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Eh... I honestly wouldn't relate a primal fight to a dungeon. It's apples and oranges, really. I honestly doubt a HM dungeon would actually be drastically different in terms of difficulty, compared to its NM counterpart.