To the Monks: I'm curious about some of the tactics and/or rotations you're using as I think we'll find that all of us do things a little different. Lets not get too deep into discussion and criticism of others here...lets just post what WE are doing and and short reasoning if you feel the need. I'm also curious who favors which fist(s) and if you like to change during different fights.
I prefer Fists of Fire. I tested damage between fire/wind and surprisingly the damage difference in a real fight was unnoticeable.
I've seen some people who don't go from rear to flank when attacking. I personally do my rear attacks and then transition to flank before finally doing my damage over time abilities (demolish, touch of death, fracture) with internal release and greased lightning 3 up. Working on blood 4 blood currently.
I usually save Mantra until things look to be going sour for party/tank. I don't use it all the time. I generally burn instant damage abilities after their cooldown unless a fight requires me to hold them for certain moments (like burning adds quickly).
Also, I've utilized our silence ability to some success in coil turn 2 by spamming it when in opo opo form in order to keep nodes silenced longer and keep them from using high voltage when they'd normally be able to...
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10-25-2013, 05:06 AMAccountBannedTo the MONKeys out there... no real discussion..but explain your tricks/tactics.
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10-25-2013, 05:49 AMZigkid3
fists of fire for damage obviously. sometimes if the fight or phase of a fight requires it i'll switch to earth/wind for a short amount of time until w/e it was is over and then switch back to fire. just need to get used to stance swapping depending on the situation.
Trash mobs I'll spread DoTs or maybe even use rockbreaker if 3+ enemies to not apply too much aggro on one thing to help the tank, and also to increase my overall dps to make the dungeon go faster.
normal rotation on a boss:
DK>twin>snap/demo
at the very start however ill do a bootshine from behind instead of DK because DK doesn't apply the debuff for the first rotation since you're neutral and no opo-opo yet.
keep demo, fracture, touch of death, twin snakes, dragon kick, GL3 up. since dots dont require positioning i dont worry about the position for those. 95% of the time i'm at the flank, the only abilities requiring being behind is bootshine, and true strike. you won't be using those cause youll be too busy reapplying DK and twin snakes instead which are from the flank, and snap punch is the flank. only time i go behind is for a bootshine at the start or a bootshine when restarting the rotation after my stances dropped due to a boss mechanic.
remember to shoulder tackle when you need it.
remember to steel peak when it can be helpful.
remember mantra has a small radius, i normally use it when people are close together and i know we'll be taking a bit of damage soon, like when garuda HM summons the sisters.
remember to use second wind, foresight, the dodge ability i forget the name when you might be taking a bit of damage to make it easier on the healers and for the group. -
10-25-2013, 09:23 AMAlmalexia
Is this a random advice thread?
- Steel Peak will synchronize with the slime pops in the fight against Caduceus if you stun slimes as soon as they appear.
- If you see a DoT icon lingering on an enemy's status bar without a counter on it, do not attempt to reapply the DoT. Wait for the icon to disappear before reapplying.
- You can't advance forms against an enemy with Stoneskin, nor will you gain/apply any form-dependent effects through WS.
- That said, when facing a mob with Stoneskin, spam Bootshine in Opo, True Strike in Raptor, or Snap Punch in Coeurl until the SS is gone.
- While in Perfect Balance, you will not advance through MNK forms, but you will gain/apply any form-dependent effect associated with each WS.
- Mantra has a really crappy radius. :( -
10-25-2013, 05:12 PMPae
Ive been trying a new rotation lately, shame there is no 100% accurate to way to check dps though :/
After stacking up GL and adding DOTs
1. Flank: DK-TS-SP
2. Back: BS-Impulse drive x2
3. Flank: TS-SP-DK
4. Back: Impulse drive x2
etc.
Fit in DOTs whenever they run out. IMO lancers impusle drive is better than our own True strike. And I can fit two in.
Its a strange rotation to get used to at first but easy once you get used to it. Only thing Im not sure of is if it really is more DPS, maybe someone else has tried it out and can give their input. -
10-25-2013, 05:16 PMChokeei think you should do DK first instead. bootshine 100% crit is opo-opo bonus. you're no in opo-opo yet, so its just 130 potency. but doing DK on flank does 150 potency even if you're not in opo-opo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zigkid3
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10-25-2013, 07:14 PMGenesiser
On bosses, when I am running towards the boss at the beginning of the fight I spam my death touch button. For one, by the time I get 3 stacks of GL up and have my dps buffs ready to use it's time to reapply the debuff and 2, it gives tanks just a tiny bit more time to build aggro in the very beginning of the fight.
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10-25-2013, 10:33 PMmr_wazzabiThat's what i do. My rotation--> tod, dk, ts, dm, frac, dk, trst, impulse drive, sp, bs.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Chokee
There are many times that your rotation would have to change, like when a mob is close to dying, using a dot is a waste so i would go full burst dmg
I launch steel peek and howling fist in between gcd and mercy stroke when the mob or boss is almost dead. For bosses i use the lb, followed by mercy stroke for extra dmg. -
10-25-2013, 10:54 PMEasymodeX
I have BFB, IR, and Mercy Stroke on the same "OGCD" macro and spam it for damagez.
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10-26-2013, 02:08 AMNaalya-Deix
With this :
1. Flank: DK-TS-SP
2. Back: BS-Impulse drive x2
If you are to move just after or in fact just between ID, you have < 2 sec to get back in position so as not to lose GL3. Often, I prefer sticking with "stance skills" in order to reach coeurl stance rapidly enough not to lose GL3 even if I have to move / pass the sickness on Turn 2 ADS (for example) cause in the combo "BS / ID * 2" VS "BS / ID / SP" there is only one ID in the delta and 30 potency (for the worst case of both) is not a huge DPS loss at the cost of losing GL3 and PT buffering (I do have issues in end game while I'm playing perfectly with DoT, I don't imagine without true strike to buffer it). With a lot of skill speed, you can sinergizes this well, but I'm not for the SS build.
In fact, I do :
Start : PB : SP, SP, SP, TwS, DK
1) DK, B4B + TW, IR + DS,
Fracture, ToD
2) BS, TrS, SP
3) DK, TwS, SP
4) BS, TrS, DS
Fracture
so on.
I'm still undecide whether using ID or not and if yes, which rotation will be the most steady for bosses but with so much pressure on stance buff and GL3, I'm always afraid of losing it if it just let me 2 sec margin to refresh it.
For ID Vs BS, you need 1 crit out of 6 ID to be sure ID will bring the most damage, so around 20% crit~. -
10-26-2013, 04:22 AMAccountBannedYeah a random advice for monks and a "tell us what things you do". I also utilize the stun effect on slimes and bust all my cooldowns on them before dragging so that the healers don't have to worry about me and can focus on the tanks in that fight. Bards seem to be decent at slime duty but sometimes die. Monk power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Almalexia
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10-26-2013, 04:24 AMAccountBanned
By the way..I ran into some players on Leviathan that do not know that Rear = rear and flank = side...just so you know, they're two different positions!
These players had played the game since its release so I'm sure there's others that still don't know this..spread the word. -
10-28-2013, 10:05 PMSize
I use this rotation on bosses mainly, but I recommend using it on trash too to train your muscle memory.
1. Flank: ToD -> DK-> TwS -> SP :GLx1
2. Flank: DK-> TwS -> IR(if up)-> DM -> Frac :GLx2
3. Rear: BS -> IDx2 Side: TwS -> SP -> ToD :Glx3
4. Repeat 2 and 3
I fit in offensive Cd's between moves when they are up. What I like about this is it keeps your buffs, debuff, Hots and GL all up 100% of the time plus a bit of boost from BS crit and 2 impulse drives which activate really fast. With more skill speed I'm going to try and fit in IDx3.
I save PB for burst damage e.g. PB+IR -> SPx4 Will add BfB to that when I get it.
This is what works for me with my skill speed currently. -
10-29-2013, 01:18 AMNaalya-DeixThat's what I do (Turn 5 access Monk here) but PB at start in order for my DM / Fract / Tod phase to be under GL3 and all other buff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Size
Plus, I don't do any ToD at start, cause the duration is not complete if you are refreshing your DoTs the sooner (the better) and it doesn't worth it in this case. I did some calculation and DoTs during buffs are insane especially if shot soon. -
10-29-2013, 01:57 AMZigkid3You're right, I double checked and the crit bonus also requires opo-opo >.<Quote:
Originally Posted by Chokee
Now I've been doing this for rotation:
DK (no bonus)>twin>demo>frac>ToD
DK (w/ bonus)>twin>snap
BS>twin>demo>frac
DK>twin>snap>refresh frac/tod when needed
BS>twin>demo>refresh frac/tod when needed
DK>twin>snap>refresh frac/tod when needed
BS>twin>demo>frac
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once i get more gear with skill speed reduction i may be able to fit in 2x impulse drive. -
10-29-2013, 02:30 AMNaalya-Deix
If you are <= 2.10 GCD (which should be obvious with only a little of SS, you are missing a bit DPS not using True Strike (and you move for nothing from rear to flank also). Notice that 0.10 sec is not even to bother you ! And yet, you need 373 to 490 SS to gain only 0.10 sec on your final GCD.
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10-29-2013, 03:25 AMSizeYes I don't think I have that high of Skill speed yet. But will look to read True Strike when I do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Naalya-Deix
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10-29-2013, 01:37 PMNoobletI didn't realize this till like 30 lol. Course doing fates I hardly pay attention. But I see countless monks that either don't know, or they're lazy and don't care about dps.Quote:
Originally Posted by AccountBanned
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10-30-2013, 01:00 AMZigkid3
Interestingly I tested out a rotation including DoTs versus a non DoT rotation, I was quite surprised by the results.
I expected the DoT rotation to do higher dps than the non DoT rotation. Even with keeping a 100% uptime on dots, and not clipping them (reapplying as it reaches 0 only), I found that both rotations had relatively similar dps with slight variations. The DoT rotation did do very slightly more but barely.
I'll probably do more practice on the dummy, I was quite surprised.
DoT rotation:
DK (no debuff bonus yet)>twin>demo>frac>ToD
DK (with debuff bonus now)>twin>snap
BS>impulse drive 2x>twin>demo>frac
DK>twin>snap>ToD
BS>impulse drive 2x>twin>demo>frac
DK>twin>snap
BS> impulse drive 2x> twin>demo>frac>ToD
DK>twin>snap
repeat
basically reapply DoTs when needed.
Non DoT rotation:
DK (no debuff bonus yet)>twin>snap
DK>twin>snap
BS>impulse drive 2x>twin>snap
DK>twin>snap
BS>impulse drive 2x>twin>snap
DK>twin>snap
repeat
Obviously, using dps cooldowns weaved in between both rotations.
When I get back home I'm going to see if i can maybe weave in more impulse drives between the times i do DK and twin snakes if possible.
Also going to test what happens when I start by doing ToD first and perfect balance to build GL3 right off the bat to see how much difference it could make in dps. I've been noticing people do this to build GL3 right away which makes sense, so I'll test a new rotation with this in mind later today.
On a side note:
I'm wearing head, chest, gloves, 2 rings, bracelet, earrings for darklight. I'm also wearing belt, pants, shoes, neck as green drops from AK. no allagan/myth pieces yet. with that as my gear I used to be using the grand company weapon and had no blood for blood yet and i was doing a measly 150 dps. Now i finally have relic+1 and blood for blood, and then my dps shot up to 230 dps, a 50% increased just by upgrading my weapon and unlocking a cooldown. Hopefully later this week I'll get two more darklight pieces. I'm not sure if this is good for my gear level or not, i'm hoping with full darklight and a couple allagan/myth pieces I'll be over 300, not sure how much it'll scale though. -
10-30-2013, 03:24 AMFogueloI've heard similar statements across the forums. However, I'm always worried about "how" this was tested. I'm still unconvinced that the parsers that are currently out there accurately measure dots as well as dps in general. That's my only concern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zigkid3
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10-30-2013, 05:12 AMZigkid3So I've heard. I've been hearing that the dps parser doesn't measure DoTs accurately. and that it's inaccurate when measuring the dps of other party members.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foguelo
On topic: Another tip/trick, in dungeons on trash I like to pop internal release+blood for blood+perfect balance then spam rock breaker and when you can't any more end with a howling fist. if 3+ things are still alive then do 1-2-rockbreaker. so much trash dps and it's fun to play the "how much aggro can i steal from the tank" game :D -
10-30-2013, 05:17 AMAccountBannedI think they're very accurate. We were in a Titan group with someone who used one and afterwards they posted the results of the fight where I did 44000000 damage total...so obviously very accurate because I know for a fact that it feels like I'm doing 44 million damage when >I< play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foguelo
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10-30-2013, 05:26 AMAlmalexiaIt doesn't make mathematical sense for a DoT rotation to do less damage than or similar damage to a non-DoT rotation, especially in a controlled environment against a target that cannot die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foguelo
As much as it pains me to do it, I've sworn off parsers until there's an in-app option or an (admittedly against TOS) memory-reading parser. The only thing you can reliably measure on parsers in terms of DoTs is how many rather than how much, but that won't tell you anything useful.
The worst part is there are so many clowns who swear by parsers that I actually took this seriously for a moment. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by AccountBanned