Remove the dungeon timer!

Just got out of a run of The Aurum Vale and I just got kicked out of it for violating the time frame. This has not happened to me until this, and i am 49.

It frustrates me because I was healer, and the two DPS kept dying at Coincounter. They kept getting hit because they either didn't stun or evade his OHKO swing. So after 5 wipes we managed to finish it. By the time we get to the last boss, we get kicked out in the MIDDLE of the fight.

This agitates me, because as some one who WASNT screwing up, I just got punished and lost out on an hour and a half of my life because I still need to finish it for the quest.

On top of that, I cant vote kick the people who screw up, and if I leave I get punished with another 15 minutes of down time for something that shouldn't be my fault. So this game basically punishes you when other people screw you over, and you can't do anything to improve the situation.

Since I had a character max.

This also makes the game feel anti learning. Its like you HAVE to go to the website to learn the fights (which I already do) but it seems stupid to MAKE people know the fight before running the dungeon, and then wipe out all progress when they don't make it.

Remove timer because it's bad for first time player in ONE of the 30+ dungeons, which will increase DF server load and player queue time for ALL dungeons. This doesn't sound like a good idea.
And I do think ppl NEED to learn any of the end game dungeons before they go there, so it's good to have that habit before reach end game.

Do a premade and dont use df que if it bothers u.
There wil always be ppl new to a dungeon if u use df. If vote kick was active then noobs wudnt have a chance as all the elitist scrubs wud kick them on 1st wipe.

Well that's how MMO culture works now they want everything now and if everything doesn't work out first try they QQ and want to kick people. The amount of people who come into DF expecting things to be perfect or expecting speed runs is just funny. To me if you want those things you'd never in a million years use a random group finder where you don't know what you are getting you find your friends,FC people or like minded randoms who have the gear and experience you need.

The problem isn't not being able to kick people (which actually IS a problem) but the issue of the time limit. It takes some people longer to learn a dungeon. If you wipe more than three times you're almost guaranteed to time out, which doesn't help ANYONE learn the dungeon. It just forces everyone to re-queue, which for the DPS means waiting another 30 mins to have another attempt that may fail. It's why so many people just use FATEs

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Originally Posted by Arcaloid

Remove timer because it's bad for first time player in ONE of the 30+ dungeons, which will increase DF server load and player queue time for ALL dungeons. This doesn't sound like a good idea.
And I do think ppl NEED to learn any of the end game dungeons before they go there, so it's good to have that habit before reach end game.

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First off, a 47 dungeons that is a part of a quest is far from being "End Game". Second it is stupid to require people to study a freaking guide to go into a dungeon. Let them learn the hard way.

Plus how will it increase the server load by a significant amount? Isn't part of the reason we all pay 15 dollars a month is so they can load balance based on the number of active users? And how does this affect the queues? When these people fail the dungeon, they are going to waste MORE dungeon queue resources, because they have to requeue again

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Originally Posted by bebop_bo

Do a premade and dont use df que if it bothers u.
There wil always be ppl new to a dungeon if u use df. If vote kick was active then noobs wudnt have a chance as all the elitist scrubs wud kick them on 1st wipe.

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Im saying either enable vote kick so I can vote kick people who keep failing the boss mechanics even after I explain them, or remove the time limit so I can take the time to walk people through it. I was patient enough to walk people through the boss fights to the point of beat it, and yet I still get punished. The only other option would be leave when I realize I am gonna run out of time and reque. Which in the end wasted 80 minutes of my life because I gained NOTHING out of it.

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Originally Posted by MXMoondoggie

Well that's how MMO culture works now they want everything now and if everything doesn't work out first try they QQ and want to kick people. The amount of people who come into DF expecting things to be perfect or expecting speed runs is just funny. To me if you want those things you'd never in a million years use a random group finder where you don't know what you are getting you find your friends,FC people or like minded randoms who have the gear and experience you need.

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I don't WANT a speed run. I don't WANT to vote kick people. What I am saying, is either remove the time requirement, or give me the ability to kick people who are messing up. I have patience to help people finish a dungeon and teach them the mechanics. But to later get punished for it is bull shit.

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Originally Posted by MXMoondoggie

Well that's how MMO culture works now they want everything now and if everything doesn't work out first try they QQ and want to kick people. The amount of people who come into DF expecting things to be perfect or expecting speed runs is just funny. To me if you want those things you'd never in a million years use a random group finder where you don't know what you are getting you find your friends,FC people or like minded randoms who have the gear and experience you need.

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I think WOW contributed to this mentality. Their auto que and super easy dungeon combo got players accustomed to rushing through content and encouraged the I want it fast, easy, and now mentality.

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Originally Posted by Kocrachon

I don't WANT a speed run. I don't WANT to vote kick people. What I am saying, is either remove the time requirement, or give me the ability to kick people who are messing up. I have patience to help people finish a dungeon and teach them the mechanics. But to later get punished for it is bull shit.

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Sorry that you had a bad experience, but honestly it's the nature of the beast. Using DF will put you in these situations, especially in Aurum Vale. You almost need a bard, or hard hitting AOE to beat the last boss because of how the adds work. The timer is actually about 30 minutes longer than a person needs to do a clean run, as stated before it helps with server loads as well. The best advice I can give you is to find a premade, or just reque for the dungeon.

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Originally Posted by ienmity

. You almost need a bard, or hard hitting AOE to beat the last boss because of how the adds work. The timer is actually about 30 minutes longer than a person needs to do a clean run, as stated before it helps with server loads as well. .

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I call BS on the server loads. The population has already started to lower now that the 30 days are over,hundreds of thousands of people are paying 15 dollars a month. The IT industry has spent years coming up with different load balancing methods, such as cloud computer with things such as Amazon Web Services and stuff like that. There are cost effective ways for them to load balance and keep it with in a reasonable cost. They need to come up with ways to deliver a better customer experience. And I hardly doubt that letting people spend another 30-40 minutes in a dungeon is all of a sudden gonna break some server. Plenty of other MMOs from other smaller companies can make it work, so I am sure SE can do it too.

Even if server load isn't a problem, what if you got put into a group that either couldn't practically finish the dungeon or would take 5 hours to finish the dungeon? Dungeons are locked to 90-120 minutes usually and even DF groups complete them well under that time because a standard has been set by the timer. Remove the timer and you'll get slightly worse players and longer completion times. It's a trade off between having ridiculously long runs occasionally vs. reasonable length runs with some occasional fails.

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Originally Posted by ienmity

I think WOW contributed to this mentality. Their auto que and super easy dungeon combo got players accustomed to rushing through content and encouraged the I want it fast, easy, and now mentality.

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It has done quite a bit of damage to the ideology of MMOs. Sad but true. I feel bad for the people who never really truly got to experience how real MMOs were back nearly a decade and a half ago. It has changed greatly and I can tell you, I enjoy those adventurous days...even when gfx and etc were terrible.

Yeah, I feel for you with the wasting 90 minutes because it's happened to me before on multiple occasions, but as people have pointed out, it happens and removing the timer is only going to frustrate you more when you look at the clock and realize you've been attempting the same fight for three hours.

This community needs to stop with the "I had one bad experience so now I'm going to go straight to the forums and demand things be changed" threads. There are bad mechanics and bad luck and most of the time it is the latter.

Timer is required to prevent malicious flooding and indefinite stay-alives of instances which result in full DF servers.

IMO if you wiped 5+ times you deserve to be kicked out.

I quite like the Timer. I do dungeons as my primary method of leveling a new class.

I feel that without that timer, people just wouldn't try hard enough to succeed.
I still remember spending 5 hours in Blackrock Depths in WoW back in vanilla because the Tank kept AFKing and getting himself lost. Sunken Temple was another that could take forever due to people getting lost.

if we did not have the timer, people wouldn't care about wiping 100 times on a bad boss, because there is no punishment for doing so, which can lead to spending many hours in a dungeon and getting nowhere.