(Diabalos) Crafting exploit?

I'm not sure if this is happening on other servers, but something weird has happened to the Gryphonskin/Vanya stuff over the past few days. A player whose only levels are 50 weaver/leatherworker, 17 Gladiator and 23 Miner has posted lots of Gryphonskin/Vanya stuff over the past 2 days.

The weird thing is, he has no materia in any of his accessories/offhands (making his crafting stats very low). Stranger, he's posted even numbers of every item, with the same number of HQ and NQ items, but on different retainers.

But here's what's weird: For example, He has 2 Gryphonskin Boots listed, a HQ one for 999,999 and a NQ one for 333,333. Pants? Same thing. Gryphonskin Boots? Listed for 333,333 and 111,111.

Now, this is also a guy who has bought no Animal Fat/Potash off the Market Board, and no ones seen him shout in MD. Why such weird levels? If he's a crafting mule, why only half-materiad? Why post the EXACT same number of NQ and HQ items? Somethings wrong here.

He could have duped em or smthg, I ve read somewhere that there was a way to do this or smthg (same-ish way some people leveled 1-50 in a min)... T.T

Absolutely possible, or he could just be a mule for a FC that's the designated seller, rather than an actual crafter.

So, his Goldsmith hit 50 last night and he instantly posted every possible GSM item for 999,999, with the only exception being to post for 333,333 if someone had an item up for a lower price.

Take a look at his lodestone. His crafting stats are ridiculously low, and he has no level 15 cross-skills from other classes. If you had a Free Company that was pooling resources to post items at ridiculous prices, wouldn't you at least get BSM to 15? Wouldn't you at least put Materia in your accessories?

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/4089790/

It's obviously an RMT.

He's someone's alt most likely transferred off of the Coeurl server as that's pretty much where his gear came from.

It is weird.

I've read a post about some kind of hack where a character was gaining 29 levels in a crafting class in less than a minute (maybe even all levels from 1-50).
There was a screenshot with timestamps in the chat log too. That was a few weeks ago.

When I saw this I felt like all the time spent getting my crafts up since v1.0 beta was a waste of time, when cheaters can do the same in minutes and then destroy the economy.

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Originally Posted by Cyndane

He's someone's alt most likely transferred off of the Coeurl server as that's pretty much where his gear came from.

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An alt without a mount activated, making 2-star items with no other crafting classes leveled, even to 15? The amount of failures you'll get like that is pretty big, so I find it hard to believe that someone would have farmed all those ToP items and then not bothered to take 30 minutes to level, say, BSM to 15.

This is clearly someone who duped ToP items and is using the sales for RMT.

I don't think he's an alt but a very dedicated crafter. I've seen the same thing in my server where one person comes in and starts to sell tier 2 gears for half the price of the previously current market. I came to the conclusion that that person had just transferred over from another server and since people who are transferring to another server are restricted to only have 3 million gil + 1 million gil for each retainer, many people that have more would have to buy tier 2 mats in their previous server in order to not lose their gils.

Of course they would have to recoup their gils back by crafting tier 2 gears and selling them at how much it cost them to buy the mats from their previous server, hence the low prices or what. I would have done the same if I had to change servers.

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Server transfer.
Doesn't know how to or doesn't want to read market history (you'd be surprised how many people are that lazy).

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Originally Posted by enasccis

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Again, what kind of dedicated crafter doesn't even level sub-classes to 15? It literally takes 45 minutes, and dramatically increases your HQ odds.

More examples of price silliness: Selling pairs of Vanya Breeches for 555,555. Vanya Breeches require 18 Potash, which sell for around 33k each, so 594,000 not counting other mats/clusters. Every other pair that has sold went for 1.5m+. This isn't something a "dedicated crafter" does. It's something an RMT does to generate gil.

It's as if he lists items while ignoring their cost, something that wouldn't make sense for an actual crafter to do, especially when there's no one else selling the items and they have a history of selling.

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Originally Posted by YuriRamona

Server transfer.
Doesn't know how to or doesn't want to read market history (you'd be surprised how many people are that lazy).

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How does any of this explain selling multiple items for 555,555 when the mats cost 600k+ and the only history for the items have them selling for 1m+? He instantly posted items for every recipe he could make and, on the same day he hit 50 GSM according to his Lodestone, posted these dramatically underpriced items for every GSM recipe.

I'm a little baffled by some people here trying to explain this away. If you know anything about the games crafting system, you'd know it's almost impossible to come up with the mats he did so quickly (especially with no history of buying subcomponents) and any type of "guild" crafting idea again makes no sense considering how under-leveled his other crafting professions are.

RMT like this is going to destroy any type of crafting market that still exists if something doesn't get done.

The only "guild" crafting theory that might make sense is this guy is a clearing house for items crafted by others.

I have to agree with Rainsford's assessment. Please report him and see what SE uncovers.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

The only "guild" crafting theory that might make sense is this guy is a clearing house for items crafted by others.

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All of the items he posts have his signature on them, so he's the one crafting them.

like i've said, he bought the potash, etc from his previous server. for having gsm, ltw, and wvr, he has access to innovation, waster not II, and careful synthesis II which is enough to HQ tier 2 gears with some consistency, hence why he has some NQ items for sale. with the ridiculous price he places such as 555,555, he's messing around and like u've said, that it would cost 594k for 18 potash, its around the ballpark that he just want to recoup back the gils he spent on the tier 2 mats from his previous server.

i was suspicious at first when i saw a guy doing the same thing in my server, but his tactics won't last long and since ilvl 70 items are now bindable even in low mobs, meaning they can't be sold back in the market, the market will go back to be 'normal' sooner or later.

Actually, Vanya Breeches require a hard hippogryph leather as well, which adds 9 animal fat into the mix, so break even should have been more than 850k. This guy also has a LOT of items posted (as in, one or two of every single item crafted by leather and cloth), and he's posting new ones as they sell, which means he would have had to have an inordinate amount of money (at current market prices, we're probably talking over 20m).

Also, if he's just liquidating stuff he brought from another server, why would he have brought the items required to make goldsmith i70 crafts when he didn't have goldsmith until a day or two ago?

There was a matless craft exploit. It was on from day 1 untill the latest patch that fixed it. And whit that it was possible to do a lot more

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Originally Posted by enasccis

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Ilmoran posted below, but the price of his Vanya breeches were actually 300k~ BELOW mat cost, and he sold multiple copies before raising the price.

Again, like I keep repeating, the whole "he brought the mats over from the old server" doesn't explain why ~no~ other crafts are leveled (and GSM was 0 before 3 days ago). Most of the crafting was done without melded jewelry. HQing 2-star items with 313 CP, bare-bones stats and no cross-class skills aside from Weaver and Leatherworker is very, very difficult, and can be made much easier by taking 3-4 hours to get the other crafts to 15.

I'll never understand why people tie themselves into knots defending things that are clearly exploits. Why would someone without even activating a mount be worried about "recouping" his gil? He'd make more money selling the mats on a lot of these crafts.

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Originally Posted by Rainsford

How does any of this explain selling multiple items for 555,555 when the mats cost 600k+ and the only history for the items have them selling for 1m+? He instantly posted items for every recipe he could make and, on the same day he hit 50 GSM according to his Lodestone, posted these dramatically underpriced items for every GSM recipe.

I'm a little baffled by some people here trying to explain this away. If you know anything about the games crafting system, you'd know it's almost impossible to come up with the mats he did so quickly (especially with no history of buying subcomponents) and any type of "guild" crafting idea again makes no sense considering how under-leveled his other crafting professions are.

RMT like this is going to destroy any type of crafting market that still exists if something doesn't get done.

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You missed the quote from my post.

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Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

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Believe it or not, some people in this world are not very good at even this most basic math or calculating profits.

The following two lines are possible explanations, if stupidity alone is not the explanation. (Server transfer or failure to examine market history)

In any case, server transfer is the legitimate excuse for not having sub-ingredient history. On the other hand, you know, there's this thing called "trading system" and "buying directly from the vendor".

Or, like previous posts have suggested, it is an alternate to a main character with the savings to fund this. Yes, his lack of sub-crafts (particularly CRP 50) makes it dubious that he can reliably HQ. Possible explanation: he buys or makes HQ sub-ingredients (with half a quality bar, even a monkey could HQ a synthesis).

Yes it would have made more sense to sell the sub-ingredients directly on the market (prevailing price is 30-35k each). Not everyone realizes this.

With the examples you've given, the pricing is fair. No one cares about pricing on NQ because NQ is practically worthless. Gryphon boots and pants cost <300k to make, so 555k is an OK price. The only exception is the Vanya pants. Here's another explanation: a [stupid] mistake.

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Originally Posted by YuriRamona

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So, he's so stupid that he sells items for a significant loss when there's no other listings (but a rich history of the items selling for more), but he's so smart that he's HQing them with bare-bone gear and skills and is finding someway besides the Auction House or MD shouting to get the mats required to post dozens of 2-star items at the same time? This makes sense?


Well, regardless, all of the items poofed off the AH last night, so it looks like SE took care of him. Amazing how many defenders this ended up with, though.

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Originally Posted by Rainsford

So, he's so stupid that he sells items for a significant loss when there's no other listings (but a rich history of the items selling for more), but he's so smart that he's HQing them with bare-bone gear and skills and is finding someway besides the Auction House or MD shouting to get the mats required to post dozens of 2-star items at the same time? This makes sense?


Well, regardless, all of the items poofed off the AH last night, so it looks like SE took care of him. Amazing how many defenders this ended up with, though.

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Yes I noticed it as well (I'm on Diabolos). I'm not defending his actions, I'm just saying that we need to have solid (if not irrefutable) proof that someone is acting illegitimately before we we suggest that they are indeed violating terms. And being able to discuss and debate reasons for and against is part of that process of understanding.