Question about melding

I don't get it. Why when I meld some lvl I Materia like Craftmanship+3 into even lvl 30 (or was 35?) gear it says that the item level is not high enough an it reduces the buff to Craftmanship+1 or +2? I've got that Materia from low level gear conversion anyway!

It's because you're already near to the maxed stat on that gear. See more info here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1273980

Oh, bloody hell. There is eve a cap? I thought it was enough to allow to meld only lvl I, II and so on Materia depending on the gear level.

Well, thanks anyway. At lest I know it isn't a bug.

Yeah - but I think the caps are needed otherwise people melt in 5 times the same maxed materia to all their gears and have one stat to overpowered.

Yes, that could be right. But I am never able to meld a Craftmanship+3 to a single slot. It feels like I can meld it only to gear that can meld Materia II already. What's the point of having it as Materia I if it can't be fully used? They could just make Craftmanship+2, it would have been less confusing. Unless I am doing something wrong.

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Originally Posted by Michelasso

Yes, that could be right. But I am never able to meld a Craftmanship+3 to a single slot. It feels like I can meld it only to gear that can meld Materia II already. What's the point of having it as Materia I if it can't be fully used? They could just make Craftmanship+2, it would have been less confusing. Unless I am doing something wrong.

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You're melding it to the wrong thing. I don't know about level 30/35 gear, but looking at the melding caps for top-level gear it seems that you could get good results by melding to a body piece, or to your secondary (and possibly primary) tool.

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Originally Posted by Conradus

You're melding it to the wrong thing. I don't know about level 30/35 gear, but looking at the melding caps for top-level gear it seems that you could get good results by melding to a body piece, or to your secondary (and possibly primary) tool.

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Yep. There's a place for everything. Cotton Halfgloves only have Control on them to begin with, so they could take CP and/or Craftsmanship materia without bumping into their caps, for example.

There might also be a point where you'd meld a materia even though you know you're not getting its full effect. If the rest of your gear is already stuffed with materia, and melding a +3 CP, even though it only actually gives you +1, gives you that last CP you need to be able to use <insert crafting skill here> one more time per synth, it might be worth it. There are also things like ACC caps to think about (e.g., a SCH needs a certain amount of ACC to keep Energy Drain from missing in Binding Coil; a single point of ACC can be worth a lot in that case).

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Originally Posted by Bixby

Yep. There's a place for everything. Cotton Halfgloves only have Control on them to begin with, so they could take CP and/or Craftsmanship materia without bumping into their caps, for example.

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You might be surprised. The cap is calculated based on both item level and item slot. The chart about melding top level gear shows that your hands piece can only take +4 Craftsmanship despite having none to begin with. The body piece can can take +16 Craftsmanship despite already having 92. The Militia off-hand tool can take +19 although it already has 107. That's why I suggested trying those slots if you're looking to fit a Craftsmanship materia. It seems likely to me that the main hand tool should also take Craftsmanship materia well, but the chart gives no guidance here since the top-level main hand tool is, of course, unmeldable.

Crafting and gathering materia seem to work different from battle materia. With battle materia, an HQ item specializing in a stat is generally already at its materia cap for that stat, but that doesn't appear to be the case in crafting and gathering.

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Originally Posted by Conradus

You might be surprised.

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Indeed I am. I've got some reading to do sometime. Thanks for the information.

Even if lower level gear can't fully use the materia, higher level gear can and it is much less pricey to use a tier 1 if your gear would only need +3 Craftsmanship to cap it.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

Even if lower level gear can't fully use the materia, higher level gear can and it is much less pricey to use a tier 1 if your gear would only need +3 Craftsmanship to cap it.

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With the HQ gear, you wouldn't be using a tier one until you were forbidden melding anyway. Everything has one or two tier fours that need to go into the guaranteed slots first (save for a couple of accessories that take a control 3 to start). You're already going to have to cough up the big bucks to get started melding your HQ crafting gear. I've put around a million into mine so far, and only have 3 forbidden melds across the whole set, with a long way to go!

Ok, so I realize I have a lot more to learn. I deduct that since I have all HQ gear I'll hit the cap more easily, right? I will try melding the same materia to different gears. Please note that I have this issue only with crafting gears, maybe with them the cap is lower.